Tennessee poised to ban public drag shows, hormone therapy for children

[Foxi4]

Unsure if anyone brought this up, but apparently a photo surfaced of the Tennessee governor in drag

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/28/tennessee-governor-ban-drag-shows-photo-bill-lee

That’s really funny.

 

[caipora]

read some of the 11 pages of discourse

Ain't reading 11 pages of a forum thread.

Nobody here is a fan of Honey Boo Boo and the exploits by her mother.

Good.

If you aren't aware, this shit was pushed hard by the same MSM and media corporations that tell you drag for children is good.

I wasn't aware, and that's terrible.

The thing is this kind of thing is used as propaganda against a supposedly "LGBT+ AGENDA OH NO THEY GAYING MY KIDS" which makes no sense. This is a child abuse issue, child abuse can happen anywhere, anytime, especially inside the children's home itself.
The LGBT+ are portraied as pedophiles and groomers constantly by this kind of stuff. They report these cases like pedophilic and abusive behavior were emboied in your community, like the LGBT+ people are the danger, and not as child abuse being a problem widely spread over various circles, cultural, social, etc.
This makes intolerant people even more intolerant. It's sold for this effect.

 

[Xzi]

"there's not a single sane person who believes the government should mandate what clothes adults can and cannot wear"

Verify it please.

Easy, present me with such a person and I'll declare them insane. Done and done.

Given how pedantic you tend to be, however, let me clarify that I'm not referring to any mode of dress which exposes the ass or genitals. Only public place that might be acceptable is Wal-Mart.

This is literally how your government and its policies have fumbled throughout history. Make a law. Stupid shit happens. Make another law. Stupider shit happens. Welcome to 2023, asshole.

So maybe don't make objectively stupid laws to begin with? Shouldn't be too much to ask.

 

[tabzer]

Easy, present me with such a person and I'll declare them insane. Done and done.

Given how pedantic you tend to be, however, let me clarify that I'm not referring to any mode of dress which exposes the ass or genitals. Only public place that might be acceptable is Wal-Mart.

I'm interested in communicating in English. If you don't care that your edgy shit takes don't match reality, then I am doing everyone a disservice by interacting with you. Also, you are an internet voice. Your authority has only as much authority as I give it.

So maybe don't make objectively stupid laws to begin with? Shouldn't be too much to ask.

I can easily claim that I do not make objectively stupid laws, nor do I endorse those who do so. Checkmate, loser.

 

[Xzi]

I'm interested in communicating in English. If you don't care that your edgy shit takes don't match reality, then I am doing everyone a disservice by interacting with you.

Here's the reality then: the first amendment protects articles of clothing, bumper stickers, etc that some would consider "offensive." In accordance with this, the police have lost several lawsuits for false arrest and had to pay out penalties in the tens of thousands. For that same reason, this Tennessee law is likely to be overturned when a case reaches a federal appeals court.

I can easily claim that I do not make objectively stupid laws, nor do I endorse those who do so.

So you aren't endorsing this one? Good.

 

[tabzer]

Here's the reality then: the first amendment protects articles of clothing, bumper stickers, etc that some would consider "offensive." In accordance with this, the police have lost several lawsuits for false arrest and had to pay out penalties in the tens of thousands. For that same reason, this Tennessee law is likely to be overturned when a case reaches a federal appeals court.

Nice pivot. This change-up reintroduces the idea that you think "child beauty pageants" are okay.

So you aren't endorsing this one? Good.

I know. I'm not exactly sure what I said that suggested that I did. Care to point it out?

 

[Xzi]

Nice pivot. This change-up reintroduces the idea that you think "child beauty pageants" are okay.

Not a pivot, 100% relevant to the same discussion we were already having about how stupid and overreaching this law is. Also has nothing to do with the numerous problems involved with child beauty pageants, sexualization of children is not protected by the first amendment.

 

[tabzer]

The thing is this kind of thing is used as propaganda against a supposedly "LGBT+ AGENDA OH NO THEY GAYING MY KIDS" which makes no sense. This is a child abuse issue, child abuse can happen anywhere, anytime, especially inside the children's home itself.
The LGBT+ are portraied as pedophiles and groomers constantly by this kind of stuff. They report these cases like pedophilic and abusive behavior were emboied in your community, like the LGBT+ people are the danger, and not as child abuse being a problem widely spread over various circles, cultural, social, etc.
This makes intolerant people even more intolerant. It's sold for this effect.

