Net Neutrality: what it is, and why you should care

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UPDATE: It's been voted for repeal. The FCC took Net Neutrality to a vote, and it was 3-2, in favor of repeal. This doesn't mean overnight upheaval, but things will certainly change, for better or worse, in due time.
If you've been on the internet at all the past week, there's a high chance that you've heard of something called "Net Neutrality", and you've also likely heard that there might be huge changes to your usage of the internet entirely. This post serves as a quick information briefing on what Net Neutrality is, what could happen if it's repealed, and the current events going on regarding it, and just general visibility to let the community in general be informed.

What is this Net Neutrality thing?


The basic definition of network neutrality is simple: all internet traffic is considered and treated equally. It was established just a bit under three years ago, in February 2015. It prevented companies like Comcast Xfinity and AT&T U-verse from speeding up, or slowing down certain sites based upon content. If you remember, back in July 2017, mobile provider Verizon admitted to targeting Netflix traffic, and specifically throttling it, negatively affecting customers' use of Netflix. Going back to 2014, there were also issues with Comcast customers, and, that's right, Netflix users, as connections to Netflix were notoriously slow. Netflix then entered a legal deal with Comcast, in order to have Netflix connections be faster than they previously were. The 2014 incident was pre-net neutrality, and shows that before the law was enacted, certain sites like Netflix were indeed slowed, and had to specifically bargain with large telecommunication monopolies like Comcast to get fair speeds out to their customers.

In April 2017, the chairman of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), Ajit Pai, revealed that he had plans to repeal net neutrality. It's worth noting that Pai was once the Associate General Counsel of Verizon Communications, an incredibly high up position with an ISP, who we've stated before as having throttled websites in the past.

Pai's statements on the matter included saying such things as "[the government] would be able to stop micromanaging the internet" and that the FCC and internet service providers would simply have to be "transparent about their practices so that consumers can buy a service plan that's best for them". Shortly after, Comcast began vocally supporting these statements, claiming that government regulation of the internet has been harming innovation and investments of Comcast. David Cohen, the company's Chief Diversity Officer, said that "customers would be clearly informed on our practices [...] Comcast maintains that it does and will not block, throttle, or discriminate against lawful content".

Within the movement for repealing net neutrality, also comes with power being given to the Federal Trade Commission. The FTC would then have the ability to legally charge internet service providers that were not made clear to customers.

You may notice, that within any of the claims made by Pai or Comcast, that equal traffic was never made the focus, instead putting emphasis on making sure these monopolies must be clear and transparent about what they do, but never laying down any solid rules about what they need to be transparent about or why. And, of course, if the FTC were to go after AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, Time Warner, or other assorted companies for not being transparent, these legal cases would find themselves taking years to make their way to court, allowing for them to have their way with their customers until a definitive legal ruling. Therein lies the first batch of unease and controversy with the repeal.

In short, net neutrality is a fairly new regulation, which allows for equal traffic between all sites while using the internet. The chairman of the FCC and former higher-up of Verizon wants to repeal it, however. This would allow less government interference with ISPs, but would also allow those ISPs to do what they wish, so long as they're "transparent".

Does repealing Net Neutrality have any benefits?

Spoiler alert: not really

From the inception of the internet, and up until 2015, Americans have gone without net neutrality. Ajit Pai claims that should we not have net neutrality anymore, more rural areas would be able to have more companies and providers, and it would allow for more competition and choice for the consumer. However, these smaller companies would also have to fight it out with established services, with years of experience and infrastructure refinements.

As a side note, I've spent thirty minutes researching a potential "pro" argument. I've not found many that seem reasonable. I've listed in the spoiler tag below arguments from other websites and blogs.

Green Garage Blog: While net neutrality allows for freedom of speech, the downside is that almost anything can be posted to the internet. This means that the cruelest or insensitive information imaginable can end up on the internet, and as a result, it can cause a lot of problems from people that otherwise wouldn’t be prone to being under the microscope of criticism. This means that people can post cruel, intimidating, or other harassing messages and often get away with it thanks to free speech legislation. So it can be a very toxic environment for a lot of people to put up with.

Vittana: Reduced income from internet uses limits infrastructure improvements.
There are certain businesses and high-use individuals who consume large amounts of bandwidth every month. If net neutrality was removed, these high-level consumers would be asked to pay more for what they consume. This added income could then be used to upgrade the infrastructure of each internet service provider, making it possible for advanced fiber networks to be installed in many communities.

