Trump tax returns released, and no one is surprised that he was doing tax avoidence

[lolcatzuru]

Yeah, every time you see Kari Lake on TV it definitely looks like she's been doing the hard stuff. Sinema too TBH.

well first off, hugely sexist, weird one of your kind wouldnt realize that, but similarly, see this is what im talking about, you get scared way too much, you knew exactly the point i was making, which was irrefutable, and proceeded to avoid it because you were petrified yet again, do you like, live with medusa?

 

[Xzi]

well first off, hugely sexist

Hey now, I support women's right to do hard drugs all they want. They probably shouldn't be running for political office while addicted to them, though.

you knew exactly the point i was making

I never have any clue what point it is you're trying to make, I just have to take a wild guess. Maybe stop leaving all your comments so intentionally vague?

 

[lolcatzuru]

Hey now, I support women's right to do hard drugs all they want. They probably shouldn't be running for political office while addicted to them, though.


I never have any clue what point it is you're trying to make, I just have to take a wild guess. Maybe stop leaving all your comments so intentionally vague?

what part was vague? you mentioned midterms AND kari lake, you know exactly what i mean, lying is unbecoming, also, you never commented on the deal i offered you, I prove you are a liar about being in the US, you introduce me to the alter that made that claim.

 

[Xzi]

what part was vague?

The part where you danced around whatever point it was you were trying to make. If you believe the election in Arizona was stolen, just say that, it's simple. Of course then I'd have to accuse you of being on hard drugs, too.

you never commented on the deal i offered you

I started scrolling past your posts after it began taking too much effort to decipher them. What "deal?" You want me to take a picture of my electrical outlets or something? And why the hell would I lie about living in the US when there are so many other countries I'd rather live in anyway?

 

[TraderPatTX]

M4A is Bernie's proposed policy, not Obama's, and he's always been clear about where the funding would come from. No sense in cherry picking quotes from laymen who don't understand how anything works, we could go back and forth with those for years.

The laymen are the ones you have to persuade. Saying that any government service is free is intentional disinformation. For example, with Obamacare, I lost my healthcare plan and my doctor. That's disinformation and he still has social media accounts.

The US was founded before the invention of automobiles and the advent of modern medicine. Yes, we had a functioning society in which people lived exponentially shorter/sicker lives and interstate travel was largely a pipe dream, but there's no going back to the 1800s.

We'll be back in the 1800s when the US defaults on this debt. It's just a matter of time.

Stop with the gaslighting. Immigration services operating as they always have is not a stunt.

Is this a stunt?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/immigration/democrat-colorado-gov-defends-busing-migrants

This could not possibly be further off-topic from the general impact of migrant workers on the economy. It's a single business deciding to be racist with their hiring practices, for which they will pay dearly.

If one company is doing it, you know they are not the only ones.

And? There was always going to be inflation following a pandemic in which the whole nation temporarily shut down all non-vital businesses and services. It's not something the president had any control over in this instance, especially a president elected to clean up a mess left by his predecessor. Now, if you want to criticize Biden over leaving the federal minimum wage at $7.25, that's something we can get on the same page for.

If we are in pandemic, how come legal travelers are required to show a negative test but illegal aliens don't have that requirement? Weird.

Oh I see where the disconnect is here: this is including incumbent candidates that were re-elected in safe red districts, which makes it all but meaningless. Prior to the election, Republicans were expected to win far more House seats AND flip the Senate, making the results extremely underwhelming for them. Watch any post-election interview with any politician and it's easy to get a sense of who felt like they really "won" the midterm.

It didn't help that McConnell sabotaged certain senate campaigns and withheld funds from them.

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The part where you danced around whatever point it was you were trying to make. If you believe the election in Arizona was stolen, just say that, it's simple. Of course then I'd have to accuse you of being on hard drugs, too.

Well, 59% of machines in Maricopa County did go down on election day and the printer was intentionally changed to print 19 inch ballot images on 20 inch paper, which threw off the scanners. Not saying it is fraudulent, but it sure does bring up tons of questions.

 

[Foxi4]

Except everybody involved knew the money wasn't free, and that there were strings attached. Feigning ignorance after the fact was not going to stop the torches and pitchforks from coming out.

I think we’ve explored this long enough to cover all bases. The entire point of the exchange was to explain the underlying cause behind the financial crisis, and I’ve done that. Whether you accept that explanation or not is up to you, but you would do well to be weary of any legislation built on a similar framework, as it will have the same end result. Somebody’s going to drink the milkshake, always - make sure they don’t drink yours.