The thing is, LGBT+ is used as a smokescreen for a lot of pedophilia.

Technically, you could consider me LGBT+, but I disassociate myself with any "group" that targets a specific issue at the expense of every other issue.

In my experience with social circles of those who identify as gay, bi, or LGBT, it was far too common for there to be casual conversation about the sexual appeal of minors. I've removed myself from such circles because of this.

I am not convinced that the LGBT+ "movement", if it is even organic (I doubt), is a net positive.

Not a pivot, 100% relevant to the same discussion we were already having about how stupid and overreaching this law is.

It's relevent, sure. It's also a clear attempt to distance yourself from your "what about child beauty pageants?", which remains shameful.

Also has nothing to do with the numerous problems involved with child beauty pageants, sexualization of children is not protected by the first amendment.

That's right. This topic has nothing to do with child beauty pageants. You brought that up. What was the point of that again? As I remember, you used it as an excuse to as why drag shows for children should be accepted, which carries the insinuation that sexualization of children is already protected, so nbd. This is documented. Maybe you can mitigate the damage by deleting your posts, or start spouting about some other BS that is irrelevant to the discussion. You know, to create more distance from the fact that you used the existence of child exploitation to validate the opportunity for more child exploitation.

 

[Xzi]

That's right. This topic has nothing to do with child beauty pageants. You brought that up. What was the point of that again?

The point was and continues to be that Republicans only pretend to care about the safety and well-being of children as cover for hypocritical culture war bullshit. Child beauty pageants are practically the official state past-time in Texas, trailing only local football. Republicans will get mad about seeing supervised children at a drag show, and then leave their kids unsupervised with pedo priests and scoutmasters. Then they knowingly vote for people like Roy Moore and Matt Gaetz. Hell, some of them even lobby to undo child labor laws and bring back corporal punishment in schools.

Actions speak louder than words, and at least on a national scale, their actions say their hate for the LGBTQ+ community far outweighs their love for children. They also really hate that Gen Z has a more finely-tuned bullshit detector than any generation before.

 

[Cylent1]

I wouldn't say being gay is an illness.

Wanting to dance like a stripper in a thong and stilletto heels (and nothing else) in front of small children is though. Regardless of man/woman.

When you are confused on what you private parts are used for... I would say that is an illness!

 

[TraderPatTX]

What you showed demonstrates that some parents don't mind exposing their children to that. I wouldn't take my kids to such a show, but I'm not going to try to dictate to others that my morals and values are the only correct ones.

Then why is it illegal to take kids to a female strip bar? It's ok to look at men's bare asses but not women's? Make that make sense.

What happens is the pageant still goes on, usually fills up anyway, and children in bathing suits are paraded around in front of a bunch of pedo judges. It's objectively abhorrent to continue allowing such events to continue taking place.

I agree. Now do drag shows. Most of those drag queens are registered sex offenders.

https://www.newsweek.com/sex-offender-busted-drag-queen-who-read-book-children-city-library-1365384

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/...-charged-with-25-counts-of-child-pornography/

So you support kids being in close proximity to sex offenders, which is already illegal, just to push your sick ideology.

It's a fair argument that some drag shows are also objectively sexualized, but not all are, and at least they're adults making these decisions for themselves.

Drag shows are inherently sexualized by their very nature. The fact that you excuse it and actually support other kids seeing it shows what kind of person you really are.

 

[caipora]

The thing is, LGBT+ is used as a smokescreen for a lot of pedophilia.

That's the thing, a shit TON of means and groups are used as smokescreen for pedophilia and general abuse.
The thing is, LGBT+ is the main target because it's an easy media sell, all protestant old ladies and MAGA hat yankees fall for that shit (in the US context), they become even more intolerant because they're afraid of us already, and the circle goes on, they keep consuming this shit.
If that kind of media were really interested in reporting these cases in a serious manner, they would address especifically the abusers themselves, the club owners themselves, organizers etc, and not an abstract concept.

Also, just noticed the thread also talk about hormone therapy for children. Of course 5, 8 years old cannot comprehend the most basic concepts, but this should not be applied to pre-teens and teenagers going through puberty. Dysphoria is really painful, they should be able to take hormones with medical... stuff, "acompanhamento" forgot how this word is in english.
Being trans must suck, it's always an old cis dumbass poking your asshole.

