The same rich people in a capitalist society would still be rich in a socialist society, buying the same politicians. All you have to do is look at history, but you won't and I'm just wasting my time.
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Canadian federal elections of 2021 were rigged
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Well, the city I'm from once was called "the most corrupt city in Quebec"
I mean, the mayor did LOT of twisted stuff, including rigging elections (that was actually proven). He kept his place for 23 years before he left due to a parliament commission that was going on about corruption in the construction industry, his name popping up a lot as being a high ranked member supporting that corruption
Leave it to you to be uninformed as per usual.
They wouldn't. Tl;Dr the reason the rich is rich is because they exploited people (the working class) by keeping the working classes pay low. While taking it for themselves. (CEO number 35 gets million dollar bonus number 75)
In a socialist society, means of production (which would include wages) are owned by the workers collectively within that company or buisnesses. Meaning fairer pay. And less pay disparity. Which would mean the rich would not be nearly as rich if at all
as someone from canada i can safely say the ccp did not rig the election. the ccp tries to influence all political parties, including our conservatives and liberals. it's just international lobbying at this point. still dubious, still not a good thing but it didn't make people vote a specific way.
it's also wierd that the loudest publications for this are those who openly lean conservative. not saying its not found in neutral or left leaning publications like cbc but there is def a louder voice making larger claims in our publications
it's also wierd that the loudest publications for this are those who openly lean conservative. not saying its not found in neutral or left leaning publications like cbc but there is def a louder voice making larger claims in our publications
Name one socialist country where this is even remotely true. In every socialist country, the "elite" are those in power and their donors. There is no middle class because everybody else is equally poor. All you have to do is look at any socialist nation in history or in the present, but you won't do that just like you won't respond to me beating your hypothetical "let the fetus die" scenario.
If you love socialism so much, go take a trip to Cuba. It's nice down there this time of year.
We've gone over this. Tl;Dr
China is state capitalist. You are describing captalism. Capitalisms hallmark is extreme pay disparity and terrible working conditions.
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We've also gone over this before. I've said this how many times now? Authortians go against what I believe in (democracy). Also United States has sanctions on Cuba that makes their lives terrible.
I want a stateless, classless society. Having a state or class, fails that.
A society with a properly functioning democratic government, akin to denmark, Is acceptable since at least it's substantially closer to meeting peoples needs than the united states. And could (more ) easily transition if the people chose to.
At this rate you're just boring me.
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The state owns all means of production. That is how socialism is implemented every single time.
If you want a government like Denmark, then we need a population like Denmark. We have a lot more diversity than they do. We also have a much larger population. A stateless society does not scale.
I didn't seem so boring when you tried to get me on your little fetus/child/adult scenario that you keep ignoring. What's wrong? You mad because I outsmarted you? Dumb people are sometimes bored when somebody smarter than them shows up. Especially dumb people who have zero interest in becoming smarter themselves.
I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but why Canada?
What on Canada is attractive to China besides their market?
Does China (or anybody) is naive enough to believe that Canada will ever be against the USA? (geopolitically speaking)
What on Canada is attractive to China besides their market?
Does China (or anybody) is naive enough to believe that Canada will ever be against the USA? (geopolitically speaking)
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I mean, Canada is the biggest economical partner of USA
China is our second
Also, it may not seems so to big countries, but Canada actually has A LOT of influence toward NATO
Continuing to bore me.
1. Socialism as described by Marx, not Lenin, is very explict about unions owning production. Said unions are not States or Government. They, the unions, are created by the working class.
2. Your describing Leninism. A bastardized version of Socialism that's incredibly authortain. And even arguably not even socialism because of wealth disparity and maintaining hallmarks of capitalism.
The entire purpose of "no state, no class" is to prevent exactly what Leninism did. Which Leninism, by not trying to stick to that. essentially kept the wealthy and rich in the same positions of power, with new names.
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It does scale.
A. The united states wastes a ton of resources. See 50% of water in agricultural being wasted because of water rights. Use them or lose them mentality results in wasted water.
B. All it would take is for a job board to exist that is democratically controlled. And done, you have people's needs met.
It really is that simple.
All this "scaling" talk is just a bad faith excuse to decide who lives or dies, I've seen that in a lot of genocidal rehetoric.
Yeah you are being boring since your being predictable. In my original draft for that message I included "(ignoring the fact that the fetus is living outside of the mother)"
I'd figured and hoped, that you'd be smart enough to understand, given that I said you could only save 2 out of the 3. So in the benifit of the doubt, I removed it.
Course, I should of just leaned into my pessimism and kept it there. Since to no great surprise. You acted as exactly as I thought you would.