AEI: But in many instances, fast lanes, zero-rating, and the like benefit customers. In separate research, both former FCC Chief Economist Michael Katz (with Ben Hermalin) and I (with Janice Hauge) showed that fast lanes benefit small content providers in their attempts to compete with established industry leaders. AEI scholar Roslyn Layton has shown that elderly and low-income consumers benefit from zero-rating services.

Basically, the only benefit would be if America's current economy wasn't dominated by monopolistic ISPs. Below is an interview with Ajit Pai, showing his perspective.


Scrapping these rules, Pai told Reason's Nick Gillespie, won't harm consumers or the public interest because there was no reason for them in the first place. The rationales were mere "phantoms that were conjured up by people who wanted the FCC for political reasons to overregulate the internet," Pai told Gillespie. "We were not living in a digital dystopia in the years leading up to 2015."

If left in place, however, the Title II rules could harm the commercial internet, which Pai described as "one of the most incredible free market innovations in history."

"Companies like Google and Facebook and Netflix became household names precisely because we didn't have the government micromanaging how the internet would operate," said Pai, who noted that the Clinton-era decision not to regulate the Internet like a phone utility or a broadcast network was one of the most important factors in the rise of our new economy.

Pai also pushed back against claims that he's a right-wing radical who's "fucking things up."

"[I ascribe to] the very radical, right-wing position that the Clinton administration basically got it right when it came to digital infrastructure."


What happens if/when this gets repealed, and what does this mean for you?


The worst part of this, is that there's no definitive answer of what WILL happen, only what CAN happen. What has people concerned, though, is the potential things that larger ISPs can do with this new power, should net neutrality be repealed. Internet service providers could slow access to specific sites, and speed up others, in theory, others specifically being sites who pay ISPs for faster access, and those partnered or in contracts with ISPs. Websites like Google, Amazon, Reddit, Etsy, Netflix, and many more have all broadcast their support of net neutrality, stating that without these rules in place thanks to net neutrality, internet providers would become gatekeepers to the internet, restricting what customers can see. Without definitive government restrictions, these companies could be free to split access to the internet into packages, like cable TV, indeed making true on the intention of lowering the cost of internet access, but also making it more difficult and expensive to see all of the internet, as you can right now.

Likely, what will happen, though everything is up in the air, is that certain ISPs will utilize what's called "fast lanes" and "zero rating". Fast lanes are sort of like what we talked about at the start, with Netflix and Comcast. Currently, these fast lanes and zero rating are used with mobile phone data. AT&T customers can watch DirecTV (owned by AT&T) via their mobile data, without it counting towards their monthly cap. These rules could be applied to home internet as well; if you're a Comcast user, and you want to watch Hulu (owned by NBC-Universal-Comcast), maybe your connection to Hulu will be lightning fast, thanks to these theoretical fast lanes, and they won't go towards your Comcast monthly 1 Terabyte home cap. But what if you want to watch Netflix? Either Netflix will have much lower picture quality, or take a longer time to connect to. And if Netflix pays a fee, or gets into a contract once again with Comcast, then that potentially means that Netflix's increased costs move down to the consumer, who also now has to pay more for a service as well.

What can we do?


The only thing left to do is let your voice be heard. Social media has exploded without people decrying the impending repeal of net neutrality, and the negatives that it would entail, to the point of where the majority of Reddit has been plastered with net neutrality posts.

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The FCC will take the repeal to a vote on December 14, 2017. It is highly predicted that the repeal will pass, and net neutrality will come to an end. Millions have taken to the site "battleforthenet" and "callmycongress" to contact their local representatives and congressmen in order to show that American citizens don't want net neutrality destroyed.

You can learn more at the links below. Hopefully this is helpful in describing what net neutrality is, and why it shouldn't be taken away.

:arrow:Techcrunch: These are the arguments against net neutrality and why they're wrong

:arrow: Extra Credits: What a closed internet means

:arrow:Phillip DeFranco: The Internet is under attack

:arrow:Save the internet: What you need to know


:arrow:Ars Technica: RIP net neutrality
 

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I think a huge help to this cause would be to reach out to influential Youtubers who have massive communities behind them to talk about Net Neutrality. Even if they themselves aren't directly involved with the issues net neutrality is facing, nor a chunk of their audience, it would most definitely help spread the word and educate those who otherwise have no idea and can make a direct difference. Markiplier's one such youtuber who has already taken action:

 
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Is this something like in 2012 with the SOPA thing?
I believe that all our efforts would be in bane.
I don't know, but this seems suspicious.
Think about it:
- Some organizations wants to privatize the Internet in order to grant the customer more options.

- At the same time, "normal" organizations don't want to support this as this could lead to their sites and services being almost useless, UNLESS you pay for more speed/services. Like paid TV.

Isn't that the whole intention from both sides?

