What's your general opinion of Christianity?

[Deleted User]

So.. it is up to me who I love

Nobody's saying you have to do it. I was simply pointing out that it's a good philosophy.

In my point of view our universe has started with the big bang. Before the big bang there was no matter, space and time. Without time there couldn't have been any time for god creating the big bang, neither any time for god to be created.
Got this way of thinking after reading Stephen Hawking.
So.. it is up to me who I love.

No offense man, but you're saying that out of nowhere, before there was time and matter, there was a magizcal explosion that created the universe? Even among atheist scientists, nobody actually believes the Big Bang. I'm not saying that the only possibility is that there's a magic man in the sky, but even more... ridiculous is the idea the universe magically popped into existence.

 

[gnmmarechal]

Personally, I believe that religion as a whole is a very obsolete and dangerous concept, and we'd be better off without it.

 

[bodefuceta]

It is the timeless and eternal religion of the european people. All that was before it's existence, has guided Europe to this path. But the european people are dieing, and christianity may as well be all that remains from us in 1000 years, as was catholicism to the romans.

 

[FAST6191]

Even among atheist scientists, nobody actually believes the Big Bang

Oh? I thought it was a near universally accepted model among all the relevant physicists, cosmologists...

That said much like evolution vs the start of life (a different concept with multiple competing ideas -- abiogenesis, panspermia...) there is a difference between universal expansion and the discussions of what came before the big bang (some kind of cyclic universe or extradimensional weirdness being two of the more interesting things). This is before we even discuss the various dark things and all that jazz, in this case dark energy being the more relevant


The series it is part of is great


and because why not


As for "it's a good philosophy" where "Love your God with all your heart soul mind and strength" is it then nah.
10 minutes is probably where the proper response to the above comes in but the whole thing is good

 

[Subtle Demise]

Even among atheist scientists, nobody actually believes the Big Bang. I'm not saying that the only possibility is that there's a magic man in the sky, but even more... ridiculous is the idea the universe magically popped into existence.

It didn't just magically pop into existence. The theory is that all matter existed in a singularity, and then it rapidly expanded (why did this happen? Not sure, but we'll never know all the answers). This may not even be the first incarnation of the universe. It is also my belief that time is a man-made concept.

It is the timeless and eternal religion of the european people. All that was before it's existence, has guided Europe to this path. But the european people are dieing, and christianity may as well be all that remains from us in 1000 years, as was catholicism to the romans.

It's actually pretty new compared to all the religions that came before it.

Oh? I thought it was a near universally accepted model among all the relevant physicists, cosmologists...

That must be one of those things that get passed around at churches, same as the whole Darwin recanting evolution on his deathbed.

 

[Deleted User]

Oh? I thought it was a near universally accepted model among all the relevant physicists, cosmologists...

That said much like evolution vs the start of life (a different concept with multiple competing ideas -- abiogenesis, panspermia...) there is a difference between universal expansion and the discussions of what came before the big bang (some kind of cyclic universe or extradimensional weirdness being two of the more interesting things). This is before we even discuss the various dark things and all that jazz, in this case dark energy being the more relevant


The series it is part of is great


and because why not


As for "it's a good philosophy" where "Love your God with all your heart soul mind and strength" is it then nah.
10 minutes is probably where the proper response to the above comes in but the whole thing is good

It didn't just magically pop into existence. The theory is that all matter existed in a singularity, and then it rapidly expanded (why did this happen? Not sure, but we'll never know all the answers). This may not even be the first incarnation of the universe. It is also my belief that time is a man-made concept.

It's actually pretty new compared to all the religions that came before it.

That must be one of those things that get passed around at churches, same as the whole Darwin recanting evolution on his deathbed.

You missed the post I was replying to.

For me all theistic religions are equally outlandish.
But as long as religious people don't harm themselves or any others by their religious believes it doesn't bother me. I also disagree with religious influences on politics.