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It doesn't matter how Marx described it. It matters how it was implemented every single time.
Show me a country that didn't implement socialism this way.
All you have to do is show proof that your little socialist utopia is feasible. You can't.
Fetuses that live outside of the mother are called babies, knucklehead.
I beat your stupid little game and you've been big mad about it. After reminding you of it 4 or 5 times, you come back with this lame excuse. Nobody is gonna believe this.
Hey everybody, @Nothereed believes fetuses live outside of the womb. Anybody want to give him a crash course on human development?
1. And 2. Yes it does matter since Leninism was the chosen version for that time. And because you know. Red scare. Socialism in general has not been attempted again.
It's a pretty stupid ask for me to provide proof when the version I speak of, which is materially and structurally different, has never been attempted.
3. Is asking for basic human rights a utopia? If you say so. People have a right to food, water and shelter.
4. "Ignoring the fact the fetus is living outside of the mother"
That statement implies that it's not possible. And that the scenario is meant to be thought abstractly.
You seem to be pretty upset that I ignored you when you had nothing of substance to say.
5. Leave it to you to grand stand and bore me more.
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Cuba. Venezuela. Bolivia. Yugoslavia. Vietnam. iT's NeVeR bEeN aTtEmPtEd AgAiN.
Who will provide the food, water, and shelter? Slaves?
A.fetus.outside.the.womb.is.called.a.baby. Learn how to science, Scooter.
I thought it was funny that you didn't want to talk about it after I destroyed your little abstract. I don't blame you. I would have been embarrassed if I were you.
You should give me another abstract to have fun with.
Last response since I'm practically falling asleep. I could littearly pre write these, and you'd have no clue.
There's a keyword in that sentence
"Again"
you won a prize in failing reading comprehension.
What if we just removed the bosses we have now and we choose them democratically? Or choose not to have one at all? I guess suddenly we have no food, no water, or shelter anymore. Labour just magically vanishes. According to you.
A fetus of 12 weeks, is not a baby. A baby is a fetus that has developed for roughly 10 months and was given birth or c section. But hey. Gotta keep those disgenious arguments up amiright?
Destroyed? Ah yes, taking the option that was clearly stated was not avalible in a abstract thought expirment to reveal your actual beliefs is destroying my argument.
Mkay, if it helps you sleep at night.
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Then name me one place that has tried socialism and it didn't end up being an authoritarian slaughterhouse? It doesn't even have to be a country. Hell, even the Chaz zones in 2020 were complete failures rife with murders.
Meet the new boss... same as the old boss. Just looking back at my adult life, there is no difference between Clinton, Bush and Obama. Constant wars. Constant poverty. Constant suffering. Same can be said of certain governors. Look at California. The homelessness and drug use has only gotten worse along with crime.
Look to South Africa. That's what happens when the people who know how to run systems like the electrical grid are no longer running it.
You think babies develop inside the womb for 10 months? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!
Fetuses do not live outside of the womb, therefore there are not 3 separate people in your scenario. If you have to resort to complete fantasy, then it's not a valid argument.
You know absolutely nothing of human development. Between believing fetuses live outside the womb and babies develop for 10 months before birth. What's next? Boys with XY chromosome can become girls with XX chromosomes? This is both sad and funny. I can't wait to see you pontificate further.
"I-i-if you love socialism so much why don't you uhh why don't you GO TO CUBA!!? HAHA GOT'EM"
I think i can safely say that this line here is what brought us what we know today as copypasta. Thing is people think they're so smart when echoing this shit it's hilarious.
Funny how people who want socialism never want to go visit a socialist nation and people who live in a socialist nation risk their lives to escape it. Then again, leftist arguments are pure emotion and are not required to make sense or be true in the real world.
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Only signatures not matching, more votes than voters, hundreds of ballots going to one address, to many people registered over 90 years old, machines failing on election day, voting machines connected to the internet among mountains of other evidence. Not to mention. Just because the billion dollar corporate media tells you there's no evidence, doesn't mean it's true. They also told you there were WMD's in Iraq, that Trump colluded with Russia, that Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation, that Jussie Smollett was attacked by white supremacists in Trump hats and that there was a noose inside a NASCAR garage in Alabama. Why people still believe them is baffling, but then again, people tend to enjoy sweet lies over hard truth.
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You don't know communists apparently... Probably a few college students with Guevara shirt. Well, can't blame you, radical left is almost inexistent in the US and other countries of this kind...
Pay me the tickets and i'll go lol i dream on going to Cuba and North Korea and other socialist countries.
But dude, stop echoing nonsense, you just sound dumber and dumber.
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