The Bill That Could End Internet Privacy

[sjones900]

This is just as - if not worse - than the patriot act. I'm against CP, but this is stepping over the fucking line. Not the normal line, mind you, the fucking line.

I could deal with the patriot act, that probably saved lives. However just to combat Piracy... I don't think so.

 

[Bladexdsl]

american polititions just keep getting stupider and stupider. and i thought our polos did some stupid fucking things (gst, work policies, trying to tax the miners)

 

[Hop2089]

Can't the government just go into the darkest reaches of the net to nab the pedos, they can do it at anytime and it's far better and easier than enacting Ishihara class legistlation.

 

[Vulpes Abnocto]

I could deal with the patriot act, that probably saved lives. However just to combat Piracy... I don't think so.

Are you kidding me? The patriot act never saved anyone's life. Most of the time it was used to imprison pot smokers or push around homeless people.

 

[sjones900]

I could deal with the patriot act, that probably saved lives. However just to combat Piracy... I don't think so.

Are you kidding me? The patriot act never saved anyone's life. Most of the time it was used to imprison pot smokers or push around homeless people.

Well from what I've read most of the bills that have supposed "good intentions" almost always get abused, so it doesn't surprise me. I don't know a lot about the Patriot Act since it was passed when I was about 9. If only one of these bills actually did what the name implied..

 

[alphamule]

I highly suggest that you read 1984... It'll clear things up about names of laws very fast.

 

[blahkamehameha]

Aren't there more important things going on in the world? Seems like that is where people with power should be focusing their attention, instead of trying to catch millions of americans downloading a movie or having a picture of a naked 17 year old girl saved...

 

[Vulpes Abnocto]

@sjones900 Alright, that can be forgiven. I was 21 and fully aware of the bullshit happening all around our country.

Of course at that point I was optimistic that ten years down the road such bullshit would be past.

Seems I was horribly mistaken.

 

[alphamule]

@sjones900 Alright, that can be forgiven. I was 21 and fully aware of the bullshit happening all around our country.

Of course at that point I was optimistic that ten years down the road such bullshit would be past.

Seems I was horribly mistaken.

Well, they kept the gold ban for decades after WWII. Wasn't it Nixen that revoked it? Or signed the revocation, at least?

 

[gloweyjoey]

Anyway, bills like this is exactly why "Incognito Mode" was made. (Ok, maybe not exactly..... )
Still should/would provide useful in the event of this bill along with betterprivacy, and auto-clearing browsing data on exit. The police shall never know I go to certain torrent sites.

Your "incognito mode" and clearing of browsing data does nothing as your ISP still has a log of every site you visit.

 

[CarbonX13]

This sounds exactly like Bill C-51 Investigative Powers for the 21st Century Act introduced in the last parliament session up here in Canada. That along with the Copyright Modernization Act currently in parliament, which is basically the Canadian equivalent of a SOPA/PIPA sort of bill. The difference is that parliament bills hardly get enough attention here (politics are a practical joke really), so these bills can easily be passed by our current Conservative majority parliament without a widespoken opposition to it. How governments are able to pass these bills under so called "free" and "democratic" societies is a serious issue that hasn't been addressed properly yet.

 

[Thesolcity]

Anyway, bills like this is exactly why "Incognito Mode" was made. (Ok, maybe not exactly..... )
Still should/would provide useful in the event of this bill along with betterprivacy, and auto-clearing browsing data on exit. The police shall never know I go to certain torrent sites.

Your "incognito mode" and clearing of browsing data does nothing as your ISP still has a log of every site you visit.

Are you forgetting an IP doesn't equal a person? (i.e. They would have to have a local log that you personally did that which those methods effectively erase).

Link to the article on that ruling.

 

[gloweyjoey]

Anyway, bills like this is exactly why "Incognito Mode" was made. (Ok, maybe not exactly..... )
Still should/would provide useful in the event of this bill along with betterprivacy, and auto-clearing browsing data on exit. The police shall never know I go to certain torrent sites.

Your "incognito mode" and clearing of browsing data does nothing as your ISP still has a log of every site you visit.

Are you forgetting an IP doesn't equal a person? (i.e. They would have to have a local log that you personally did that which those methods effectively erase).

