Woman fired after video goes viral - people say it was racist, but is it?

[Song of storms]

Dumb sensational bullshit, why are you people bickering over this?
Does this really deserve a thread here?

Because a woman has lost a job for something that is nowhere to be seen in this viral video. A life ruined because of an accusation with no evidence. Yes, her behavior could be considered as bitchy, but there was no racism. Yet she has lost her job because of "racism". This is so fucked up that yes, it deserves a thread.


EDIT: by the way, this wasn't deleted yet. Really makes you wonder if the whole "don't flame" is only directed to one side.

 

[PanTheFaun]

Because a woman has lost a job for something that is nowhere to be seen in this viral video. A life ruined because of an accusation with no evidence. Yes, her behavior could be considered as bitchy, but there was no racism. Yet she has lost her job because of "racism". This is so fucked up that yes, it deserves a thread.

I always thought a person was innocent until proven guilty? I guess it doesn't work that way anymore.

 

[DinohScene]

Because a woman has lost a job for something that is nowhere to be seen in this viral video. A life ruined because of an accusation with no evidence. Yes, her behavior could be considered as bitchy, but there was no racism. Yet she has lost her job because of "racism". This is so fucked up that yes, it deserves a thread.


EDIT: by the way, this wasn't deleted yet. Really makes you wonder if the whole "don't flame" is only directed to one side.

If you want me honest opinion about the situation then you'd be surprised.
Or perhaps you might have seen it from a mile away if you know me well.

As for your linked content.
Report and it shall be dealt with.
I'm not the only mod on this site you know.

 

[Song of storms]

If you want me honest opinion about the situation then you'd be surprised.
Or perhaps you might have seen it from a mile away if you know me well.

As for your linked content.
Report and it shall be dealt with.
I'm not the only mod on this site you know.

You asked if this news deserved a thread and I answered you. I also reported that post several hours ago.

 

[DinohScene]

You asked if this news deserved a thread and I answered you. I also reported that post several hours ago.

Again, I'm not the only mod on this site.
I was asleep several hours ago and another mod might have rejected it.

 

[CORE]

A White Woman stopped a Black Man. Not a Woman stopped a Man. Listen to the News Anchor spreading Crap and inciting Nonsense.

 

[Taleweaver]

Certainly an interesting viewpoint and I like your analogy with the math teacher.

I do, however, believe that just assuming malicious intent has set a dangerous precedent in recent times.
It has lead to a situation where people are afraid to speak up or criticize because they will be labeled as a *phobe, bigot, racist or nazi and that just isn't right.

I feel like that when people make an argument to not just assume this situation happened because of racism that they're making an argument to be more civil and kind. I would imagine this situation could've totally been defused in a number of ways but the young gentleman's first instinct was to assume racism and things escalated from there.

Hmm...I'm not sure I find anything wrong with assuming maliciousness. Or more precise: I do, but more in the general terms. Not too long ago, there were those...not as much commercials, but rather the "informative" kind. Unless that it wasn't about informing people of the hazards of alzheimer or heart diseases but rather to be wary of others. A general "be cautious". That obviously doesn't gel well if "being cautious" (what could be what miss Mueller is about here) is being done wrong. But at the same time you can't tell people to be "less cautious" either. I mean...I remember a line from an action movie I once saw: "just how exactly does a 'suspicious truck' look like? ".

In my view, people shouldn't be afraid to speak up or criticize...well...anything. But they should be considerate. If it was Mueller's intention to find out if Toles really lived there, she could have worded things differently. If she didn't believe him, she should have said that. It's still not a pleasant experience - let's face it: there is no pleasant way to tell someone that you think they're a burglar - but at least she'd come across as an overly worried neighbor rather than a bigot or - indeed - a racist.


Oh...but I forgot to mention something: being fired for it is a bridge to far, as far as I'm concerned. Unless her employer knows more than is on the news, they too act on the basic assumption of racism. And that indeed goes against the very principle of "innocent until proven guilty". Even if it is racism...the act of getting fired isn't helping anyone (heck...from that "positive waves of energy" comment of Toles, I take it that he didn't that to happen either). Rather the contrary.

 

[kuwanger]

I always thought a person was innocent until proven guilty? I guess it doesn't work that way anymore.

Missouri is an "at will" employment State, like most States in the US. That means a person can be fired for any reason or no reason, short of a short list of protected classes/reasons. So, yes, you can literally chose to fire someone because they're innocent. If you don't like this, perhaps you should lobby against "at will" employment?

 

[supersonicwaffle]

Thank you for your reply.

Ignoring the watermarks and the rest of the video, there doesn't appear to be any other edits.

Thank you. This one has the same edits / cuts as the one that I was watching which was posted by NBC. There's a pretty blatant edit with a rotating effect when he opens the door. I'm not trying to imply things but I'd be very interested in the unedited footage.

Expect she is being extremely rude by literally trying to say that he doesn't live there, then trying to impose onto him the entire time she's stalking him. She's literally stalking him as he's trying to get to his place, that's trying to say he doesn't live at. Her saying it was fine that he was recording her doesn't mean anything.

Well I do think context matters and that we have very little. As I'm from Germany I don't know about apartment complexes and how they're laid out in the US and how well people living within the building know each other. We also don't know whether there's been any problems with people entering just as someone was leaving.
I've personally been in a situation where someone tried to enter a house in this manner that we were living in, pretending to be a chimney sweeper. Only our landlord's family and we were living in the house, we denied entry and after talking to our landlord later on that day he said there was no way it could've been their regular chimney sweeper, we've all been genuinely worried for a while after this.
When I was living with my parents in an apartment building there were also sales representatives entering the building in this way and they would ring on everyone's door which most of the residents felt was annoying.

