Yet another woman accuses governor Cuomo of Sexual harassement.

[Shenrai]

While the accusations may be true I have learned to become a heavy cynic after all the baseless accusations recently. Innocent until Proven Guilty after all.

 

[AmandaRose]

. No matter what statistics you look at, the vast majority of rape and sexual assault is never reported.

Exactly I will just leave this to back up your post.

or it could be the woman's fault depending on the facts of the case.

That is the most disgusting thing I have read on the temp. There is NO excuse for rape.

 

[AkiraKurusu]

This is some straight-up incel-like bogeyman shit. You realise how little the justice system actually offers to women? As someone who used to be close friends with a rapist (before he told me what he did, obviously), the two women sought action against him and nothing ever happened despite him saying that he did it. When I saw that happen, I knew why women don't report things to the police. It's fucking useless. No matter what statistics you look at, the vast majority of rape and sexual assault is never reported.

Exactly I will just leave this to back up your post.

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That is the most disgusting thing I have read on the temp. There is NO excuse for rape.

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That still does not entitle women to posting accusations about horrific crimes online where the court of public opinion (which does not care a single whit about "presumption of innocence" or evidence or the truth) can instantly destroy the accused's life.
It's still ethically and morally better to go to the police and not post about it online. Legal courts may not be perfect, but they are still leagues superior to public opinion courts.

 

[TheDreamLord]

That still does not entitle women to posting accusations about horrific crimes online where the court of public opinion (which does not care a single whit about "presumption of innocence" or evidence or the truth) can instantly destroy the accused's life.
It's still ethically and morally better to go to the police and not post about it online. Legal courts may not be perfect, but they are still leagues superior to public opinion courts.

Please give me some examples of where a false accusation has actually ruined someone's life irreparably because I've seen plenty of people who were credibly accused still waltz on as if nothing had happened. Given that the statistics are heavily weighted towards nearly all women having faced some form of sexual harassment (and a sizable number have been raped), I don't understand why you'd go "oh but she could be lying" when statistics show that a potential maximum of 10% of claims are false. This statistic could be as low as 2%, from the same study.

To be clear: that's in the range of 1 in 10 to 1 in 50, and both are low enough that I guarantee you any woman in your life would find it very strange you would latch on to such low numbers to defend someone.

 

[Silent_Gunner]

Exactly I will just leave this to back up your post.

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That is the most disgusting thing I have read on the temp. There is NO excuse for rape.

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And I shall quote the Old Testament, because it would appear that you're a Christian based on some of the pictures of yourself that you've uploaded to this site...not that it wouldn't make you one of those who would be told to depart from God's presence in the afterlife, for he never knew you, but still:

23 If a damsel that is a virgin be nbetrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; ohumbled his neighbour’s wife: pso thou shalt put away evil from among you. ||force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die: 26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: 27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.

The first case implies a consensual encounter that the woman legitimately enjoyed and was worthy of tht death penalty for along with the man she was sleeping with. The latter implies that the two were completely alone, and the rapist forced himself onto the girl.

And women know how they're communicating things with how they dress. When they dress and cover things up, not necessarily to the extent that Muslim women do, but they draw more focus to themselves as a person and not their body. Whereas 5/6 of those are her being in a state of dress that, alone in a room with another man around her age, those who might perceive the situation from afar would have good reason to believe that the two of them might try to do something outside of the view of everyone else, and it doesn't take being an adult to figure out what a post-puberty man and woman might want to do with each other when they're alone and there's no one to hold them accountable to a higher standard. It's human nature for them to want to pursue each other's bodies for short term pleasure in the majority of the population.

That's just how it is.

@TheDreamLord And the thing about statistics is that sample sizes can't include everyone in a population, and that if one were to take certain numbers out of the equation, you might get lower or higher numbers to present more sensational results for the purposes of tabloids, mainstream news, and fake news sites to distort and make claims that, upon closer scrutiny, may not actually hold up.

 

[TheDreamLord]

And I shall quote the Old Testament, because it would appear that you're a Christian based on some of the pictures of yourself that you've uploaded to this site...not that it wouldn't make you one of those who would be told to depart from God's presence in the afterlife, for he never knew you, but still:

23 If a damsel that is a virgin be nbetrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; ohumbled his neighbour’s wife: pso thou shalt put away evil from among you. ||force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die: 26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: 27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.

The first case implies a consensual encounter that the woman legitimately enjoyed and was worthy of tht death penalty for along with the man she was sleeping with. The latter implies that the two were completely alone, and the rapist forced himself onto the girl.

