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No clue where you got that idea, the flag on my profile has always been US. Specifically I live in Colorado, if you must know. Perhaps you're confusing me for someone else with a Zero avatar?


True, but that all-time low was still in the 40% range.


https://news.yahoo.com/conservatives-made-gold-colored-trump-023853128.html


The only person who might challenge him for the nomination, DeSantis, does everything possible to mimic his mannerisms and mode of speech. The party is going to have an extremely tough time breaking away entirely from the impact Trump has had on it.


You'd have to be more specific, there were hundreds of instances of Trump doing or saying something that could reasonably be construed as racist.

1. No no, i know it was you because you are one of a few mentally ill people that litter the board with almost constant activity, but i remember specifically because you verbally assaulted myself and another user probably on a similarly topic claiming you werent from the US.

2. Ok so less than half of people, lets knock off another 5 for pandering what does that leave, 35% ? more love brandon if i understand my math properly.

3. lol ok you got me with that one, weird that you arent in the US and know that ( btw i have a bit of a beef with your "state" btw)

4. i dont think thats true lemme check... yep not true at all, check

5. but only one specific to a promise that you know about and you are petrified again
 

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1. No no, i know it was you because you are one of a few mentally ill people that litter the board with almost constant activity, but i remember specifically because you verbally assaulted myself and another user probably on a similarly topic claiming you werent from the US.
Again, you must be misremembering. I've mentioned a desire to move out of the US in the past, but I was born here and have lived here almost my entire life. Spent just a few years in Germany while I was a toddler and my dad was still in the military.

2. Ok so less than half of people, lets knock off another 5 for pandering what does that leave, 35% ? more love brandon if i understand my math properly.
Approval rating is not the same as worship, it's focused on the tangible results produced by a president's time in office.

i have a bit of a beef with your "state" btw
I don't care. Texans also claim to dislike us, yet every year they travel here in mass for marijuana tourism.

4. i dont think thats true lemme check... yep not true at all, check
I can tell you didn't really check because of how little time this took to post, so here you go:



5. but only one specific to a promise that you know about and you are petrified again
No fucking clue what this is supposed to mean. Are you talking about the border wall? If so, I'd say that while the concept is moronic, it's not necessarily racist. It's the intent behind it that could be interpreted that way, however.
 

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Again, you must be misremembering. I've mentioned a desire to move out of the US in the past, but I was born here and have lived here almost my entire life. Spent just a few years in Germany while I was a toddler and my dad was still in the military.


Approval rating is not the same as worship, it's focused on the tangible results produced by a president's time in office.


I don't care. Texans also claim to dislike us, yet every year they travel here in mass for marijuana tourism.


I can tell you didn't really check because of how little time this took to post, so here you go:




No fucking clue what this is supposed to mean. Are you talking about the border wall? If so, I'd say that while the concept is moronic, it's not necessarily racist. It's the intent behind it that could be interpreted that way, however.


well the intent thing is obviously wrong, but yea, took your time getting there. See this is the problem, you link to one source, that is an opinion, and you take it as fact, this is how these problems begin.

i was trying to make a joke to try to humanize you a bit with the "colorado thing" the joke being i wish boebert wouldve lost, i wouldve loved to see her onlyfans. btw i actually also/actually live in a communist state, whats up brotha!

yes i often dont check things that dont make sense thats true.

The most important thing is the first part, if i can prove not only the verbal assault ( which is pretty common, though im guessing with a mod around you are behaving) will you at LEAST bring out the alter that made the claim?
 

