Scotus Rules against trump to keep financial records secret

[chrisrlink]

well it seems the shit has hit the fan for trump since he is no longer el presidente (Tropico joke there) seems the wheels of justice will finally start turning today Scotus ruled against trump to keep his financial records out of the hands of various prosecutors aiming to take swings at trump he may have beat the political impeachment system though i doubt he'll beat the legal one (He will delay no doubt in hopes that they will lose intrest in him though I'm pretty sure those prosecutors will have some ways to prevent a long drawn out legal battle

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/22/politics/supreme-court-trump-taxes-vance/index.html

also as a reminder of the other court cases impacted by this besides the hush money payments and various pending charges

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/22/politics/trump-tax-returns-analysis/index.html

 

[AncientBoi]

[rubs hands together] hehehehe.

 

[The Catboy]

I am pretty tilt that it's taken this long for anything to be done about Trump and that I honestly doubt anything is going to happen to him.

 

[djpannda]

I am pretty tilt that it's taken this long for anything to be done about Trump and that I honestly doubt anything is going to happen to him.

Well the order is for the Grand jury and the prosecutors to get the info not the public.. Accountants already agreed to follow the court outcome and have the info at hand..

 

[Hanafuda]

That's fine. Nobody is above the law, or at least shouldn't be. Now let's do Biden.

And since the IRS has had Trump's taxes and done nothing to-date except audit and approve, if any illegality is uncovered then let's make sure those at the IRS who missed it are also fired and prosecuted.

 

[AncientBoi]

That's fine. Nobody is above the law, or at least shouldn't be. Now let's do Biden.

And since the IRS has had Trump's taxes and done nothing to-date except audit and approve, if any illegality is uncovered then let's make sure those at the IRS who missed it are also fired and prosecuted.

They did Not say approved.

 

[Hanafuda]

They did Not say approved.

What years of Trump's taxes are still under audit? For any other years, IRS has given him a pass.

What years does the Manhattan D.A.'s subpoena cover?

If there's crossover, i.e. same years where the IRS audited and did nothing and the grand jury says "a-ha! possible crime!!" then the IRS fucked up.

 

[djpannda]

lolol I just love the Fact that Micheal Cohen (Trumps personal Lawyer during the Period) is on live MSNBC is saying Trump is screwed. Mind You Cohen is the Dirty Lawyer that did a lot of fixing for Trump. lol

 

[AncientBoi]

What years of Trump's taxes are still under audit? For any other years, IRS has given him a pass.

What years does the Manhattan D.A.'s subpoena cover?

If there's crossover, i.e. same years where the IRS audited and did nothing and the grand jury says "a-ha! possible crime!!" then the IRS fucked up.

He had his hand with the IRS. You're still NOT going to change my mind.

 

[The Catboy]

Well the order is for the Grand jury and the prosecutors to get the info not the public.. Accountants already agreed to follow the court outcome and have the info at hand..

I really hope something actually happens. Unfortunately, after the bullshit of the impeachment hearing, I am keeping my hopes low. I would rather be proven wrong and happy as a result than have my hopes crushed.

 

[notimp]

He had his hand with the IRS. You're still NOT going to change my mind.

Then now do Biden is the correct response - because he has not?

Point being, its not a good image for the POTUS to be in jail for tax avoidance. So there should be some amount of 'leniency' in play regardless of who is in charge - simply because of 'how it would look'. (National security, international image, ..)

(So in a sense, the Potus, and even former ones - is above the law.)

This might be why we had 'what will be the public image of Trump - once hes out of office' discussions three years ago - because some of that leniency is expected, but at the same time Trump certainly overdid it, but also gave the office a new self-image.

So basically what was 'ok' and what was not - to uphold the bright image of the US was up for debate.

Lets not forget, that the official narrative would have been to cheer him out of office, until the Capitol thing happened.