 

[N7Kopper]

This is always how it is. The far left throw up smokescreen after smokescreen accusing you of the very things they themselves are doing, and then call you far right for saying "stop grooming kids you fucking cunts." Not grooming kids is far right, because you're pretty fucking far wrong for not despising it. It's like "We're not grooming kids to hate the British Empire and its former colonies by lying about history with Critical Race Theory-HOW DARE YOU BAN US FROM GROOMING KIDS WITH CRITICAL RACE THEORY!"

I would call it ironic that the same people who took up the old bible-basher mantle of attacking boobs in videogames are doing this, but there's nothing ironic about it. Boobs in videogames don't destroy childhood innocence, they make young teenagers feel clever when they finally get the appeal. There's no reason to allow them to be there if they don't destroy childhood innocence, is there? The bible bashers at least thought it did. They were sympathetically misguided.

Unlike a lot of people, I actually read Gail Rubin. I know all about how "family friendly" is referring to drag families and their inevitably socialist revolutionary energy. It's all about alienating children until their only love is for Ze Fuhrer. Constantly bombard a little boy with messages that he's TOTALLY A GIRL and should TOTALLY CONVERT HIS GENDER and then label anyone who tries to affirm to him that he is in fact a boy as a conversion therapist for resisting your conversion cult. The common canard that "resisting our indoctrination causes suicide!" is debunked easily. Where the fuck were the suicides? All those poor suicidal transpeople that An Heroed throughout history before your noncey arses showed up? Oh! There weren't any! Youth suicide has skyrocketed ever since "gender affirming" conversion therapy has become law in half the bloody West! These suicides are actually from cis kids who you are putting through conversion therapy, you demons.

Unsure if anyone brought this up, but apparently a photo surfaced of the Tennessee governor in drag

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/28/tennessee-governor-ban-drag-shows-photo-bill-lee

Anyone who calls this hypocrisy is tipping their hands that they see all drag queens as pedophiles - or that they see them as useless unless they walk in ideological lockstep. I have an entire folder of hot vampire chicks, that clearly means I want five year olds to get their necks bitten by strippers. Let the man be into what he's into - he's not into little children. I pray this doesn't ruin drag for him - it has for me.

In short, the very fact that there's such a globally organised push for this and such a massive fightback against anyone banning it is itself evidence in favour of a ban. If it was all so harmless, no big, powerful socialist revolutionary would object to more reasons to arrest people he doesn't like.

 

[TraderPatTX]

That's the thing, a shit TON of means and groups are used as smokescreen for pedophilia and general abuse.
The thing is, LGBT+ is the main target because it's an easy media sell, all protestant old ladies and MAGA hat yankees fall for that shit (in the US context), they become even more intolerant because they're afraid of us already, and the circle goes on, they keep consuming this shit.

We were very tolerant when this behavior was kept in the bedroom where we were assured we had no business in. We became intolerant when sex offenders began strip dancing for children in public venues. Don't forget, it is already illegal for sex offenders to be around children, so many of these drag queens are already breaking the law.

If that kind of media were really interested in reporting these cases in a serious manner, they would address especifically the abusers themselves, the club owners themselves, organizers etc, and not an abstract concept.

Also, just noticed the thread also talk about hormone therapy for children. Of course 5, 8 years old cannot comprehend the most basic concepts, but this should not be applied to pre-teens and teenagers going through puberty. Dysphoria is really painful, they should be able to take hormones with medical... stuff, "acompanhamento" forgot how this word is in english.
Being trans must suck, it's always an old cis dumbass poking your asshole.

Pre-teens and teenagers are notorious for making bad decisions that only affect them temporarily. You want them to make bad decisions that will affect them permanently? And explain why this has to be kept secret from parents. Why do school teachers always tell the kids to not talk about this stuff at home? These teachers are complete nutjobs who have no business being around kids.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle...ns-causing-suicidal-thoughts-suit/ar-AA183HfU

 

[caipora]

We became intolerant when sex offenders began strip dancing for children in public venues.

Everybody does, weirdass user with Ghost Army patch avatar. The point i'm trying to make is that intolerant people make it seems like that ALL of the LGBT+ community agrees with this, which is not true, and use this narrative to sell this kind of media.