In my point of view our universe has started with the big bang. Before the big bang there was no matter, space and time. Without time there couldn't have been any time for god creating the big bang, neither any time for god to be created.
Got this way of thinking after reading Stephen Hawking.
So.. it is up to me who I love.

I was talking not about the Big Bang in its current incarnation, but the one CosmoCortney appears to be speaking of. Apologies for any misunderstanding.

 

[Bowsette]

I think God doesnt exist.
But Religion still can help people through hard times so i guess religion can be a good thing but is also often pretty bad (killing and stuff).

 

[Ratatattat]

Sad world if there is no God.
Not sad for you, your dead forever.
But sad world for those who might hope to see you again.
Sad world if there is no God.

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For me all theistic religions are equally outlandish.
But as long as religious people don't harm themselves or any others by their religious believes it doesn't bother me. I also disagree with religious influences on politics.

In my point of view our universe has started with the big bang. Before the big bang there was no matter, space and time. Without time there couldn't have been any time for god creating the big bang, neither any time for god to be created.
Got this way of thinking after reading Stephen Hawking.
So.. it is up to me who I love.

If there was a God that created the universe then I would assume he created the components of the universe which is energy(matter) and time. There would be no need for those components to preexist because God created them. So I don't get your argument that God would have had to create himself.

 

[JaapDaniels]

Sad world if there is no God.
Not sad for you, your dead forever.
But sad world for those who might hope to see you again.
Sad world if there is no God.
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If there was a God that created the universe then I would assume he created the components of the universe which is energy(matter) and time. There would be no need for those components to preexist because God created them. So I don't get your argument that God would have had to create himself.

do you really wanna see your grand grand grand grand father? is that so sad?
keeping hold af a past, not letting the dead rest?
if a god exists it means every one that would have done his bidding keeps living forever.
just a simple idea for the christians under us...
that means about 90% europes population for at least 1500 years (those not conforming this religion were brought to justice by the church, and it meant death penalty). either the idea of one big house for us all or that garden of eden, there's gonna be a problem.
i mean we're all gonna be struck together, all seeing the same styles and thanking the master for being there with us keeping us alive,forever... see it as being old in a commune building, but then not just with that crazy cat lady, but 3 barking dog ladies, one kitchen, one artist, one leader, one... it sounds nice?
oke, we've got this on earth in some countries... we had germany a few years back here in europe, is that really to be called paradise? following one person because he's such a good guy?
is it so bad the death need rest?
yes you'll leave some day, and yes you'll be missed one day.
but you will be in thier hearts forever, not having an afterlife doesn't mean you'll be degraded to nothing.
you'll always be the base they built on.

the other term then...

if there's only space, then there's nothing to support a being...
if there's no star, there's no gravety....
if there's no air movement, there's no sound...
if we're created in his image, why doesn't my voice work like his?
if he's so almighty, then why did he punish creatures of his making for what he could've forseen?
if he's forseeing, then why don't he help out?
if he cares so much for his creation why doesn't he clearly show wht god is the real god?
why does he hate at least 5% of his creation for loving the same sex?
why does he hate 75X of his creation for not being able to see him being the real god?
why does he keeps pushing us into war if he created us?
why is the one creature made in his example the most distructive being in the universe?

 

[Ratatattat]

do you really wanna see your grand grand grand grand father? is that so sad?
keeping hold af a past, not letting the dead rest?
if a god exists it means every one that would have done his bidding keeps living forever.
just a simple idea for the christians under us...
that means about 90% europes population for at least 1500 years (those not conforming this religion were brought to justice by the church, and it meant death penalty). either the idea of one big house for us all or that garden of eden, there's gonna be a problem.
i mean we're all gonna be struck together, all seeing the same styles and thanking the master for being there with us keeping us alive,forever... see it as being old in a commune building, but then not just with that crazy cat lady, but 3 barking dog ladies, one kitchen, one artist, one leader, one... it sounds nice?
oke, we've got this on earth in some countries... we had germany a few years back here in europe, is that really to be called paradise? following one person because he's such a good guy?
is it so bad the death need rest?
yes you'll leave some day, and yes you'll be missed one day.
but you will be in thier hearts forever, not having an afterlife doesn't mean you'll be degraded to nothing.
you'll always be the base they built on.