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That's not what I'm suggesting, I'm simply saying losses shouldn't be subtracted from taxes owed unless that would put a person in serious financial jeopardy, which is never the case for billionaires and corporations. Let 'em eat the loss, their failures are their own, and smaller fish have to be allowed to succeed where they could not.
I'm sorry, I'm not going to agree to use the tax code as a weapon against individuals. We all know the government will abuse that power.
Our military is larger and more well-funded than the next ten countries combined, while our infrastructure, healthcare, and education systems rank as some of the worst among developed nations. So it'd be far more prudent to take 20% from the former, put 10% of it toward the latter, and the other 10% toward paying down the debt.
Except infrastructure, healthcare and education are not responsibilities outlined in the Constitution. We should stop forcing the states to give their tax money to the federal government and they can spend it on infrastructure, healthcare and education. It'll cut out the middlemen. We know the bureaucrats skim that money off the top.
Lol you've never seen Billy Madison? Highly recommend, was a much better era for comedy movies.
Billy Madison is a classic. Lol
It's a chicken versus egg type situation. Big banks and weapons manufacturers funded GWB's campaign, so it was inevitable that he'd give them kickbacks in the form of legalized predatory loan schemes and imperialist invasions that would turn into forever wars. Both the people in charge of government and the people in charge of those corporations at the time deserve all the blame that comes their way.
Rich people fund both parties, hence the moniker "uniparty". Look no further than Bankman-Fried. He gave millions to both Democrats and Republicans with the billions he stole. And he's on house arrest. Who is protecting him? The rabbit hole that is FTX goes so much deeper than dark money, PAC's and NGO's. I'm looking forward to watching this story unfold.
 

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I'm sorry, I'm not going to agree to use the tax code as a weapon against individuals.
I mean if that's how you want to interpret it, it's already being used as a weapon against the poor. Might as well use it against people who can actually afford to take the hit instead.

Except infrastructure, healthcare and education are not responsibilities outlined in the Constitution.
It doesn't matter, there's nobody else who's going to step in to take care of those vital public resources, and it's much better that our tax dollars go toward those things than corporate welfare and building bombs.

We should stop forcing the states to give their tax money to the federal government and they can spend it on infrastructure, healthcare and education.
Uhh that's not how things work...state and federal taxes are two different things. State governments are not large enough to support those services on their own, unless perhaps you want state tax rates raised exponentially. And even then you'd have heated arguments over which states are responsible for maintaining interstate highways.

Rich people fund both parties
They do, but that doesn't change the fact that each administration is responsible for their own decisions. Obama can't be blamed for 9/11 any more than Trump can be blamed for the Hindenburg. Voters can only make informed decisions based on observable results.
 
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I mean if that's how you want to interpret it, it's already being used as a weapon against the poor. Might as well use it against people who can actually afford to take the hit instead.


It doesn't matter, there's nobody else who's going to step in to take care of those vital public resources, and it's much better that our tax dollars go toward those things than corporate welfare and building bombs.


Uhh that's not how things work...state and federal taxes are two different things. State governments are not large enough to support those services on their own, unless perhaps you want state tax rates raised exponentially. And even then you'd have heated arguments over which states are responsible for maintaining interstate highways.


They do, but that doesn't change the fact that each administration is responsible for their own decisions. Obama can't be blamed for 9/11 any more than Trump can be blamed for the Hindenburg. Voters can only make informed decisions based on observable results.

doesnt maddow blame everything on trump?
 

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I mean if that's how you want to interpret it, it's already being used as a weapon against the poor. Might as well use it against people who can actually afford to take the hit instead.
That's why I suggested eliminating the tax code for the poor. It wasn't supposed to be for them or us initially. It was sold as only being for the rich and then of course, the government couldn't help itself and came after everybody.
It doesn't matter, there's nobody else who's going to step in to take care of those vital public resources, and it's much better that our tax dollars go toward those things than corporate welfare and building bombs.
States can pay for their own stuff. There's no reason why my tax dollars should go to building road in California if I live in Florida. There's a reason why we have state legislators and governors. Make them work for a change.
Uhh that's not how things work...state and federal taxes are two different things. State governments are not large enough to support those services on their own, unless perhaps you want state tax rates raised exponentially. And even then you'd have heated arguments over which states are responsible for maintaining interstate highways.
State governments are large enough to support those services. Where do you think the federal government gets money from besides borrowing it from the Federal Reserve? Remember the argument over blue states supporting red states. That argument would be eliminated. And states can take care of interstate highways that are within their borders. States are more than capable of working together.
They do, but that doesn't change the fact that each administration is responsible for their own decisions. Obama can't be blamed for 9/11 any more than Trump can be blamed for the Hindenburg. Voters can only make informed decisions based on observable results.
Except the observable results are skewed. Take inflation. If we figured inflation the same way we did back in 1980, the rate would be 15%. Unemployment figures have been changed through the years also. Both were changed to make them look better than they really are. Amazing how that happens.
 