Why do school teachers always tell the kids to not talk about this stuff at home? These teachers are complete nutjobs who have no business being around kids.

I would really like to see somekind of data on this because ya'll talk about it like every single elementary school teacher acts like this. If the teacher is irresponsible, the blame's on them, not the community.
It's not their place to tell kids to do these things, but if they may just being supportive for children who suffer abuse at home. My own girlfriend experienced this shit, it would've been nice to not having an asshole at each corner of her pre-teen, teenage years.
Why would kids keep it a secret for their parents? To avoid being kicked outta home, avoid being spanked with a belt, avoid being indocrinated in conversion camps, avoid being excluded social circles, that's why.
And these people wouldn't just suddendly begin to take hormones, there's a whole processes they take so they can be sure, most of trans people start hormone therapy on their teen years or early adult life and experience greater life quality and inner peace.
Wouldn't it be cool if young people had proper instructions and support so they can be sure with what they want and not take hormones by themselves?

You're just angry, "keep it in your bedroom" like pedophilic shit is something we all inherently do. Fuck you.

 

[TraderPatTX]

Everybody does, weirdass user with Ghost Army patch avatar. The point i'm trying to make is that intolerant people make it seems like that ALL of the LGBT+ community agrees with this, which is not true, and use this narrative to sell this kind of media.

That's weird, because the people who point out this disturbing behavior are all labeled fascist bigots transphobes. Maybe if they would have kept their sexual proclivities in the bedroom like they said they would, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I would really like to see somekind of data on this because ya'll talk about it like every single elementary school teacher acts like this. If the teacher is irresponsible, the blame's on them, not the community.

Never said every elementary school teacher acts like this. Didn't even say a majority did. That's you saying it. Try and refrain from making things up and attributing them to me.

It's not their place to tell kids to do these things, but if they may just being supportive for children who suffer abuse at home. My own girlfriend experienced this shit, it would've been nice to not having an asshole at each corner of her pre-teen, teenage years.
Why would kids keep it a secret for their parents? To avoid being kicked outta home, avoid being spanked with a belt, avoid being indocrinated in conversion camps, avoid being excluded social circles, that's why.

Instead, they are being indoctrinated in secret at school. You know groomer's first step with kids is to isolate them from loved ones and present themselves as their only friend, right?

And these people wouldn't just suddendly begin to take hormones, there's a whole processes they take so they can be sure, most of trans people start hormone therapy on their teen years or early adult life and experience greater life quality and inner peace.
Wouldn't it be cool if young people had proper instructions and support so they can be sure with what they want and not take hormones by themselves?

Nope, people here have told me repeatedly that minors are not taking hormones or amputating healthy tissue. It would be nice if young people would be taken to get mental health instead of cutting off healthy body parts.

You're just angry, "keep it in your bedroom" like pedophilic shit is something we all inherently do. Fuck you.

Then leave the children alone. It's as simple as that. Nobody is forcing you to wear women's clothes and dance provocatively in front of children. All you have to do is knock it off. Yet, I see videos like this every single day. You can't defend this, but I'd love to see you try.

 

[Xerokard]

I love this

We're comin for ya

 

[caipora]

That's weird, because the people who point out this disturbing behavior are all labeled fascist bigots transphobes. Maybe if they would have kept their sexual proclivities in the bedroom like they said they would, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Never said every elementary school teacher acts like this. Didn't even say a majority did. That's you saying it. Try and refrain from making things up and attributing them to me.

Instead, they are being indoctrinated in secret at school. You know groomer's first step with kids is to isolate them from loved ones and present themselves as their only friend, right?

Nope, people here have told me repeatedly that minors are not taking hormones or amputating healthy tissue. It would be nice if young people would be taken to get mental health instead of cutting off healthy body parts.

Then leave the children alone. It's as simple as that. Nobody is forcing you to wear women's clothes and dance provocatively in front of children. All you have to do is knock it off. Yet, I see videos like this every single day. You can't defend this, but I'd love to see you try.

"Try to refrain from making things up and attributing them to me", that's exactly what you're doing, but to a whole community. "Leave them alone", "keep it in your bedroom", attributing this kind of thing to this community, which i am included, it's all you've doing. You're almost saying that i'm a groomer.

