Right wingers proven to die more than Democrats due to the anti vaxx movement

[Deleted member 586536]

You're obsessed with Democrats vs Republicans.

I guess the study is too then

 

[Deleted member 114266]

I know that it's hard to check sources within a pdf file. But you can do it. Check page 11.Because they tell you where they got their data from, and the methodology. They even intend on releasing the parts of data set they created which derived from those sources.

Again, did you read the data yourself? Point me to how I can actually pull relevant data if you can because I do want to look at it.

I can see the pretty charts, but it doesn't let you get the raw data from them. There are several CSV files, but one is just total deaths by age group per week, while the other lists excessive deaths related to COVID this is by week, but doesn't break down by age.

The study you linked took separate pieces of data describing different groups and averaged them out to create their narrative.

For a proper study, you'd need a count of deaths by age group over time where the stated cause was COVID, along with the vaccination status. Political affiliation would be great, but I'd be extremely surprised if that data was available.

Without that data, it's just like every other study in existence, lies, damn lies, or statistics.

 

[AkikoKumagara]

Covid jab has lowered the average IQ by 20 points
https://vernoncoleman.org/articles/i-reckon-covid-jab-has-lowered-average-iq-20-points

You don't actually believe this drivel, do you?
Also, IQ itself is a flawed measurement of intelligence.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

Again, did you read the data yourself? Point me to how I can actually pull relevant data if you can because I do want to look at it.

I can see the pretty charts, but it doesn't let you get the raw data from them. There are several CSV files, but one is just total deaths by age group per week, while the other lists excessive deaths related to COVID this is by week, but doesn't break down by age.

How many more directions do I need to give you. Are unable to read or something?
Tl;dr
A. your going to have to contact Datavant for the mortality data.
B. you need request access for Florida voter file along with the Ohio one.
C. and then the CDC one (Which I know that's the one your complaining about)

You use the Datavant data, which provides just enough information to match it with the Florida and or Ohio files. There's your who's voting who part.
And because we're talking death records, that's also provided. So we know the cause of death.
You then use the CDC information for vaccination rates. Which goes by county.

So you know where the person died (the county) the vaccination rate from the cdc. And the voting record. You then compile all that information.

All of this is listed in the paper. Had you read it, again, you would of known the methodology, and the resources used.

As a sidenote

So no, an article that just claims something without being able to back it up doesn't help your argument.

You've been kicking and screaming the whole way through this. So I'd really appreciate if you try to avoid strawmans. It be awesome. Since three times now you've made an argument with nothing to back it up, or worse, outright proven wrong.

Again, did you read the data yourself? Point me to how I can actually pull relevant data if you can because I do want to look at it.

Not your original argument.
I'm also not going to go sift through a metric fuck ton of data for someone who can't seem to do something without someone babying them through the entire process. Not your babysitter.
Considering that 3 of the 4 sources are from the government, it would be pretty damn hard to fuck up the data. Technically 4 out of 4, since Datavant, checks with the master death file provided from the social security administration.

 

[Deleted member 114266]

How many more directions do I need to give you. Are unable to read or something?
Tl;dr
A. your going to have to contact Datavant for the mortality data.
B. you need request access for Florida voter file along with the Ohio one.
C. and then the CDC one (Which I know that's the one your complaining about)


Not your original argument.
I'm also not going to go sift through a metric fuck ton of data for someone who can't seem to do something without someone babying them through the entire process. Not your babysitter.
Considering that 3 of the 4 sources are from the government, it would be pretty damn hard to fuck up the data. Technically 4 out of 4, since Datavant, checks with the master death file.

The available data the study is citing doesn't allow for the claims they are making. And you listed alternative sources where you could get that data some of which might require submitting FOIA requests.

Furthermore, this study only covers excess deaths, not specifically Covid deaths. Get hit by a car? You're in this data. Heat attack? Yep.

Of other Covid data I've seen the majority of deaths have been in the 85+ range, followed by 75-84, and finally 65-74, where it falls off very sharpy. Older people were also more likely to get vaccinated regardless of political affiliation. This is why having the vaccinated status of Covid deaths would be very helpful to have.