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State governments are large enough to support those services.
Some are, some are not. What you're proposing is an end to the United States and dissolution into fifty small individual countries, a number of which would instantly have to be reclassified as third-world, as they're currently operating on a budget deficit. As funny as it would be seeing conservatives unable to cope with their own "rugged survivalist" fantasies, a lot of innocent and apolitical individuals would also suffer and/or die during such a transition.

States are more than capable of working together.
You sure about that? A lot of them seem to have trouble with that as things stand now. The governors of Texas and Florida have been shipping buses of migrants to politicians' houses in blue states, FFS.

Except the observable results are skewed. Take inflation.
They really aren't. People are pissed about inflation and a whole lot of them blame Biden for it, but an equal or greater amount of people are skeptical that Republicans have any real solutions to get it under control. They've become a party of grievances without any policy platform, thus the underwhelming election results for them during midterms.
 

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Some are, some are not. What you're proposing is an end to the United States and dissolution into fifty small individual countries, a number of which would instantly have to be reclassified as third-world, as they're currently operating on a budget deficit. As funny as it would be seeing conservatives unable to cope with their own "rugged survivalist" fantasies, a lot of innocent and apolitical individuals would also suffer and/or die during such a transition.


You sure about that? A lot of them seem to have trouble with that as things stand now. The governors of Texas and Florida have been shipping buses of migrants to politicians' houses in blue states, FFS.


They really aren't. People are pissed about inflation and a whole lot of them blame Biden for it, but an equal or greater amount of people are skeptical that Republicans have any real solutions to get it under control. They've become a party of grievances without any policy platform, thus the underwhelming election results for them during midterms.
It's because they have nothing but complaints, with no solutions on how to fix things. Instead, they just try to push horrible shit that literally makes everything worse for regular Americans, like trying to gut Medicare and Social Security for example. They KNOW people need those things to survive, and they just don't give two shits. They don't value the lives of humans after they're born.
 
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no one cares. all you do is spew out garbage that not a single person gives a shit about.

and why should he donate his salary? I don't see you donating yours at all. Also, fuck paying taxes. That bs shouldn't even exist.
He said he would donate it.

doesnt maddow blame everything on trump?
How do you know trump isn't to blame for everything he's accused of?
 
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Well libertarians are essentially the original MAGA crowd, after all. Anything bad that ever happens in the world must somehow be government's fault, including when there are consequences for corporations getting exactly what they asked for from the politicians they funded and helped elect.

"I choose business ethics."

Libertarians:

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I don’t know what this has to do with ethics. If someone asked me if I want free money with no strings attached, the answer is always yes.
 
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Some are, some are not. What you're proposing is an end to the United States and dissolution into fifty small individual countries, a number of which would instantly have to be reclassified as third-world, as they're currently operating on a budget deficit. As funny as it would be seeing conservatives unable to cope with their own "rugged survivalist" fantasies, a lot of innocent and apolitical individuals would also suffer and/or die during such a transition.
That's how the country was designed to work. What we have now is unsustainable and will not last.
You sure about that? A lot of them seem to have trouble with that as things stand now. The governors of Texas and Florida have been shipping buses of migrants to politicians' houses in blue states, FFS.
That's called sharing the burden. If blue states and cities can't afford illegal aliens, how are the poor red states supposed to deal with it? It's easy being a sanctuary state/city when your state/city don't have to deal with hundreds of thousands to millions of illegal aliens per year.
They really aren't. People are pissed about inflation and a whole lot of them blame Biden for it, but an equal or greater amount of people are skeptical that Republicans have any real solutions to get it under control. They've become a party of grievances without any policy platform, thus the underwhelming election results for them during midterms.
What we know for sure is that the Biden admin lied to us about inflation, calling it transitory when everybody on right was saying it is not. Same goes for illegal aliens. El Paso just had to clean up the area Biden is visiting so he doesn't have to look at all of those dirty brown people. Name one thing that has been done to fix inflation in the past 2 years.