- Make you pay in order to maintain your Internet service as you know it.

God damn, what a time to be alive. We're fucking going backwards.
Do you remember when you had to buy TIME to get to the Internet? Way back when we had to dial in and connect our PC's to our phone lines.

This is basically what they're trying to do, only modernized.
 
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Ajit Pai may be the chairman of the Fcc but he is not the only one controlling the decision. From what I have read, a majority vote between the chairman and the 4 commissioners of the fcc are needed to repeal net neutrality, but it looks like at the moment the outlook is 3-2 in favor of repealing it. If convincing Pai is impossible then we should try convincing one of the other 2 commissioners who are against net neutrality.

Against net neutrality: Ajit Pai, Michael O'Rielly, Brendan Carr

For net neutrality: Mignon Clyburn, Jessica Rosenworcel
 
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This is all happening because of corporate greed for profit. When there's money to be made, everything else goes out the window
 
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People think that the wealthy sits in chairs all day with evil grins, evil mustaches, coming up with plans to terrorize people. And that they profit and live happy lives taking advantage of people.
I have always been fighting against this disgusting cliché. In some left people's minds, being rich should be forbidden, and bosses are evil monsters, the 1% should be sent to jail, etc. I wouldn't want to live in such a society.
Anyways, I love the absence of Net Neutrality in France, it allows me to choose a data plan with unlimited e-mail or facebook without it consuming my data. I love it.
So enjoy your "speed increases with price" and other "Pay $100 for a decent home data plan" while I enjoy not 5, not 20, but 200 GB of LTE-A for 20 bucks, and even special Infinity GB plans for black friday. And while I enjoy Triple-play with unlimlited phone calls, 300 TV channels and up to 1 Gbps for less than 60 bucks a month.

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Im pretty sure there are people that do abuse their power as they always have. When you look at statistics you see that males pay more taxes then women, yet its women, despite paying less taxes, take more out of governmental social programs. Women control more than half of the US gdp yet don't even producing half of it. So the majority of top executives are male right. If so, then why do women control the majority of US wealth? Executives do things to benefit themselves, which are male right? So why is it women benefiting the wealth? It puts into question how much power top execs, the majority being male, actually have and if they are being corrupt to benefit themselves.
Perhaps because there are slightly more women than men in a given population...?
And women are paid slightly less for the same job, don't forget that.
 

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I have always been fighting against this disgusting cliché. In some left people's minds, being rich should be forbidden, and bosses are evil monsters, the 1% should be sent to jail, etc. I wouldn't want to live in such a society.
Anyways, I love the absence of Net Neutrality in France, it allows me to choose a data plan with unlimited e-mail or facebook without it consuming my data. I love it.
So enjoy your "speed increases with price" and other "Pay $100 for a decent home data plan" while I enjoy not 5, not 20, but 200 GB of LTE-A for 20 bucks, and even special Infinity GB plans for black friday. And while I enjoy Triple-play with unlimlited phone calls, 300 TV channels and up to 1 Gbps for less than 60 bucks a month.

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Perhaps because there are slightly more women than men in a given population...?
And women are paid slightly less for the same job, don't forget that.

Just out of curiosity, (don't want to start a debate or anything), are there more than 1 isp's in your area?

If there are then you might have gotten a "cheap" deal with good data incentives to get you to buy from them instead of the competition. Just my opinion anyway.

Do you think if Net neutrality gets repealed on the U.S were most states have possibly only one or two providers in their areas, have competitive incentives from the internet providers or would price it for the price of their choosing?

I also do believe that rich people just being villains are cliché, but some have shown that they will go for their own greed. Again I just want to hear your opinion.
 

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Not the person you replied to but:
Do you think if Net neutrality gets repealed on the U.S were most states have possibly only one or two providers in their areas, have competitive incentives from the internet providers or would price it for the price of their choosing?
There won't be any increase in ISPs despite what the people pushing to repeal net neutrality are claiming. The reason there aren't very many is because they don't have the resources to compete with the big ISPs who have a monopoly. They don't have the resources to give you the same speed and reliability for the same amount of or less money.
I also do believe that rich people just being villains are cliché, but some have shown that they will go for their own greed. Again I just want to hear your opinion.
Corporate greed is a real issue. I'm not saying it's as widespread as people think, but it's the driving force here. Verizon and other ISPs want net neutrality repealed so they can throttle certain data traffic to get extra money from the websites or from the consumer. It's a fact that Netflix data was throttled in the US by some big ISPs before net neutrality and Netflix had to make a deal with one of the big ISPs to get an uncapped speed. There is no real downside to having net neutrality.
 