Here - take a meme :

(And start looking a bit broader than just 'the gossip parts' (my guy vs. the bad guy) of politics. )

edit: Also - this:
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-technology-archive-c99697ac657534d6015894377d04eb1f

 

[Hanafuda]

lolol I just love the Fact that Micheal Cohen (Trumps personal Lawyer during the Period) is on live MSNBC is saying Trump is screwed. Mind You Cohen is the Dirty Lawyer that did a lot of fixing for Trump. lol

Could be. I'm trying to imagine a scenario in which Trump could be screwed but Cohen is not (i.e. even more than he already is).

 

[djpannda]

Could be. I'm trying to imagine a scenario in which Trump could be screwed but Cohen is not (i.e. even more than he already is).

I don't get me Wrong Cohen is GARBAGE.... but his the type of Rat that will Spill all the Beans to save his own ass...

 

[Xzi]

That's fine. Nobody is above the law, or at least shouldn't be. Now let's do Biden.

He never attempted to keep his tax returns secret to begin with. As a person running for public office, that's not something you have to worry about unless there's a boatload of illegal shit contained within them.

https://joebiden.com/financial-disclosure/

 

[Hanafuda]

I don't get me Wrong Cohen is GARBAGE.... but his the type of Rat that will Spill all the Beans to save his own ass...

He's already been convicted in Federal court of tax-evasion himself. Still serving his sentence AFAIK, though he got cushy home confinement thanks to Covid.

I don't have any illusions on this front. I just assume anyone flying that high in the political world is a surfer on waves of corruption. Both parties.

 

[AncientBoi]

Either way tRUMP has other issues He alone has to face. And from what I've seen of the circus of his defense team, He dekcuF!

 

[Hanafuda]

He never attempted to keep his tax returns secret to begin with. As a person running for public office, that's not something you have to worry about unless there's a boatload of illegal shit contained within them.

https://joebiden.com/financial-disclosure/

No I meant let's have a federal prosecutor conduct an investigation and then present their conclusions to a grand jury. Totally separate from whether tax filings look correct on their face, or at least that's what the message here is. Let's look into those communications between Hunter and his business partner whining about "the Chairman" taking 10% of everything.

 

[Xzi]

No I meant let's have a federal prosecutor conduct an investigation and then present their conclusions to a grand jury. Totally separate from whether tax filings look correct on their face, or at least that's what the message here is. Let's look into those communications between Hunter and his business partner whining about "the Chairman" taking 10% of everything.

Oh don't worry, I'm sure Republicans will spend 90% of the next four years throwing shit at the wall just to see if anything sticks. Thanks to the precedent they set though, Joe Biden is indeed above the law until he's no longer in office, so at the end of the day it's all really just sound and fury signifying nothing.

 

[notimp]

Oh don't worry, I'm sure Republicans will spend 90% of the next four years throwing shit at the wall just to see if anything sticks. Thanks to the precedent they set though, Joe Biden is indeed above the law until he's no longer in office, so at the end of the day it's all really just sound and fury signifying nothing.

Yes, yes, no, no.

The thing itself is still legally relevant. And morally relevant. And institutionally relevant (21% funding cuts for the IRS since 2010). At the same time, that we are getting to know it now - might very well be partisan politics, or the man having fallen from grace.

If we take into account that this was the decision of the supreme court which should be an independent body - it was those judges, who made the decision.

But personal, or government documents that go 'straight into an archive (/library)' where they are locked away even from freedom of information requests (something a journalist or lawyer would file a claim under to get access to historical records), is a common occurrence - at the same time.

(Not sure how the US supreme court has ruled on those in the past, .. maybe I'll find something...

edit: First google: https://www.justice.gov/oip/blog/supreme-court-set-hear-three-cases-involving-foia)

 

[Xzi]

If we take into account that this was the decision of the supreme court which should be an independent gremium - it was those judges, who made the decision.

It's a decision they were only willing to hand down once Trump was no longer in office. As long as Republicans are using "unitary executive theory" as a strategy, they have to treat the position of president like it makes a god out of whoever is occupying it, or otherwise lose their ability to continue pushing us down the path toward authoritarianism. That's why we'll probably never see a president convicted in the Senate, regardless of the charges against him and/or the evidence backing those charges.