The midterms was Mitch McConnell's fault. That's why Biden just went to go thank him the other day. I'm sure his payoff is in the mail as we speak.
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He said he would donate it.


How do you know trump isn't to blame for everything he's accused of?
Because nothing has happened to him after 6 years of multiple investigations. The corporate whore media assured us numerous times that the walls are closing in and this is the beginning of the end for dRumpf. Mueller was a dud, Avenatti is in prison, shampeachments went nowhere and all of the media's attacks have done absolutely nothing except gave Trump more votes in 2020 than he garnered in 2016 when the Russians were hacking our elections through Alfa Bank while he was getting pissed on by hookers in a Moscow hotel.
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It's because they have nothing but complaints, with no solutions on how to fix things. Instead, they just try to push horrible shit that literally makes everything worse for regular Americans, like trying to gut Medicare and Social Security for example. They KNOW people need those things to survive, and they just don't give two shits. They don't value the lives of humans after they're born.
Hate to break it to you but we are still living under record inflation after 2 years, the supply line is still screwed up, World War III is trying to start in Ukraine and now Taiwan, energy prices are going up again, food prices are out of control, the border is wide open with the population of Houston crossing over last year alone, the Taliban has billions of military equipment and Saudi Arabia has been given immunity for the murder of Kashoggi.

How long do we need to wait before these fabled Democrat policies start working?

And what does your comment have anything to do with dRumpf's taxes? Is he going to jail yet for paying exactly what he was supposed to pay? Those walls that are closing in sure do move slowly.
 
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I don’t know what this has to do with ethics. If someone asked me if I want free money with no strings attached, the answer is always yes.
Except everybody involved knew the money wasn't free, and that there were strings attached. Feigning ignorance after the fact was not going to stop the torches and pitchforks from coming out.

That's how the country was designed to work.
Show me one instance of a founding father suggesting we divide the land into fifty small countries. It was never on the table.

That's called sharing the burden.
No, it's called petty and childish. If governors are wasting their taxpayers' money on such asinine stunts, there's zero chance they're competent enough to run their own countries.

If blue states and cities can't afford illegal aliens, how are the poor red states supposed to deal with it?
They receive a high amount of compensation from the federal government for their migrant populations. Make Texas its own country, and it would quickly be overtaken by Mexican drug cartels. Not that that would necessarily cause a decline in quality of life down there from where it sits now. :lol:

What we know for sure is that the Biden admin lied to us about inflation, calling it transitory when everybody on right was saying it is not.
And yet inflation has tapered off over the last few months. Even I was expecting an economic crash prior to that, but it didn't happen.

The midterms was Mitch McConnell's fault.
That once again runs contrary to observable results. Trump-endorsed candidates were absolutely obliterated during this last election cycle. You give yourself no chance to win when you run candidates that are all flash and no substance, such as Dr. Oz.
 
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Except everybody involved knew the money wasn't free, and that there were strings attached. Feigning ignorance after the fact was not going to stop the torches and pitchforks from coming out.
Reminds of of free healthcare, free education, free housing, etc.
Show me one instance of a founding father suggesting we divide the land into fifty small countries. It was never on the table.
Show me one instance of a founding father suggesting the federal government pay for healthcare, education and roads.
No, it's called petty and childish. If governors are wasting their taxpayers' money on such asinine stunts, there's zero chance they're competent enough to run their own countries.
What is the difference between governors shipping illegal aliens to blue states and the federal government shipping illegals to red states? Is Biden being petty too?
They receive a high amount of compensation from the federal government for their migrant populations. Make Texas its own country, and it would quickly be overtaken by Mexican drug cartels. Not that that would necessarily cause a decline in quality of life down there from where it sits now. :lol:
We are $30 trillion in debt. This money is being borrowed from the Federal Reserve which means rich people are getting richer at the expense of poor people. And you think this is a good thing?
And yet inflation has tapered off over the last few months. Even I was expecting an economic crash prior to that, but it didn't happen.
Are you really going to claim victory with 7%+ inflation? Weird flex.
That once again runs contrary to observable results. Trump-endorsed candidates were absolutely obliterated during this last election cycle. You give yourself no chance to win when you run candidates that are all flash and no substance, such as Dr. Oz.
Trump has a 90% success rate for the midterms. That's the exact opposite of getting obliterated. Plus, the House is what was important this cycle. Trump only needed the Senate in 2018. And as we just witnessed, it only took 20 of Trump's picks to bring the House to a crawl.
 

