Gun Control

[Olmectron]

You don't have to support the laws since you aren't a citizen of this country. I'm not worried about that but what I am worried about are people with your mentality to try to make them harder to buy. I'll be honest because most people won't say it but most shootings are done by minorities and most of the people who did the school shootings were Jewish. That's just factual.

We will defend ourselves the best we can and figure that out if the time ever comes.

Alright. I hope everything improves then. Let's hope the world doesn't shoot itself soon.

I wish you the best. I really do.

 

[PanTheFaun]

Alright. I hope everything improves then. Let's hope the world doesn't shoot itself soon.

I wish you the best. I really do.

Thanks. I appreciate it. c:

 

[lAkdaOpeKA]

Since usually when a mass shooting happens in the U.S. there’s usually a debate whether we should completely ban guns or how much restrictions there should be. So, I wanted to create this section to mainly focus on guns and have people debate this out. And bring some information I found. Should guns be banned? Or should guns be available and we should instead focus on having better restrictions and focus on people's mental health?

Gun control should not be an idealogical debate, it should be an empirical one. And the empirical question should be, does gun control increase or reduce violence.

• In England murder rates rose after gun restrictions. And in England robbery and burglary surpassed the United States. Britains burglary rate is almost twice as high as the U.S.

• 40% of burglaries in Britain, Canada, and the Netherlands is when the home is occupied. In the United States its only 13%. All three of the latter countries have lower gun ownership.

• Murder rates went up in England under severe gun control, while murder rates went down as more and more states in the U.S. allowed people to carry concealed weapons.

• Most guns used to murder were not legally purchased in England.

• After a school massacre, U.K. banned hand guns in 1998. A decade after hand gun crimes doubled.

• After Atlanta Suburbs of Kennesaw passed a law requiring heads of households to keep firearms in their homes burglaries dropped 89%.

• In 1954 in London there was a dozen armed robberies. By 1990’s it increased to 100 times as many.

• Switzerland has lower murder rates then Germany, but gun ownership with Swiss is 3 times higher. Israel, New Zealand, Finland all have high rates of gun ownership but low murder rates.

• In the United States, rural areas have higher rates of gun ownership and lower rates of murder. Whites have higher rates of gun ownership then Blacks but lower rates of murder. For the entire United States had hand gun ownership doubled in the late 20th century but overall murder rates went down.

Gun availability and it's deterrence of violent crime does not enter statistics because the crime never happens. But there are areas where guns becomes more available and crime rates drop. And while people compare homicide rates and gun ownership with United States and England, people make their case that high gun ownership is bad by ignoring all the other countries that have high rates of gun ownership and lower rates of crime.

Spoiler: United States and England Historical Comparisons

United States always had a history of higher murder rates then England because of culture. So it has nothing to do with having or not having guns laws. New York has had a murder rate that was 5 times of London for two centuries. And for most of these two centuries neither of the two cities had gun control laws.

In 1911 New York made very strict gun control laws, but still had a higher murder rate than London during a time when guns were freely allowed in London. Gun control in England didn’t happen till a decade after New York restricted guns.

Making comparisons that England has a lower murder rate then the U.S. today and say it's because of gun control is not a fair example because U.S. always had higher homicides rates even when both countries had guns widely available. And after gun bans an increase in crime in England happened.

Spoiler: Incarceration

In U.S. legal changes reduced the fact the people committing a crime will go to jail. After this change crime skyrocketed. In 1974 it was twice as high then in 1961. From 1960 to 1976 people becoming victims of a violent crime tippled. Crime peaked in 1980’s then went down as incarceration went up.

Same happened in Australia from 1964 to 1999. Crime went up as incarceration went down. And Crime went down as incarceration went up. Graphs for England, Wales, United State and New Zealand are also the same. Crime peaked in England and Wales in the 1990’s then went down when incarceration went up.

People that criticize U.S. incarceration rates need to take this into account. Gun restrictions plus low and lax criminal incarceration rates creates a disaster.

