That's why it's useless to talk with them. They assume what Melee fans ask for then they use arguments such as "not the same color" or "4 is Melee-ish enough" which are clearly wrong. About the first one, see how Project M has skins that were not from Melee at all, and "even" maps that are created from scratch, and no Melee fan complains. About the second one, yeah, 4 is a viable Smash game (unlike the terrible Super Mario Kart Brawl), but it doesn't mean it's Melee-like. It's as if saying that Windows is the same as Linux because you can browse gbatemp on Firefox on both....How, exactly, is Sm4sh anything like Melee?