So an extremely snarky comment means what? She wasn't trying to say hi nor was she trying to be polite at the end. That being said, being "polite" (because she wasn't being polite) doesn't mean anything compared to her actions. She stopped him, then harassed him, and then stalked him.

I don't know, I don't even want to interpret whether she was polite, impolite, snarky or whatever. Some people are weird and it can lead to genuine misunderstandings. What I do believe though is that this whole situation could've been defused if both talked to each other like neighbours living in the same building instead of randrom strangers somewhere in the street.

I watched a video of a woman randomly blocking a dude and then literally stalk him to his home for literally no logical reason outside of the obvious reason, which is that it was racially motivated based on her actions.

Ok I think I understand you better now, although I do have to disagree.
I watched a video of a woman who tried to block a dude she doesn't know going into the building she lives in as she opened the door. To me, that's the obvious logical reason and I just can't make a logical connection to "because he's black", maybe because that would be such a non-factor to me.
Mind you we couldn't see their inital interaction, it surely took him at least some time to whip out his phone and hit record. He also absolutely did not try to deescalate, did not introduce himself, refused to reveal which unit he lives in, refused to confirm he does have a working keycard / transponder and then (if she is to be believed, you can barely make it out in the video) he pushed his way in. I'd be hard pressed to say I would not be suspicious at this point.

TBH I just chalk this situation up to two people having a bad day

 

[PanTheFaun]

Missouri is an "at will" employment State, like most States in the US. That means a person can be fired for any reason or no reason, short of a short list of protected classes/reasons. So, yes, you can literally chose to fire someone because they're innocent. If you don't like this, perhaps you should lobby against "at will" employment?

You feel better now? You done? I'm not talking about her losing her job but her being considered racist when there is no proof.

 

[kuwanger]

I'm not talking about her losing her job but her being considered racist when there is no proof.

Racism isn't a crime, so you can't be "guilty" of being racist. Nor can you be "innocent" of being racist for that matter. If your complaint is merely that she is being ill described, then I'd guess you're a big support of the LGTBQ movement? I'd also guess you're against the heavy misuse of the terms "IslamoFasicst", "Socialism", and "Fake News"?

 

[DeadlyFoez]

I am quite disgusted and disappointing in what I have read in the comments! So many of you are jumping on the bandwagon of assumption here. What this woman did what to try to keep things safe for everyone in the building. She never made any mention of race, and race has nothing to do with it.

Picture yourself in her situation. You live in a big condo/apartment complex. There is already an issue and concern of people who do not belong in the building consistently sneaking in to break into units to steal shit. You are on your way to leave the building to walk your dog and there is a person waiting by one of the non-main entrances. As soon as you open the door to leave, this person tries to go into the building.

Yes. That seems sketchy. Doesn't matter the skin color. The person was not already using their key or keyfob to try to enter the building, instead they waiting until someone was leaving so they could get by the already open door. That is exactly what criminals do.

When you live in a building like that, the safety of everyone is everyones concern! She had never seen this person before. All he had to do was just show some sort of proof, like the keyfob or the key, like she requested, and the situation would have been over and done with. He decided to make an issue out of it, resist, and make it more difficult. It was a simple request.

If this dude was a criminal then she certainly put herself at risk to get attacked, stabbed, shot, or raped. She put aside all concerns of her own safety for the purpose of the safety of everyone else in the building. I APPLAUD THIS WOMAN. She was brave!

Too many people turn away these days saying "it is none of my business", but then bitch and complain when something bad happens to them and they say "Why didn't anyone step in and do something about this.

It is EVERYONE else saying this is about RACE... WHEN IT IS NOT!!!! Stop being like those feminist tumblr scum bags that want to jump on any SJW mob squad and start attacking people without a single hint of proof about the claims.

I would have done the same damn thing regardless of color, sex, religion, sexual orientation, or whatever.

Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups.

 

[PanTheFaun]

Racism isn't a crime, so you can't be "guilty" of being racist. Nor can you be "innocent" of being racist for that matter. If your complaint is merely that she is being ill described, then I'd guess you're a big support of the LGTBQ movement? I'd also guess you're against the heavy misuse of the terms "IslamoFasicst", "Socialism", and "Fake News"?

Like I said it's innocent until proven guilty and yet people are already calling her a racist with no proof. I'm against something that can make someone lose their job without proof. I don't support the LGTBQ movement.

 

[Song of storms]

Missouri is an "at will" employment State, like most States in the US. That means a person can be fired for any reason or no reason, short of a short list of protected classes/reasons. So, yes, you can literally chose to fire someone because they're innocent. If you don't like this, perhaps you should lobby against "at will" employment?

The "at will" employment doesn't cover decisions taken illegally. Judging by the company's website, it's very clear that they acknowledge her being racist and want nothing to do with it. This is slander and it is illegal.

 

[CORE]

Everyone is an (ist) nowadays.

 

[kuwanger]

Responsible for or chargeable with a reprehensible act; deserving of blame

Racism isn't an act. Nor is one inherently deserving of blame for being racist. One would be "guilty" of an act that is motivated by racism for the act itself.

The "at will" employment doesn't cover decisions taken illegally. Judging by the company's website, it's very clear that they acknowledge her being racist and want nothing to do with it. This is slander and it is illegal.

Uh, again, only protected classes/reasons (not including contracts) are covered under illegal terminations in "at will" employment. Slandering her would be a basis for her to sue them, but them being wrong or slandering a person doesn't magically make the termination illegal.

 

[DinohScene]

And this is exactly why I hate this section.
GG temp.