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Reminds of of free healthcare, free education, free housing, etc.
Nobody expects that stuff for free, we expect our taxes to pay for it just like any other first-world nation.

Show me one instance of a founding father suggesting the federal government pay for healthcare, education and roads.
That's been common sense from the outset. You can't have a functional society without these things, and there's no other entity that's going to pay for them.

What is the difference between governors shipping illegal aliens to blue states and the federal government shipping illegals to red states? Is Biden being petty too?
Most migrant processing centers are located in red states, and again, those states are compensated fairly for that fact. That's in no way comparable to the political stunts orchestrated by DeSantis and Abbott.

We are $30 trillion in debt.
Which has nothing to do with how we compensate red states for their migrant populations. For that matter, migrant workers fill jobs which would otherwise remain unfilled, contributing positively to the economy.

Are you really going to claim victory with 7%+ inflation? Weird flex.
It was you who claimed that Republicans were correct about inflation not being transitory, but if that was the case it would still be holding steady at 15%+. They were wrong.

Trump has a 90% success rate for the midterms.
I'd ask for a source but it's obvious you pulled this out of your ass. The midterm results were the best for any incumbent party in 70 years.
 

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Nobody expects that stuff for free, we expect our taxes to pay for it just like any other first-world nation.
You can't say that when all we heard during the Obamacare debate was free healthcare. People always say that Medicaid is free healthcare.
That's been common sense from the outset. You can't have a functional society without these things, and there's no other entity that's going to pay for them.
We had a functioning society before the federal government started paying for those things.
Most migrant processing centers are located in red states, and again, those states are compensated fairly for that fact. That's in no way comparable to the political stunts orchestrated by DeSantis and Abbott.
So Biden flying illegal aliens to other red states not located at the border is a stunt also, correct?
Which has nothing to do with how we compensate red states for their migrant populations. For that matter, migrant workers fill jobs which would otherwise remain unfilled, contributing positively to the economy.
That is not true.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/missis...-immigrants-rather-than-hire-black-americans/

Illegal immigration hurts black people the most. The group Democrats are supposedly trying to help.
It was you who claimed that Republicans were correct about inflation not being transitory, but if that was the case it would still be holding steady at 15%+. They were wrong.
Before Biden took office inflation was reported to be 2%. Let me know when it gets back down to that number. Biden doesn't get credit for raiding it 10 points and then lowering it 3 points. That's not success and if Trump was president right now, you'd be saying the same thing.
I'd ask for a source but it's obvious you pulled this out of your ass. The midterm results were the best for any incumbent party in 70 years.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-general-election-endorsements-fared-midterms

So far, Trump appears on track for a roughly 89% success rate with his general election picks, having eked out 233 victories and 28 losses with about seven races outstanding. This is based on the Washington Examiner's tally of 268 endorsements.
 

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You can't say that when all we heard during the Obamacare debate was free healthcare. People always say that Medicaid is free healthcare.
M4A is Bernie's proposed policy, not Obama's, and he's always been clear about where the funding would come from. No sense in cherry picking quotes from laymen who don't understand how anything works, we could go back and forth with those for years.

We had a functioning society before the federal government started paying for those things.
The US was founded before the invention of automobiles and the advent of modern medicine. Yes, we had a functioning society in which people lived exponentially shorter/sicker lives and interstate travel was largely a pipe dream, but there's no going back to the 1800s.

So Biden flying illegal aliens to other red states not located at the border is a stunt also, correct?
Stop with the gaslighting. Immigration services operating as they always have is not a stunt.

That is not true.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/missis...-immigrants-rather-than-hire-black-americans/

Illegal immigration hurts black people the most. The group Democrats are supposedly trying to help.
This could not possibly be further off-topic from the general impact of migrant workers on the economy. It's a single business deciding to be racist with their hiring practices, for which they will pay dearly.