Spoiler: Videos

Video about the history of the 2nd amendment and crime rates rising in England after gun control


John Stossel video about guns and violence

Spoiler: Sources

Guns and Violence by Joyce Lee Malcom
The Thomas Sowell Reader by Thomas Sowell
Two Cautionary Tales of Gun Control

It's.. interesting how specific your arguments are, and how you're not taking in consideration more "generic" statistics

 

[Attacker3]

It's.. interesting how specific your arguments are, and how you're not taking in consideration more "generic" statistics

The issue with generic statistics is that you can say stuff like "US has the highest gun death rate" and refer to suicides as well as murders.

Anyways my opinion on guns is that the USA would've never happened with such large regulations on them, same with the French Revolution. The Enlightenment caused people to get angry at how they were treated, and they took up arms and threw out the dumb monarchs who decided to mess with them. Banning guns is one of the most anti-American and anti-freedom things I can think of, because you're essentially saying that you are not allowed to take up arms against the monarchs, or in this case, the bloated and unconstitutional federal government of the USA or Canada.

Also by banning guns you're saying that the average person can't be trusted with a weapon, and that we need to end up trusting the police, the same people who are accused of racial profiling and all that other good stuff. The average person is not bad, and if you ban guns, the bad people will end up either buy their guns illegally or make them themselves, which is more common in places like the Philippines where guns aren't so common.

3D printed guns will usher in a new era of freedom, and the only way the "monarchs" will be able to stop it is if they slow down the flow of information even more, which in this information based world, will cause catastrophic consequences.

 

[KingVamp]

Most people here seems to be asking/hoping for better regulations, not the banning of guns.

As for 3D printed guns, as if they wouldn't arrest people for having illegal guns.

 

[PanTheFaun]

Most people here seems to be asking/hoping for better regulations, not the banning of guns.

As for 3D printed guns, as if they wouldn't arrest people for having illegal guns.

But these regulations could make it to the point where it would be very hard for the everyday citizen to buy a gun, like in New York. No thanks.

People who do things illegally don't care about the law and the 3D printed guns could be a way for the innocent to defend themselves against it.

 

[brickmii82]

Im pro-2nd Amendment. Similar to my argument with you about regulations in the banking industry, I wholeheartedly believe the problem simply comes down to people being garbage. What hasn't been turned into a tool for murder by mankind? That's the first thing our species does with innovative technology, find out how to kill with it. But now the gun is the problem?

 

[Smoker1]

Look at Chicago. Think they have strict Gun Laws like California, but they have so many Shootings........but you never hear about it. LOL
Always, after a Shooting, there are idiots thinking there need to be MORE Laws. They seriously think a Criminal, WITH A RECORD, can magically Pass a Background Check. Dianne Feinstein actually thinks that if everyone turned in their Weapons, Criminals will follow. LMFAO. Also, she thinks Vets who have been Diagnosed with PTSD should be prevented from Owning or even Applying for a Weapon.

 

[PanTheFaun]

Look at Chicago. Think they have strict Gun Laws like California, but they have so many Shootings........but you never hear about it. LOL
Always, after a Shooting, there are idiots thinking there need to be MORE Laws. They seriously think a Criminal, WITH A RECORD, can magically Pass a Background Check. Dianne Feinstein actually thinks that if everyone turned in their Weapons, Criminals will follow. LMFAO. Also, she thinks Vets who have been Diagnosed with PTSD should be prevented from Owning or even Applying for a Weapon.

Look at her name and you will find the answer. c:

 

[brickmii82]

Look at her name and you will find the answer. c:

Are you implying/promoting anti-Semitism?

 

[PanTheFaun]

Are you implying/promoting anti-Semitism?

Haha I am implying that most Jews tend to have a very strong anti gun and pro immigration stance in this country while promoting the complete opposite in Israel. c:

 

[Ericthegreat]

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Many if not all schools already skip important topics, another thing is your post seems to maybe, I might be wrong, say that higher education = better jobs = less violence, to an extent I will agree for SOME people, but it's pretty much been proven some people are just mentally unstable and violent. Instead of philosophy why not force kids to take more STEM classes.... I don't know about now, but about 10 years ago many kids could graduate just by taking minimal math/science, and just doing art classes, not saying you shouldn't aspire to be a actor or artist(graphic design is a real job but you gotta know how to use a computer still, and programs like Maya/3dsmax need some math/programming skills to be proficient), but have a backup, it should be considered the same like sports, you shouldn't think 100% your going to get into the NBA/NFL....