 

[Xzi]

Saying that any government service is free is intentional disinformation.

Good thing that nobody's claimed that then, except for you. People who live in countries with universal healthcare know it's not free, but they also don't need to worry about potentially going into debt for life over one single medical bill, so the tradeoff is always worth it.

We'll be back in the 1800s when the US defaults on this debt. It's just a matter of time.

There are a thousand other doomsday scenarios which are far more likely to wipe out humanity before that becomes even the remotest of possibilities.

Is this a stunt?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/immigration/democrat-colorado-gov-defends-busing-migrants

Nope, was still cleared through all the proper channels, and they're being sent to facilities capable of processing them. What don't you get about the fact that DeSantis and Abbott lied to immigrants about where they were going, and then sent them to RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS just to be dicks? This incurred loads of unnecessary costs to remedy the situation.

If one company is doing it, you know they are not the only ones.

Hiring practices based on racial discrimination are violations of federal and state law. It's impossible to get away with it for any real length of time, so this isn't nearly as widespread as you're suggesting.

If we are in pandemic, how come legal travelers are required to show a negative test but illegal aliens don't have that requirement? Weird.

We're not any more, the pandemic's been declared over. Inflation was inevitable in the aftermath of it.

It didn't help that McConnell sabotaged certain senate campaigns and withheld funds from them.

Well I do love watching a good round of infighting from the Republican party, so have at it.

Well, 59% of machines in Maricopa County did go down on election day and the printer was intentionally changed to print 19 inch ballot images on 20 inch paper, which threw off the scanners. Not saying it is fraudulent, but it sure does bring up tons of questions.

If Lake had any concrete evidence, she would've presented it already. Arizona judges were having none of it, as she had previously signaled her intent to reject the election results if she lost. Her court challenges were quickly thrown out.

I think we’ve explored this long enough to cover all bases. The entire point of the exchange was to explain the underlying cause behind the financial crisis, and I’ve done that. Whether you accept that explanation or not is up to you, but you would do well to be weary of any legislation built on a similar framework, as it will have the same end result. Somebody’s going to drink the milkshake, always - make sure they don’t drink yours.

I'm not worried about it, those types of predatory loan schemes were outlawed during the Obama administration, and further regulations put on Wall Street to ensure toxic assets couldn't be bundled into otherwise seemingly innocuous packages. Republicans and corporations have just had to find new ways to try to crash the economy and rob the American people blind post-2008.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007–2008_financial_crisis#Causes

 

[TraderPatTX]

Good thing that nobody's claimed that then, except for you. People who live in countries with universal healthcare know it's not free, but they also don't need to worry about potentially going into debt for life over one single medical bill, so the tradeoff is always worth it.

People talk about free healthcare the same as they talk about free education. You know this.

There are a thousand other doomsday scenarios which are far more likely to wipe out humanity before that becomes even the remotest of possibilities.

We are watching the collapse of the federal reserve banking system right now.

Nope, was still cleared through all the proper channels, and they're being sent to facilities capable of processing them. What don't you get about the fact that DeSantis and Abbott lied to immigrants about where they were going, and then sent them to RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS just to be dicks? This incurred loads of unnecessary costs to remedy the situation.

They were sent to sanctuary cities. It's not DeSantis' or Abbott's fault they were deported from Martha's Vineyard. Maybe they shouldn't lie about being sanctuary cities. That kind of disinformation could get people killed.

Hiring practices based on racial discrimination are violations of federal and state law. It's impossible to get away with it for any real length of time, so this isn't nearly as widespread as you're suggesting.

Hiring practices based on illegal immigration status are violations of federal and state law. And it's been happening for decades.

We're not any more, the pandemic's been declared over. Inflation was inevitable in the aftermath of it.

So they should have anticipated it and put in place policy to at least not make it as bad or last as long as it has. Still a total failure Sponge-Brain Shits-Pants.

Well I do love watching a good round of infighting from the Republican party, so have at it.

It's always nice when the establishment shows their disdain for the people. Reminds me of when Hillary cheated Bernie in the 2016 primary. Bernie should have won.

If Lake had any concrete evidence, she would've presented it already. Arizona judges were having none of it, as she had previously signaled her intent to reject the election results if she lost. Her court challenges were quickly thrown out.

She did present concrete evidence. You just didn't watch the trial and it shows.