the other term then...

if there's only space, then there's nothing to support a being...
if there's no star, there's no gravety....
if there's no air movement, there's no sound...
if we're created in his image, why doesn't my voice work like his?
if he's so almighty, then why did he punish creatures of his making for what he could've forseen?
if he's forseeing, then why don't he help out?
if he cares so much for his creation why doesn't he clearly show wht god is the real god?
why does he hate at least 5% of his creation for loving the same sex?
why does he hate 75X of his creation for not being able to see him being the real god?
why does he keeps pushing us into war if he created us?
why is the one creature made in his example the most distructive being in the universe?

Quit perceiving the universe as what there was before it. You don't know.
Gravity created stars not the other way around.
So I can't hear you even though your blowing a lot of hot air.
How do you know it doesn't?
Who said God foresees. Did he tell you?
Maybe thats not how it works.
Who said he does. You?
Who said he hates?
I think maybe we push ourselves into war.
Well you got that one right.
Just maybe your blaming the wrong one.

 

[FAST6191]

Who said God foresees. Did he tell you?
Maybe thats not how it works.
Who said he does. You?
Who said he hates?

So an all seeing, all powerful being existing eternally past and forward can't predict/know things? Seems odd. As for the source of that... it seems to be a fairly key tenet of the religions in question. https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-too...-the-bible-teach-about-the-nature-of-god-what seems like a fairly well sourced article.
Similarly said all seeing, all powerful being (one that created humans and presumably has a perfect knowledge of biology) allowing such things to happen where they could be trivially fixed (all powerful and all that) would speak to an extreme callousness.[/QUOTE]

 

[bi388]

Sad world if there is no God.
Not sad for you, your dead forever.
But sad world for those who might hope to see you again.
Sad world if there is no God.

Well that should be motivation to make sure you make good use of the time you have. You dont know whether you will be able to see someone again after they die, so make sure that if that were to happen then you are content with the time you have spent with them. Live life to the fullest assuming you wont get anything after, and then the world isnt sad.

 

[FAST6191]

Courtesy of Stephen Fry.

So in the afterlife you get to see all your family again

Reply
But what if I have been good?

 

[XorTroll]

Religion was originated on a time when science didn't exist, so it was created based mostly on myths and legends (although it has adapted and become more "modern" the last decades), but despite being atheist I agree with the philosophy Jesus had, but not those facts which insist on having to pray for a non-existant divinity. Although God could exist, it doesn't seem he/she/it/whatever exists or will exist. It's simply lack of evidence.
I've studied on a catholic school and studied religion there for many years, and that is what made me atheist. You really need to know how something works before you critizise it.

 

[FAST6191]

I've studied on a catholic school and studied religion there for many years, and that is what made me atheist. You really need to know how something works before you critizise it.

While "no faster way to becoming an atheist than actually reading [insert holy book]" I don't know if I would go so far as to say "really need to know". You might need to really know law before you go toe to toe with a lawyer in their field, similarly your doctor probably knows much about medicine (been watching US medicine adverts where I am invited to tell or ask my doctor about certain medicines... quite odd) and thus your opinion is of limited value in many regards, however for most religion I would say basic reading comprehension is about all that is needed.

 

[Ratatattat]

Sad world. There is no God. You can't physically prove it.
Sad world. There is no Faith. You can't physically prove it.
Sad world. There is no Love. You can't physically prove it.
And on and on get my point?

"Science deals with testable hypotheses, i.e. ideas that are falsifiable through prediction and experiment. As it is only possible to interact with the contents of the Universe, it is essentially impossible to ask a scientific question about what is external to the Universe, whether spatially or temporally (assuming either is even possible).

 

[JaapDaniels]

Sad world. There is no God. You can't physically prove it.
Sad world. There is no Faith. You can't physically prove it.
Sad world. There is no Love. You can't physically prove it.
And on and on get my point?