And women know how they're communicating things with how they dress. When they dress and cover things up, not necessarily to the extent that Muslim women do, but they draw more focus to themselves as a person and not their body. Whereas 5/6 of those are her being in a state of dress that, alone in a room with another man around her age, those who might perceive the situation from afar would have good reason to believe that the two of them might try to do something outside of the view of everyone else, and it doesn't take being an adult to figure out what a post-puberty man and woman might want to do with each other when they're alone and there's no one to hold them accountable to a higher standard. It's human nature for them to want to pursue each other's bodies for short term pleasure in the majority of the population.

That's just how it is.

@TheDreamLord And the thing about statistics is that sample sizes can't include everyone in a population, and that if one were to take certain numbers out of the equation, you might get lower or higher numbers to present more sensational results for the purposes of tabloids, mainstream news, and fake news sites to distort and make claims that, upon closer scrutiny, may not actually hold up.

Ignoring the rest of your utter drivel as it shouldn't even be dignified with a response, it's clear you don't understand basic statistics if that's what you have to say. I also can't help but think you didn't actually read the paper I linked, as it was a study conducted by investigating every sexual assault allegation in a university in Idaho over a 10 year period. You can extrapolate these findings to the rest of the population, hence a confidence interval of 2% < x < 10%.

 

[Silent_Gunner]

If you're going to ignore what I said, then I can ignore the cherry picked study you chose and everything you said. Golden rule, you know?

 

[Xzi]

To the police, yes - NOT ONLINE to ruin the accused's reputation, get him fired from his job/evicted from university and blacklisted, and destroy his relationships.
There's a stark difference between the two, that you seemingly fail to grasp.

I'm not failing to grasp that, I already addressed it, in case you weren't paying attention. For your average person, Twitter isn't involved at all, and nobody is going to hear about it unless/until charges are formally filed.

Good principles and practices never age. They are timeless.

Even the Bible...

Tell that to the old testament lol. Shit gets tossed all the time when it's no longer applicable to modern society. Which is why we have thousands of different sects of Christianity all arguing over which parts of the bible should and shouldn't be taken literally.

And I quote you: "I don't share your need to play the role of victim. Maybe because I've never once been discriminated against for being a straight white male. Then again, I'm sure neither have you."

White privilege doesn't exist according to this statement. If it did, then I shouldn't have had to work at Walmart stocking shelves.

You seem to be just as confused about the definition of white privilege as you were about the definition of toxic masculinity. White privilege DOES NOT mean every white person is born into immense wealth and never has to work a day in their lives. What it DOES mean is that when comparing a white person and a POC of similar socioeconomic backgrounds, the white person on average will be presented with more opportunities and have fewer conflicts with authority figures throughout their life. It's an issue of systemic racism, not racism on the individual level.

 

[chrisrlink]

funny how gta is getting slammed again by the GOP this time for the mistreatment of women maybe they should look at their colleagues first before they harp on a game namely Coumo and former president trump to name 2

 

[Elvasat]

Please give me some examples of where a false accusation has actually ruined someone's life irreparably because I've seen plenty of people who were credibly accused still waltz on as if nothing had happened. Given that the statistics are heavily weighted towards nearly all women having faced some form of sexual harassment (and a sizable number have been raped), I don't understand why you'd go "oh but she could be lying" when statistics show that a potential maximum of 10% of claims are false. This statistic could be as low as 2%, from the same study.

To be clear: that's in the range of 1 in 10 to 1 in 50, and both are low enough that I guarantee you any woman in your life would find it very strange you would latch on to such low numbers to defend someone.

And that means that we always have to assume that a woman is right when she accuses someone of rape, not even bother to investigate or gather proof first? Democrats truly have a twisted sense of justice.

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And 8 of 10 rape victims had previous contact to the perpetrator. That happens when women go for thugs and registred sex offenders.

 

[Xzi]

funny how gta is getting slammed again by the GOP this time for the mistreatment of women maybe they should look at their colleagues first before they harp on a game namely Coumo and former president trump to name 2

I mean fuck Cuomo too, but yeah it's obvious that Republicans don't actually care about this issue at all unless the accused has a (D) in front of their name. They never hold their own accountable for it.

 

[chrisrlink]

one reason why I'm still aiming to get the fuck out of here it seems more likely now than ever (since some non family is FINALLY willing to help if my family even know they'd take my rights away in a heartbeat)

 

[AmandaRose]

That happens when women go for thugs and registred sex offenders.

For one that is a classic case of victim blaming. There is no excuse for someone to commit rape.

Secondly Only 23% of rape victims are raped by their partner/ex partner which makes your above statement even more wrong. It's a fact more women are raped by other family members and family friends.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-scotland-43128350

 

[Silent_Gunner]

I'm not failing to grasp that, I already addressed it, in case you weren't paying attention. For your average person, Twitter isn't involved at all, and nobody is going to hear about it unless/until charges are formally filed.


Tell that to the old testament lol. Shit gets tossed all the time when it's no longer applicable to modern society. Which is why we have thousands of different sects of Christianity all arguing over which parts of the bible should and shouldn't be taken literally.