I'm not worried about it, those types of predatory loan schemes were outlawed during the Obama administration, and further regulations put on Wall Street to ensure toxic assets couldn't be bundled into otherwise seemingly innocuous packages. Republicans and corporations have just had to find new ways to try to crash the economy and rob the American people blind post-2008.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007–2008_financial_crisis#Causes

They are still offering those predatory variable rate loans. Nothing was outlawed. It was all swept under the rug. I don't know how else to put this, but the uniparty will never go after their rich donors.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/rea...r-jan-9-2023-major-rate-decreases/ar-AA168qYh

 

[lolcatzuru]

The part where you danced around whatever point it was you were trying to make. If you believe the election in Arizona was stolen, just say that, it's simple. Of course then I'd have to accuse you of being on hard drugs, too.


I started scrolling past your posts after it began taking too much effort to decipher them. What "deal?" You want me to take a picture of my electrical outlets or something? And why the hell would I lie about living in the US when there are so many other countries I'd rather live in anyway?

well you can accuse me of whatever youd like, thank GOD you're thoughts are irelevant, but, more over, but as a proponent of sexism im sure you appreciate what went on there right, anything to stop the republican.

The part where you danced around whatever point it was you were trying to make. If you believe the election in Arizona was stolen, just say that, it's simple. Of course then I'd have to accuse you of being on hard drugs, too.


I started scrolling past your posts after it began taking too much effort to decipher them. What "deal?" You want me to take a picture of my electrical outlets or something? And why the hell would I lie about living in the US when there are so many other countries I'd rather live in anyway?

what do you mean what deal? you LITERALLY said in the next sentence what the deal was about, i get that pathologicaly lying coincides with mental illness man but come on, anyway once MORE ill reiterate the deal

I will go back and find " proof" that you claimed you werent from the US and you introduce me to the alter that made that claim.

 

[Xzi]

People talk about free healthcare the same as they talk about free education. You know this.

"Many people are saying" is not a valid argument here any more than it is at Trump rallies. As far as I can tell, you're the only one operating under such a misconception, and you're projecting it on to your political opposition.

We are watching the collapse of the federal reserve banking system right now.

That would be pretty interesting to see, were it actually happening.

They were sent to sanctuary cities. It's not DeSantis' or Abbott's fault they were deported from Martha's Vineyard.

It cannot possibly be anyone else's fault. They set the destinations, knowing full well they were incapable of processing migrants at those locations.

Hiring practices based on illegal immigration status are violations of federal and state law. And it's been happening for decades.

True, we need to crack down hard on corporations doing this from the top down, as well as provide more incentives for legal immigration. They'll always seek out the cheapest labor possible otherwise, paying well under minimum wage and holding the threat of deportation over the heads of anyone who might report them.

So they should have anticipated it and put in place policy to at least not make it as bad or last as long as it has. Still a total failure Sponge-Brain Shits-Pants.

There's no policy that would've prevented it, save a better and faster pandemic response by the previous administration.

It's always nice when the establishment shows their disdain for the people. Reminds me of when Hillary cheated Bernie in the 2016 primary. Bernie should have won.

True, he should've won in 2020 as well. Sadly Democrats put just as much effort into blocking progress from the left as they do into opposing Republicans.

She did present concrete evidence.

Then the case wouldn't have been immediately dismissed, as it was being heard by a Republican judge who otherwise would've been sympathetic to her claims.

They are still offering those predatory variable rate loans.

Payday loan scams are the new popular trend, but some states have already taken action to curb those. As far as the housing market is concerned, we have to worry more about billionaires and foreign investors buying up all the single family homes to drastically raise the value of the few they don't. Pricing millennials and younger completely out.

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what do you mean what deal? you LITERALLY said in the next sentence what the deal was about

Lmao, so I guessed correctly? No fucking clue why this is so important to you, but here ya go:



And a bonus pic of my physical games collection since outlets are not at all interesting (slightly out of date):



I've voted in every federal, state, and local election since I turned 18. Much to your dismay, I'm sure.

 

[TraderPatTX]

"Many people are saying" is not a valid argument here any more than it is at Trump rallies. As far as I can tell, you're the only one operating under such a misconception, and you're projecting it on to your political opposition.

Feel free to play dumb on your time. Don't waste mine.

That would be pretty interesting to see, were it actually happening.

See my response above.

It cannot possibly be anyone else's fault. They set the destinations, knowing full well they were incapable of processing migrants at those locations.

It's called drawing attention to a problem that has gotten too big for the border states to handle. When encounters go from 50k/month to almost 200k/month, somebody is doing a whole lot of failing that a simple photo op is not gonna fix.

True, we need to crack down hard on corporations doing this from the top down, as well as provide more incentives for legal immigration. They'll always seek out the cheapest labor possible otherwise, paying well under minimum wage and holding the threat of deportation over the heads of anyone who might report them.