Link to the article on that ruling.

no i am not forgetting, it's irrelevant, regardless of who does it, regardless of if you clear your web history, there is indeed a log of sites that are being visited. Period, the end. So, when your ISP sends the acount holder of your internet connection a notice that they know someone downloaded the last epidsode of "True Blood" and theyd like for whoever it is to stop, they don't care if it was you or your dad or you sister.

It's even in one of these almost a half a year old articles Gahars posted...

At the moment, Internet service providers typically discard any log file that's no longer required for business reasons such as network monitoring, fraud prevention, or billing disputes. Companies do, however, alter that general rule when contacted by police performing an investigation--a practice called data preservation.
A 1996 federal law called the Electronic Communication Transactional Records Act regulates data preservation. It requires Internet providers to retain any "record" in their possession for 90 days "upon the request of a governmental entity."

 

[wasim]

Is this just in US or .. ?

 

[Jamstruth]

Well that was quick. Maddox was right, although this bill isn't QUITE as shitty, it still is. Wolf in sheep's clothing anyone?
Anyway, bills like this is exactly why "Incognito Mode" was made. (Ok, maybe not exactly..... )
Still should/would provide useful in the event of this bill along with betterprivacy, and auto-clearing browsing data on exit. The police shall never know I go to certain torrent sites.

This bill is talking about saving Internet tracks ISP side. Private Mode only stops saving it to your computer.
This bill is worrying because some representatives might just see "protect from child porn" and immediately approve without reading.

 

[gloweyjoey]

Honestly, I'm sympathetic to the authors of this bill

You mean Lamar Smith? The same guy behind SOPA and PIPA?

The issue im sympathetic about... The author, not so much...

Good intentions? You wish.

 

[Thesolcity]

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Ok, so are you talking about what they'd need to prompt an investigation? I'm sorry if I wasn't clear in that case, what I was trying to state is how to make sure they can't pin it on you should an investigation happen. If this is not the case, please disregard this message.

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Same, I wasn't talking about preventing an investigation. I was talking about covering your tracks so incriminating evidence can't be found should an investigation launch.

 

[gloweyjoey]

Ok, so are you talking about what they'd need to prompt an investigation? I'm sorry if I wasn't clear in that case, what I was trying to state is how to make sure they can't pin it on you should an investigation happen. If this is not the case, please disregard this message.

Im saying clearing your history or using "incognito mode" do nothing against not pinning you on something. If you are a suspect in something say like illeagal porn distrubution, and you got busted by giving it to nark or your friend and they got busted or something, they would then use the logs your ISP keeps, even if you used the methods you suggested, they would still know it was you going to www.illeagalpornsite.com.

 

[Thesolcity]

Ok, so are you talking about what they'd need to prompt an investigation? I'm sorry if I wasn't clear in that case, what I was trying to state is how to make sure they can't pin it on you should an investigation happen. If this is not the case, please disregard this message.

Im saying clearing your history or using "incognito mode" do nothing against not pinning you on something. If you are a suspect in something say like illeagal porn distrubution, and you got busted by giving it to nark or your friend and they got busted or something, they would then use the logs your ISP keeps, even if you used the methods you suggested, they would still know it was you going to www.illeagalpornsite.com.

I'm really tired so please excuse me if I don't have this right. So if someone else got busted for a crime, how would they know it was you? Are you saying your friend gets busted and a confession comes out saying it was you? But then wouldn't they have to prove you did it and not some virus? Since an IP doesn't equal a person wouldn't those logs would be useless without browsing data tying it to you? Let me see if I can get a better understanding from projecting a hypothetical situation:

OK, in my network, all devices share the same IP. Now, given the possible of routers being hacked how easy would it be to get away with just saying "I don't know, either it was a virus or someone cracked my network", Unless ISP's log MAC addresses now (Which I wouldn't know about), how would they prove it was you? What I'm trying to say is, (if known) what specifically is logged and what provisions does this bill contain that would allow ISP IP logging (AFAIK) to be incriminating evidence if illegal material is found?

 

[alphamule]

Well, technically, property goes on trial in the USA so you can have your home taken on suspicion of drug dealing. It's an end-run around the 4th amendment. So I'm sure there's some dumba$$ judge who'll allow them to prosecute you on that flimsy evidence as well.

http://sanhati.com/excerpted/4523/ Yet another law that makes you go "WTH?!" when you read about it. See "Authority to criminalize protests on GM crops". BTW, This one is from the fine folks that run India.