The NZ Shooting

[supersonicwaffle]

Nah, prior to the NZ shooting, most of his political rhetoric was about how the entirety of the left had become extremists. After the shooting, and his subsequent book banning, he decided to call out the far right for once. Which seems disingenuous at that point.

See this is why I ask about examples. I have a feeling we got a different idea of what the far right is. In the interviews I've seen he regularly expresses his disgust for the alt-right, racists, nazis, etc.

 

[Xzi]

See this is why I ask about examples. I have a feeling we got a different idea of what the far right is. In the interviews I've seen he regularly expresses his disgust for the alt-right, racists, nazis, etc.

Whether that's true or not, it then complete undercuts his sincerity when he happily takes pictures with those types.

All you have to do is look at his Wikipedia page to note that some of his views are heavily right-leaning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson#Postmodernism_and_identity_politics

Peterson's perspective on the influence of postmodernism on North American humanities departments has been compared to Cultural Marxist conspiracy theories.[38][71][72][73]

Peterson says that "disciplines like women's studies should be defunded" and advises freshman students to avoid subjects like sociology, anthropology, English literature, ethnic studies and racial studies, as well as other fields of study he believes are corrupted by the Neo-Marxist ideology.[74][75][76] He says that these fields, under the pretense of academic inquiry, propagate unscientific methods, fraudulent peer-review processes for academic journals, publications that garner zero citations,[77] cult-like behaviour,[75] safe-spaces,[74] and radical left-wing political activism for students.[65] Peterson has proposed launching a website which uses artificial intelligence to identify and showcase the amount of ideologization in specific courses. He announced in November 2017 that he had temporarily postponed the project as "it might add excessively to current polarization".[78][79]

Peterson has criticized the use of the term "white privilege", stating that "being called out on their white privilege, identified with a particular racial group and then made to suffer the consequences of the existence of that racial group and its hypothetical crimes, and that sort of thing has to come to a stop. ... [It's] racist in its extreme".[65] In regard to identity politics, while the "left plays them on behalf of the oppressed, let's say, and the right tends to play them on behalf of nationalism and ethnic pride" he considers them "equally dangerous" and that instead should be emphasized individualism and individual responsibility.[80] He has also been prominent in the debate about cultural appropriation, stating it promotes self-censorship in society and journalism.[81]

Basically his philosophy boils down to, "I don't have to accept that I'm getting old and out of touch, it's the children who are wrong! Anything I dislike is a neo-Marxist conspiracy!"

 

[SG854]

Whether that's true or not, it then complete undercuts his sincerity when he happily takes pictures with those types.

All you have to do is look at his Wikipedia page to note that some of his views are heavily right-leaning.

So? I didn’t know being right wing was a sin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson#Postmodernism_and_identity_politics



Basically his philosophy boils down to, "I don't have to accept that I'm getting old and out of touch, it's the children who are wrong! Anything I dislike is a neo-Marxist conspiracy!"

Man you are so out of touch of what’s going on it’s sad. I know people have previously criticized for having an unhealthy illogical obsession against right wingers and it suspends any thinking you have.

If you read that wiki article it explains exaclty what the problems are and he’s right.

Women’s studies, Racial Studies, sociology, do not use the scientific method. They just come up with a hypothesis and never test it. This is a huge problem in the academic world and pushes false ideas. They are fraudulent courses and have been exposed by scientists to be garbage.

And the same wiki article he complains about both left wing and right wing ideologies. Are you purposely being selective and only focusing on what you want to focus? It says he considers leftists identity politics and right wing nationalism to be equally bad.

I feel like you just don’t want to like him, so your doing whatever you can to find as many flaws as you can, without seeing the whole picture on what he actually represents only because you think he’s right winger, and you want to score points against right wingers, “you see right wingers are bad!” Your purposely being disingenuous.

 

[supersonicwaffle]

Whether that's true or not, it then complete undercuts his sincerity when he happily takes pictures with those types.

Even if what I'm going to say is gonna come off as such, I don't even want to defend the pic but there's an elephant in the room that needs to be addressed.
There's a decently sized list of prominent left wing figures who are very critical of Islam for the same reasons listed on the person's t-shirt. Are we gonna say Bill Maher is alt-right now? The Shirt even states he hates / dislikes (can't be made out) Islam but not the individual.
Here's a higher res picture:

I posed a similar question to the following to you in another thread a while ago and IIRC you chose not to respond. Polls show that a majority of british muslims believe homosexuality should be illegal, what do we do about it?

All you have to do is look at his Wikipedia page to note that some of his views are heavily right-leaning.

So we went from far-right to leaning far-right to right-leaning. I will take credit for predicting you're gonna move him leftwards when asking to explain it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson#Postmodernism_and_identity_politics



Basically his philosophy boils down to, "I don't have to accept that I'm getting old and out of touch, it's the children who are wrong! Anything I dislike is a neo-Marxist conspiracy!"

OK, let me try to understand you here. Grievance studies showed how incredibly flawed the peer review proccess is in these fields to the point it should be investigated whether all of it should be thrown out because any work done will likely reference work that has gone through the same flawed proccess but we should turn a blind eye because they're grumpy old men?

BTW, the last quoted paragraph from Wikipedia says that he considers identity politics from both the left and right to be equally dangerous. Are we gonna ignore this?

 

[Xzi]

So? I didn’t know being right wing was a sin.

I never said it was rofl. I was asked to provide examples of his political leanings and I gave them, that's all. Certainly not the type of guy I would espouse any credibility to, but I don't really care if other people do. Just don't pretend it's a surprise when he gets his book banned in a certain country for acting extremely inconsiderate toward the victims of a mass shooting. I'm seeing a lot of ludicrous victim-blaming coming from you and supersonicwaffle too.

 

[supersonicwaffle]

I never said it was rofl. I was asked to provide examples of his political leanings and I gave them, that's all. Certainly not the type of guy I would espouse any credibility to, but I don't really care if other people do. Just don't pretend it's a surprise when he gets his book banned in a certain country for acting extremely inconsiderate toward the victims of a mass shooting. I'm seeing a lot of ludicrous victim-blaming coming from you and supersonicwaffle too.

To tell you the truth, only after I posted my last post I noticed we were still in the NZ shooting thread, which I agree isn't a good place to bring up these arguments and I apologize for that.

Since I wasn't aware of that when I typed out my response I didn't consider that this could be seen as victim blaming, which wasn't my intention.

This is not the right place to have this discussion about Islam, but I do hope you'll respond to the issue one day.