Now as far as my thoughts on gun control? Just tell me before they ban guns so I can buy a AR-15 before theyer illegal

 

[brickmii82]

Haha I am implying that Jews tend to have a very strong anti gun and pro immigration stance in this country while it's the complete opposite in Israel. c:

I personally find most Jewish communities to be quite closed off from outsiders. They typically gentrified their neighborhoods and created a familiar atmosphere similar to the Irish, Italian, and especially oriental neighborhood patterns. They are very anti-immigration. Most I know are indifferent to gun control laws. I'd say a few even qualify as heavy conservative. I suppose it's different depending on where you are though. You can't really put people in a box based on their ethnic background imo.

 

[PanTheFaun]

I personally find most Jewish communities to be quite closed off from outsiders. They typically gentrified their neighborhoods and created a familiar atmosphere similar to the Irish, Italian, and especially oriental neighborhood patterns. They are very anti-immigration. Most I know are indifferent to gun control laws. I'd say a few even qualify as heavy conservative. I suppose it's different depending on where you are though. You can't really put people in a box based on their ethnic background imo.

There's a reason that certain stereotypes exist. Just to let you know... the whole accusing me of antisemitism thing doesn't scare me. I tell it like it is no matter what race a person may be, including my own.

 

[brickmii82]

There's a reason that certain stereotypes exist. Just to let you know... the whole accusing me of antisemitism thing doesn't scare me. I tell it like it is no matter what race a person may be, including my own.

I simply asked if that was what your implication/intent was. I never accused you. I asked for clarification precisely to avoid it actually. And yes, most stereotypes have roots in common observations. That doesn’t mean that they reflect an entire ethnic/racial background though. There are broke Jews, Blacks that hate chicken, and Whites with great rhythm and soul.

 

[PanTheFaun]

I simply asked if that was what your implication/intent was. I never accused you. I asked for clarification precisely to avoid it actually. And yes, most stereotypes have roots in common observations. That doesn’t mean that they reflect an entire ethnic/racial background though. There are broke Jews, Blacks that hate chicken, and Whites with great rhythm and soul.

Bravo. The majority is what matters in these types of cases. Of course there are some who differ but that is usually slim in my observations.

 

[brickmii82]

Bravo. The majority is what matters in these types of cases. Of course there are some who differ but that is usually slim in my observations.

I hate being judged slightly more than judging others. But if I do, I’d prefer it to be a case by case basis. For example, not all Trump supporters are “white supremacist neo-Nazis” just like not all Sanders supporters were “Uber Socialist college soyboy jobless losers.” At the end of the day I think we all just want to be a little happier in this madness.

 

[PanTheFaun]

I hate being judged slightly more than judging others. But if I do, I’d prefer it to be a case by case basis. For example, not all Trump supporters are “white supremacist neo-Nazis” just like not all Sanders supporters were “Uber Socialist college soyboy jobless losers.” At the end of the day I think we all just want to be a little happier in this madness.

I'm just a white guy who loves guns, loves freedom, loves his country, loves the countryside, and loves his people. I would use my guns to defend myself, my family, my friends, and innocent people from danger if need be.

 

[Smoker1]

Everyone has the Right to be able to Defend themselves. Not to mention, only the Police, Military and Gov Agents only having access to Weapons........yeah......Germany, all over again. The reason why it is in the Constitution, is to prevent the Government from abusing their Authority and Power over the People........who are supposed to be the ones running our Country and be represented. Also, if ever a Invading Force showed up, the People can Defend the Nation along side the Military, instead of the Military getting swamped.

 

[KingVamp]

But these regulations could make it to the point where it would be very hard for the everyday citizen to buy a gun, like in New York. No thanks.

People who do things illegally don't care about the law and the 3D printed guns could be a way for the innocent to defend themselves against it.

Idk about NY, but that doesn't mean other places don't need better regulations.

Doesn't stop the law from being enforced. Ill intentions or no, you will still be arrested for illegal guns or gun ownership. In that case, it just better to get a gun legally.