"Science deals with testable hypotheses, i.e. ideas that are falsifiable through prediction and experiment. As it is only possible to interact with the contents of the Universe, it is essentially impossible to ask a scientific question about what is external to the Universe, whether spatially or temporally (assuming either is even possible).

It's a sad world if we take for granted that someone is morally wrong just because a book tells us.
It's a sad world if we don't take our responsibilities to mother nature because we should not worry cause our god will provide.
It's a sad world if we make war for a book.
It's a sad world if kill love in the name of a god.
It's a sad world if we keep lying to children for they might not be able to deal with the trauma's life will bring.
It's a sad world if god ever excisted, for he doesn't care for the living now.
It's a sad world if we life for ever, since it's allready impossible for us to get enought food, drinks, air and living space for those who life today.
get my point?

 

[FAST6191]

Sad world. There is no God. You can't physically prove it.
Sad world. There is no Faith. You can't physically prove it.
Sad world. There is no Love. You can't physically prove it.
And on and on get my point?

"Science deals with testable hypotheses, i.e. ideas that are falsifiable through prediction and experiment. As it is only possible to interact with the contents of the Universe, it is essentially impossible to ask a scientific question about what is external to the Universe, whether spatially or temporally (assuming either is even possible).

Are we back with the agnosticism thing again? I already did that. https://gbatemp.net/threads/whats-your-general-opinion-of-christianity.519943/page-9#post-8333534
I would struggle to presently prove anything outside the universe, however there are thousands of competing and incompatible religions to pick from, and infinite if I care to generate such things. All the major world religions have demonstrably false books and a history of attempting to control people (or are offshoots of that) and we have no evidence that any action was ever taken by such a being (unless such a being truly embraces chaos, in which case they are pointless). As the claim of a god is then a very hard to make one it is not entirely illogical to go with as it is an outrageous claim I am going with "none" pending evidence of that.


Also where does faith and love come into that? I can see those in an MRI machine in those that suffer such things (contrasting it with people that don't suffer from such maladies) and otherwise replicate things under controlled conditions or observations of the world.

 

[Ratatattat]

It's a sad world if we take for granted that someone is morally wrong just because a book tells us.
It's a sad world if we don't take our responsibilities to mother nature because we should not worry cause our god will provide.
It's a sad world if we make war for a book.
It's a sad world if kill love in the name of a god.
It's a sad world if we keep lying to children for they might not be able to deal with the trauma's life will bring.
It's a sad world if god ever excisted, for he doesn't care for the living now.
It's a sad world if we life for ever, since it's allready impossible for us to get enought food, drinks, air and living space for those who life today.
get my point?

Sorry but your still stuck in the physical world.

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Are we back with the agnosticism thing again? I already did that. https://gbatemp.net/threads/whats-your-general-opinion-of-christianity.519943/page-9#post-8333534
I would struggle to presently prove anything outside the universe, however there are thousands of competing and incompatible religions to pick from, and infinite if I care to generate such things. All the major world religions have demonstrably false books and a history of attempting to control people (or are offshoots of that) and we have no evidence that any action was ever taken by such a being (unless such a being truly embraces chaos, in which case they are pointless). As the claim of a god is then a very hard to make one it is not entirely illogical to go with as it is an outrageous claim I am going with "none" pending evidence of that.


Also where does faith and love come into that? I can see those in an MRI machine in those that suffer such things (contrasting it with people that don't suffer from such maladies) and otherwise replicate things under controlled conditions or observations of the world.

In what manner does MRI prove the existence of Love, Faith, etc?
Are you suggesting that you can determine what a person is thinking "word for word" from an MRI. Kind of a stretch isn't it? Lets fill the court rooms with MRIs.

 

[Varon12]

Religion is a crutch for the weak that have a need they don't understand. Ignorance is Bliss.
Also anyone who takes their faith seriously should know the amount of hateful shitflinging they incur by whipping out their religion and flopping it in the breeze.