"Health issues", "cutting off body parts", "kept their sexual proclivities in the bedroom like they said they would"

"They"

"Try defending this"... I'm not, as i made very clear on my posts. Your vocabulary and discuss say it all... No use talking to you, imma just avoid your avatar and username from now on.

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This is always how it is. The far left throw up smokescreen after smokescreen accusing you of the very things they themselves are doing, and then call you far right for saying "stop grooming kids you fucking cunts." Not grooming kids is far right, because you're pretty fucking far wrong for not despising it. It's like "We're not grooming kids to hate the British Empire and its former colonies by lying about history with Critical Race Theory-HOW DARE YOU BAN US FROM GROOMING KIDS WITH CRITICAL RACE THEORY!"

I would call it ironic that the same people who took up the old bible-basher mantle of attacking boobs in videogames are doing this, but there's nothing ironic about it. Boobs in videogames don't destroy childhood innocence, they make young teenagers feel clever when they finally get the appeal. There's no reason to allow them to be there if they don't destroy childhood innocence, is there? The bible bashers at least thought it did. They were sympathetically misguided.

Unlike a lot of people, I actually read Gail Rubin. I know all about how "family friendly" is referring to drag families and their inevitably socialist revolutionary energy. It's all about alienating children until their only love is for Ze Fuhrer. Constantly bombard a little boy with messages that he's TOTALLY A GIRL and should TOTALLY CONVERT HIS GENDER and then label anyone who tries to affirm to him that he is in fact a boy as a conversion therapist for resisting your conversion cult. The common canard that "resisting our indoctrination causes suicide!" is debunked easily. Where the fuck were the suicides? All those poor suicidal transpeople that An Heroed throughout history before your noncey arses showed up? Oh! There weren't any! Youth suicide has skyrocketed ever since "gender affirming" conversion therapy has become law in half the bloody West! These suicides are actually from cis kids who you are putting through conversion therapy, you demons.

Anyone who calls this hypocrisy is tipping their hands that they see all drag queens as pedophiles - or that they see them as useless unless they walk in ideological lockstep. I have an entire folder of hot vampire chicks, that clearly means I want five year olds to get their necks bitten by strippers. Let the man be into what he's into - he's not into little children. I pray this doesn't ruin drag for him - it has for me.

In short, the very fact that there's such a globally organised push for this and such a massive fightback against anyone banning it is itself evidence in favour of a ban. If it was all so harmless, no big, powerful socialist revolutionary would object to more reasons to arrest people he doesn't like.

The avatar checks out, godamn you're absolutely oblivious my man

 

[TraderPatTX]

"Try to refrain from making things up and attributing them to me", that's exactly what you're doing, but to a whole community. "Leave them alone", "keep it in your bedroom", attributing this kind of thing to this community, which i am included, it's all you've doing. You're almost saying that i'm a groomer.

"Health issues", "cutting off body parts", "kept their sexual proclivities in the bedroom like they said they would"

"They"

"Try defending this"... I'm not, as i made very clear on my posts. Your vocabulary and discuss say it all... No use talking to you, imma just avoid your avatar and username from now on.

You are far more offended at my word choice than at people who are targeting children to be sexualized, confused and permanently mutilated. Seems like you have your priorities backwards. Are you mad because I'm calling out your friends?

 

[caipora]

You are far more offended at my word choice than at people who are targeting children to be sexualized, confused and permanently mutilated. Seems like you have your priorities backwards. Are you mad because I'm calling out your friends?

No, i'm not friend of pedophiles, call them out, pedophiles and groomers must be called out, i'm not simply offended, it's outrageous that you point out a whole community as groomers and pedophiles. You're  almost, almost, calling me a groomer. Your discuss is clear, i just pointed it out.

Most abuse cases occur on the children's home by their own parents, or uncles, or yes, at school. But you know what most of abuse cases have in common? Straight, cis people. Do you see journals and media reporting these cases as "Heterossexuals abusing childrens on school"? I don't think so. I've never seen a LGBT+ professor abusing students on my school years, but i've dozen of professors - cis and straight, all male - abusing, harrassing and grooming students, and some of them targeting queer studend. It took months or even years for them to be fired, no one cared.
Did we report those cases as weirdass falt bald gross old cis male community grooming? No. We just reported as what it was: abuse and harrassment.
It's funny because two of them had exactly the SAME discuss as yours: LGBT+ indocrinating and grooming children.