Raising the fees on legal immigrants to pay for illegal immigrants is not the incentive you think it is.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...n-to-cover-costs-processing-illegals-n1658525

There's no policy that would've prevented it, save a better and faster pandemic response by the previous administration.

A guaranteed preventative measure would be for the US government to not secretly pay for gain-of-function research. But you can't get your brain past dRumpf. Think bigger, man.

True, he should've won in 2020 as well. Sadly Democrats put just as much effort into blocking progress from the left as they do into opposing Republicans.

Are you understanding the uniparty concept yet?

Then the case wouldn't have been immediately dismissed, as it was being heard by a Republican judge who otherwise would've been sympathetic to her claims.

Uniparty, bro. It's called a uniparty for a reason.

Payday loan scams are the new popular trend, but some states have already taken action to curb those. As far as the housing market is concerned, we have to worry more about billionaires and foreign investors buying up all the single family homes to drastically raise the value of the few they don't. Pricing millennials and younger completely out.

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Don't forget Blackrock and Vanguard. I wonder who they donate to? Oh right, they donate to the uniparty.

https://news.yahoo.com/blackrock-spends-record-us-political-175839909.html

And a bonus pic of my physical games collection since outlets are not at all interesting (slightly out of date):

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I've voted in every federal, state, and local election since I turned 18. Much to your dismay, I'm sure.

Impressive game collection, btw. Looks like we have similar tastes.

 

[Xzi]

It's called drawing attention to a problem that has gotten too big for the border states to handle.

Wasting unnecessary money and resources on political stunts doesn't help solve anything. They created additional problems, nothing more.

Raising the fees on legal immigrants to pay for illegal immigrants is not the incentive you think it is.

Well that wasn't something I suggested.

A guaranteed preventative measure would be for the US government to not secretly pay for gain-of-function research.

Yes, surely funding less research and being less prepared for inevitable outbreaks would've solved everything. /s

Are you understanding the uniparty concept yet?

Your beef is with capitalism, you just haven't realized it yet. Neither party is truly on the side of the working class, but we have only one party willing to actually do the work of governance, rather than spending all their time Gaslighting, Obstructing, and Projecting.

Don't forget Blackrock and Vanguard.

Yeah they've got their filthy fingers in absolutely everything. Should be targeted by antitrust laws, assuming we ever decide to start enforcing them again.

Impressive game collection, btw. Looks like we have similar tastes.

Thanks. This generation will probably be the last I bother with buying consoles, since physical copies are starting to go the way of the dodo. I've got every Nintendo and Sony console minus Virtual Boy, Genesis and Dreamcast from Sega.

 

[TraderPatTX]

Wasting unnecessary money and resources on political stunts doesn't help solve anything. They created additional problems, nothing more.

The only problem is now people are aware of Biden's failures.

Well that wasn't something I suggested.

No but it is being done.

Yes, surely funding less research and being less prepared for inevitable outbreaks would've solved everything. /s

Huge difference between funding research and funding the creation of bioweapons.

Your beef is with capitalism, you just haven't realized it yet. Neither party is truly on the side of the working class, but we have only one party willing to actually do the work of governance, rather than spending all their time Gaslighting, Obstructing, and Projecting.

My beef is with the central banking system itself where only the bankers and the uniparty and their donors benefit. The result would be the same if we lived under socialism managed inside a central banking system like Venezuela.

Remember yesterday when I said the central banking system is in its death throes? Here is a sign.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/09/swi...ion-loss.html?&qsearchterm=swiss central bank

Yeah they've got their filthy fingers in absolutely everything. Should be targeted by antitrust laws, assuming we ever decide to start enforcing them again.

I was hoping we could agree on this. Does this make 3 or 4 things we agree on now?

Thanks. This generation will probably be the last I bother with buying consoles, since physical copies are starting to go the way of the dodo. I've got every Nintendo and Sony console minus Virtual Boy, Genesis and Dreamcast from Sega.

I have such a huge backlog of games that I really don't need to buy anymore systems. Emulation will keep me busy probably for the rest of my life. I don't see a reason to play Final Fantasy XVI when I haven't even beaten VII through XV.

 

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@lolcatzuru @TraderPatTX Arguing with @Xzi is like talking to a brick wall. He's never wrong and will never admit he's wrong. It's a character flaw so I just try to avoid discussing anything with him because he's not right in the head.

Now on topic, @Nothereed 's topic. So Trump's lawyers who do his taxes used tax law to reduce the amount of money Trump would have to pay. That's like, how it's supposed to work, has always worked and will continue to work. How many times now have the dumb ass liberals tried to nail Trump and got jack shit out of their efforts. I'd say they should focus on doing good in the world, but they'd probably fuck that up too.