You seem to be just as confused about the definition of white privilege as you were about the definition of toxic masculinity. White privilege DOES NOT mean every white person is born into immense wealth and never has to work a day in their lives. What it DOES mean is that when comparing a white person and a POC of similar socioeconomic backgrounds, the white person on average will be presented with more opportunities and have fewer conflicts with authority figures throughout their life. It's an issue of systemic racism, not racism on the individual level.

The OT is never completely nullified by the NT. What the NT did was replace the need for animal sacrifices for the forgiveness of sins for the people of Israel. All of that was supposedly fulfilled with Jesus' first coming, getting crucified, buried, and rising again. Stuff like the Mosaic Law and the stories, proverbs, and everything else between is as much a part of Christianity as it is Judeaism, it's just that Christians believe Jesus to be the Messiah, where as the latter didn't believe and still generally don't view Jesus as being the Messiah. Try harder.

And arguing about anything regarding justice is a lost cause as long as you keep using subjectivity as the basis for your logic and reasoning as opposed to the objectivity for mine.

 

[Xzi]

The OT is never completely nullified by the NT.

Nobody pays any attention to or follows the scriptures of the old testament any more except a few fringe sects, usually pretty radical in nature.

And arguing about anything regarding justice is a lost cause as long as you keep using subjectivity as the basis for your logic and reasoning as opposed to the objectivity for mine.

"I'm arguing solely on behalf of myself and what I believe benefits or disadvantages me, that's called objectivity."

Lmao.

 

[Silent_Gunner]

Nobody pays any attention to or follows the scriptures of the old testament any more except a few fringe sects, usually pretty radical in nature.

No one follows the scriptures of the OT...except for every law system based on both it and the Code of Hammurabi.

 

[Xzi]

No one follows the scriptures of the OT...except for every law system based on both it and the Code of Hammurabi.

"Loosely inspired by" is hardly the same thing as taking the texts literally and living your life in a manner that conforms to them. Though obviously yes, plenty of laws still in place today are nearly as draconian as the old testament, based on it or not.

 

[Silent_Gunner]

"I'm arguing solely on behalf of myself and what I believe benefits or disadvantages me, that's called objectivity."

Lmao.

I'm LMAOing myself because you got objective and subjective backwards; subjective is based on feelings, whereas objective is based on facts.

Subjective is like saying why you like Mountain Dew as opposed to Coca-Cola. Objective is where you present the facts of something as they are.

For example, the facts about the Jonestown Massacre are that Jim Jones (who, btw, was a socialist) convinced his entire church to follow him to Guyana, and upon Congressman Leo Ryan and other operatives who tried to take back who they could and get a ground zero perspective (or as ground zero as one can get when Jim Jones makes everything look a lot nicer than it actually is when the congressman isn't around) on what was going on, plants inside the escape group ended up shooting and killing just about everyone aboard the plane trying to escape, Leo Ryan included. Jim Jones, knowing that the congressman not returning to the US would spell certain doom to come for him and his followers, got all together in a church, and were forced to drink flavor aid (I guess it's supposed to be similar to kool-aid, don't know if it's still around) laced with cyanide. Those who saw what was happening and tried to escape were shot down, and no one was spared. Men, women, children, all ages, were compelled to drink this stuff, with those who were resistant being overpowered and having it forced down their throat.


That is an objective account of what happened, and just one example out of many of socialism's failures, many of which occurred in the 20th century.

One can speculate subjectively about how Jim Jones met his end based on what we know; was he shot by one of the guards, did he shoot himself, did he drink the flavor aid mixture, was the whole thing an op by the CIA, etc.. But the objective facts are that Jim Jones led sheep to the slaughter as a wolf dressed in sheep's clothing, as the old sayings go.

 

[Xzi]

I'm LMAOing myself because you got objective and subjective backwards; subjective is based on feelings, whereas objective is based on facts.

I was mimicking/mocking you, genius.

That is an objective account of what happened, and just one example out of many of socialism's failures, many of which occurred in the 20th century.

Again, unprompted and irrelevant. We were talking about the bible. If you're such an objective thinker, you should have no problem also listing off capitalism's many failings, for instance that it always interferes with democratically-elected socialists in other countries. Or that its yearly body count is quite high.

 

[Silent_Gunner]

I was mimicking/mocking you, genius.


Again, unprompted and irrelevant. We were talking about the bible. If you're such an objective thinker, you should have no problem also listing off capitalism's many failings, for instance that it always interferes with democratically-elected socialists in other countries. Or that its yearly body count is quite high.

Are you referring to Gaddafi and the Obama admin's failings in foreign policy in the Middle East?

And yearly body count in what? Workplace deaths? Suicides? Homicides? Because I can imagine that whatever was happening pre-COVID isn't as bad as currently-COVID worldwide.