The variation being seen could be due to social economic factors like in Flordia where people voting Democrat generally live in larger cities with better access to health care. Having the study look at this prior to 2020 could reveal that as even in their charts 2018 had period of excess deaths that were greater than expected.

 

[omgcat]

The mistake was ever calling them "vaccines." A true vaccination imputes immunity. The Covid "vaccines" were more like flu shots. Should've been called such, and treated as such.

you realize the flu shots are vaccines right? https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/flushot.htm

What is a flu vaccine?​

Influenza (flu) vaccines (often called “flu shots”) are vaccines that protect against the four influenza viruses that research indicates will be most common during the upcoming season. Most flu vaccines are “flu shots” given with a needle, usually in the arm, but there also is a nasal spray flu vaccine.

PLEASE at least do a little research before making a statement that can be googled as false in less than 10 seconds. most vaccines do not prevent infection, but reduce symptoms to a manageable, non-lethal level. there are plenty of diseases where the vaccine doesn't 100% prevent infection. for example TDAP can reduce your symptoms of whooping cough, but won't guarantee prevention of an infection.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

The available data the study is citing doesn't allow for the claims they are making. And you listed alternative sources where you could get that data some of which might require submitting FOIA requests.

let me hold on, just gotta screenshot for something for effect:

let me just repeat the process one more time:

Ahem...

please tell me again that you did read this paper and turned to page 11 (of the pdf file). Because they aint alternative sources.
THEY ARE THE SOURCES


So you opened the link, looked at the pdf, went as fast as possible to click any link you could find for data, and then didn't bother reading the damn paper, and then cry that I point to you, the sources of information, that came from the paper
That they are somehow "alternative" when I point them out to you.
You've become the entire circus!

 

[Hanafuda]

you realize the flu shots are vaccines right?

Not in the common man's vernacular. You're technically correct of course, but only medical personnel or textbooks would've chosen such word usage prior to Covid. To everyone else on the street, it's a "flu shot." Vaccinations are for polio, smallpox, rubella, rabies, tuberculosis. The public relations people involved in selling the Covid "vaccinations" should've thought about that before pushing it on the public as a "vaccine." There would've been a lot less resistance with the blue collar hoi polloi if they'd just called it the "Covid shot."

I did get the Covid shots, btw.

 

[KitChan]

That's cos antifa keeps attacking them and they also can't buy basic necessities due to banks cancelling them.

 

[City]

They died for covid a lot more because in leftists states people tend to die younger due to getting shot by gangs lmao

 

[LainaGabranth]

Color me surprised: Not getting a vaccine against something makes you susceptible to the thing you're not vaccinated against. Shocking.

 

[Taleweaver]

I object to the title of this thread. It implies that democrats somehow aren't rightwing politicians. Just because there's a "news station" and a blonde former presidents droning exaggerations on them ("they're 0.1 inch less rightwing than us so omfg extreme leftwing fundamentalist socialism!!! ") doesn't change their stance much.

But ey... If we leave that argument a bit, the discussion's already quite heated enough. Yes, it's political drama. And it's actually quite a good point that democrats are young and physically fit whereas Republicans are retired unhealthy folk, so I'm not sure the whole antivaccination hoax has such a drastic effect.

But it doesn't change the fact that the political landscape has changed. Republicans already had issues winning elections based on actual votes...can they even recover from losing so many votes?

 

[omgcat]

Republicans already had issues winning elections based on actual votes...can they even recover from losing so many votes?

yup, gerrymandering, arbitrary signature match enforcement, violent poll watchers, arbitrary vote roll purges, closing down drop boxes in specific area's (such as removing them from colleges or limiting the number of boxes per county) and finally sending an independent slate of electors if that one supreme court case goes in favor of the republicans.

 

[The Catboy]

Wow, anti-vacs are dying at a higher rate

 

[Viri]

Still not getting the jab.