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Not the person you replied to but:

There won't be any increase in ISPs despite what the people pushing to repeal net neutrality are claiming. The reason there aren't very many is because they don't have the resources to compete with the big ISPs who have a monopoly. They don't have the resources to give you the same speed and reliability for the same amount of or less money.
Pretty much already figured that, google apparently tried to have their fiber internet in some states but got into a law suit against at&t for using some of the power poles they have a contract with. They claim they didn't want 'untrained' google to potentially mess up on the wires and cause disturbances to the utilities, which would be a problem, even though google themselves were backed by state ordinances. If the power poles are controlled by companies, I believe the other option for starting up a new service provider is by installing new poles themselves which would require a lot of money and structural planning to implement.

Edit: Earlier this month, google won their lawsuit in Louisville and a One Touch Make Ready system was implemented on the poles which allows ISP's to make their necessary adjustments on them. With this, upcoming Isp's don't need to wait for permissions from other providers like at&t to use and adjust the poles. Unfortunately now charter is trying to sue over this One Touch Make Ready system. Hopefully this system does spread to other states and help end the internet oligopoly.

Edit 2: unfortunately google fiber seemed to have paused on their planned advancement, have canceled on some waiting customers, and have cut their staff by 9%. Before the lawsuit was decided.
 
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Just out of curiosity, (don't want to start a debate or anything), are there more than 1 isp's in your area?

If there are then you might have gotten a "cheap" deal with good data incentives to get you to buy from them instead of the competition. Just my opinion anyway.

Do you think if Net neutrality gets repealed on the U.S were most states have possibly only one or two providers in their areas, have competitive incentives from the internet providers or would price it for the price of their choosing?

I also do believe that rich people just being villains are cliché, but some have shown that they will go for their own greed. Again I just want to hear your opinion.
The price my house is paying for triple-play is the general, unaltered price. I have access to 4 ISPs that can provide decent speed via ADSL (around 15 Mbps), and two that provide good speeds, Numericable-SFR via FTTLA, 100 Mbps (that's the one I have), and Orange via FTTH, 500 Mbps. But again, I really do not see why would companies purposefully be extreme and divide the Internet in paid parts. Companies are not dumb, they know people are going to protest, and they know that that kind of behavior would only work if every single ISP in the country did the same job. But that would be illegal, as companies cannot decide to make secret deals to annoy the consumer. Plus, free market would automatically lead to an ISP, or even a new one, to fuck all of the others by proposing cheaper/better quality services.
About the rich thing, yeah, some rich people are definitely douchebags, but it is not a majority of them. In companies for example, you'll always have that one shitbag boss who abusively fires his employees, but you'll also have that one shitbag employee who abuses any process to sue his boss, or get more holiday for example. I'm not against taxing the rich, but I'm also for being able to earn money and possess it.

-sniparoo-
 
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My take on Net Neutrality is that it can stifle infrastructure growth as it ends up like other public utilities where people use the service a lot and for a price cheap enough that the money is never there to upgrade it so it stays the same until it starts failing, like the power grid and the water grid.

The U.S. has a pretty low average internet speed per household than other countries and not having the money from the people using the bandwidth in the first place to accommodate their usage does nothing for improving the infrastructure. I for one find it sad that many other countries, even some 3rd world countries have a cheaper and faster connection than the average U.S. household has.

Obviously, I am not for companies doing a bunch of packages like cable but as long as customers hold their ground and not let the companies do that then they will be fine. The number one way to change things is to boycott. Look at the Xbox One, it is a completely different console because of feedback and boycotting.

Boycotting has been a proven method of change as long as people stand their ground, which people have failed to do before.

I don't want to see the internet continue to become more like the power grid with it's failing 50+ year old infrastructure and the even older water grid with pipes exploding and low water pressure problems from not maintaining it due to it not making much money alongside being a public utility, which when money is shifted around, public utilities (and schools) are the first to be shafted.
 

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It's really saddening to see this horrible corruption in our government. Sacrificing people's rights and taking away equality on the internet over a few extra bucks for big corporations? Repealing Net Neutrality will hurt consumers and certain businesses alike, and will only help monstrously large ISP companies get richer. They plan to take it away after so many have voiced their opinions against them doing so, a huge shame and leaves me with disgust that they can go ahead with this proposal.
 

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Essentially, if this passes, the Internet will become like cable nowadays. Stuffed to the brim with ads and access only to what the cable plan specifically adds.
 

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Could we maybe get a poll in this thread, with a yes/no answer to "do you support the FCC's repeal of net neutrality?"

There isn't really a need for this, I just thought it'd be interesting to see where we stand numerically.
 

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