Before Biden took office inflation was reported to be 2%.
And? There was always going to be inflation following a pandemic in which the whole nation temporarily shut down all non-vital businesses and services. It's not something the president had any control over in this instance, especially a president elected to clean up a mess left by his predecessor. Now, if you want to criticize Biden over leaving the federal minimum wage at $7.25, that's something we can get on the same page for.

So far, Trump appears on track for a roughly 89% success rate with his general election picks, having eked out 233 victories and 28 losses with about seven races outstanding. This is based on the Washington Examiner's tally of 268 endorsements.
Oh I see where the disconnect is here: this is including incumbent candidates that were re-elected in safe red districts, which makes it all but meaningless. Prior to the election, Republicans were expected to win far more House seats AND flip the Senate, making the results extremely underwhelming for them. Watch any post-election interview with any politician and it's easy to get a sense of who felt like they really "won" the midterm.
 
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M4A is Bernie's proposed policy, not Obama's, and he's always been clear about where the funding would come from. No sense in cherry picking quotes from laymen who don't understand how anything works, we could go back and forth with those for years.


The US was founded before the invention of automobiles and the advent of modern medicine. Yes, we had a functioning society in which people lived exponentially shorter/sicker lives and interstate travel was largely a pipe dream, but there's no going back to the 1800s.


Stop with the gaslighting. Immigration services operating as they always have is not a stunt.


This could not possibly be further off-topic from the general impact of migrant workers on the economy. It's a single business deciding to be racist with their hiring practices, for which they will pay dearly.


And? There was always going to be inflation following a pandemic in which the whole nation temporarily shut down all non-vital businesses and services. It's not something the president had any control over in this instance, especially a president elected to clean up a mess left by his predecessor. Now, if you want to criticize Biden over leaving the federal minimum wage at $7.25, that's something we can get on the same page for.


Oh I see where the disconnect is here: this is including incumbent candidates that were re-elected in safe red districts, which makes it all but meaningless. Prior to the election, Republicans were expected to win far more House seats AND flip the Senate, making the results extremely underwhelming for them. Watch any post-election interview with any politician and it's easy to get a sense of who felt like they really "won" the midterm.

*looks at arizona* man drugs are hell of a thing.
 

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    holey shmoley!
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  • K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2:
    Your screwdriverPlus will arrive in three weeks
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  • QuarterCut @ QuarterCut:
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    my reaction to such information
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  • BakerMan @ BakerMan:
    guys, i need help, i got into an argument about what genre radioactive is, and i forgot who made it
  • Sicklyboy @ Sicklyboy:
    @BakerMan, Imagine Dragons
  • Sicklyboy @ Sicklyboy:
    Dragon deez nuts across yo face GOTEEM
  • Sicklyboy @ Sicklyboy:
    lmao now I realize that was probably the joke in the first place
    +1
  • BakerMan @ BakerMan:
    IMAGINE DRAGON DEEZ NUTS ACROSS YO- FUCK HE BEAT ME TO IT
  • BigOnYa @ BigOnYa:
    You have selected 4 - Death by Snu Snu, please stand by...
    +1
  • BakerMan @ BakerMan:
    lucky bastard
    +1
  • Sicklyboy @ Sicklyboy:
    hahahaha I'm half way through a bag off my Volcano and my tolerance is way down because I haven't been smoking much lately, so I was a little slow to catch that that was what your angle was 🤣🤣
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  • Sicklyboy @ Sicklyboy:
    Also I was just excited to know a music reference for once (I am the LAST person in the world that you want on your trivia team)
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  • K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2:
    Bummer webos 7.4 isnt working with dejavuln-autoroot
  • Sicklyboy @ Sicklyboy:
    PS4 right? I think that's what mine's on. Or 5.6, maybe.
  • K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2:
    [!] Installation failed (devmode_enabled not recognized)
  • K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2:
    0.5 seemed to work whatever lol i wont bitch
    K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2: 0.5 seemed to work whatever lol i wont bitch