Oh well. This thread shouldn't exist. Trump didn't do anything wrong by having lawyers do and file his taxes.

 

[TraderPatTX]

@lolcatzuru @TraderPatTX Arguing with @Xzi is like talking to a brick wall. He's never wrong and will never admit he's wrong. It's a character flaw so I just try to avoid discussing anything with him because he's not right in the head.

Now on topic, @Nothereed 's topic. So Trump's lawyers who do his taxes used tax law to reduce the amount of money Trump would have to pay. That's like, how it's supposed to work, has always worked and will continue to work. How many times now have the dumb ass liberals tried to nail Trump and got jack shit out of their efforts. I'd say they should focus on doing good in the world, but they'd probably fuck that up too.

Oh well. This thread shouldn't exist. Trump didn't do anything wrong by having lawyers do and file his taxes.

I'd have to disagree. @Xzi and I have found lots of common ground and have kept this thread alive with zero personal attacks. Notice that no other leftist has interrupted the conversation, even the crazy OP hasn't stepped foot in his own thread in days.

 

[SG854]

I'd have to disagree. @Xzi and I have found lots of common ground and have kept this thread alive with zero personal attacks. Notice that no other leftist has interrupted the conversation, even the crazy OP hasn't stepped foot in his own thread in days.

Xzibit is polite

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Oh wow spell check

 

[tabzer]

@Xzi vacuum your carpets, guy. I know carpets are a pain in the ass, but thankfully, everyone on the planet has a choice on that matter. Do you really hate freedom so much?

 

[Deleted member 559230]

I'd have to disagree. @Xzi and I have found lots of common ground and have kept this thread alive with zero personal attacks. Notice that no other leftist has interrupted the conversation, even the crazy OP hasn't stepped foot in his own thread in days.

Has he admitted he's wrong about any issues/statements/etc ... during your discussions?

 

[lolcatzuru]

@lolcatzuru @TraderPatTX Arguing with @Xzi is like talking to a brick wall. He's never wrong and will never admit he's wrong. It's a character flaw so I just try to avoid discussing anything with him because he's not right in the head.

Now on topic, @Nothereed 's topic. So Trump's lawyers who do his taxes used tax law to reduce the amount of money Trump would have to pay. That's like, how it's supposed to work, has always worked and will continue to work. How many times now have the dumb ass liberals tried to nail Trump and got jack shit out of their efforts. I'd say they should focus on doing good in the world, but they'd probably fuck that up too.

Oh well. This thread shouldn't exist. Trump didn't do anything wrong by having lawyers do and file his taxes.

oh i know, ive also had a behind closed doors talk with TC, trust me when i tell you they are very much the same, i wouldn't be surprised if they are alts, my goal is primarily to humiliate XYZ by catching him in one of his many, many lies and then watch him try to weasel out of it.

 

[Xzi]

The only problem is now people are aware of Biden's failures.

The number of illegal border crossings has remained mostly steady for a long time now. It's not at all an all-caps "CRISIS" like sensationalist right-wing media makes it out to be. They always need to drum up some big faux emergency to keep cable news from dying out entirely. Migrant workers aren't responsible for keeping our wages suppressed and our infrastructure trapped in the 1980s, that would be billionaires and corporations.

“There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.” - Warren Buffett

No but it is being done.

Well I don't think it's a smart tactic, and it is probably a favor to Biden's corporate donors.

Huge difference between funding research and funding the creation of bioweapons.

Huge difference between fact and conspiracy theory as well. This won't be the last pandemic in our lifetimes, as permafrost melting is going to reveal some really nasty blasts from the past. The vaccine research being done now can help to not only lessen the impact of those, but also potentially eliminate cancer, AIDS, etc.

My beef is with the central banking system itself where only the bankers and the uniparty and their donors benefit.

We're on the same page as far as believing the Federal Reserve never should've been established goes. Kennedy was set to block it after returning from Texas, which may well be the reason he never did.

I have such a huge backlog of games that I really don't need to buy anymore systems.

Same, plus everything gets ported to PC now anyway.

@Xzi vacuum your carpets, guy. I know carpets are a pain in the ass, but thankfully, everyone on the planet has a choice on that matter.

Hard to vacuum where my cable jungle sits, being that I have two monitors, a TV, soundbar and subwoofer, my PC, Steam Deck, and five consoles all hooked up right now. It's really old carpet that needs to be replaced at some point soon anyway.