Canadian federal elections of 2021 were rigged

[sombrerosonic]

You don't know communists apparently... Probably a few college students with Guevara shirt. Well, can't blame you, radical left is almost inexistent in the US and other countries of this kind...
Pay me the tickets and i'll go lol i dream on going to Cuba and North Korea and other socialist countries.
But dude, stop echoing nonsense, you just sound dumber and dumber.

ive seen some stuff in a socialist country, it seems awful.

They're seems to be a weird idea for capitalism and socialism but i can tell you this from my head, both are economic models, One is for allowing the private sector to have control while the other is when the government control AKA you own what you own is capitalism while in socialism you don't own anything as the government owns it.

IMO socialism isn't a good option as it results in poorer places and lower life expectancy and enjoyment compared to capitalism.

then again why are we talking about this? this has nothing related to subject.

 

[AncientBoi]

What??? Did Mega Dump tRuMp try to run for president here too?

 

[kevin corms]

It's been prouved apparently. The Globe and Mail say they have proofs that China interfered in canadian federal elections of 2021
From what I've understood, they asked their ambadacies to threaten chinese peoples in canada (those who have the right to vote) so they vote strategically
China wanted Trudeau to be reelected but with a minority of deputy.
Something that made them wanting Trudeau was because they found him to be weak, that he won't ever dare to sentence china for anything they do wrong

One such example is the Huawei scandal, when their CEO was arrested at vancouver. United States asked for us to deliever her to them so that she gets judged for a couple of economical crimes.
China opposed to this extradition and wanted Trudeau to send her back to china.
In the end, Trudeau just never decided anything, she was set to house arrest in vancouver for a couple of years, before usa made a deal with her, lifting most of the charges against her, and she was then sent back to china

I must admit, Trudeau do is weak. I hated his predecessor, Stephen Harper, much more than Trudeau. but at least, Harper actually had balls...

Harper sold out to China too, just because he was less annoying about it doesnt make him better.

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What??? Did Mega Dump tRuMp try to run for president here too?

Lets not go there, but Hillary was a known cheater and so is Biden. Heck Im surprised he survived the plagiarism scandal of the 80s... dude failed all the way to the white house somehow. https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...af3716-7292-11e9-9eb4-0828f5389013_story.html

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ive seen some stuff in a socialist country, it seems awful.

They're seems to be a weird idea for capitalism and socialism but i can tell you this from my head, both are economic models, One is for allowing the private sector to have control while the other is when the government control AKA you own what you own is capitalism while in socialism you don't own anything as the government owns it.

IMO socialism isn't a good option as it results in poorer places and lower life expectancy and enjoyment compared to capitalism.

then again why are we talking about this? this has nothing related to subject.

It doesnt matter how they sell it or what they call it. I dont like the idea of a small group of people deciding what is true and what opinions are allowed. I also dont like the idea of a small group of people controlling all the resources of a country, we see that in both communism and fascism, they both look the same in practice because of the corruption that comes with too much power.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

IMO socialism isn't a good option as it results in poorer places and lower life expectancy and enjoyment compared to capitalism.

Your describing state capitalism. Or state socialism. Both are authortian.
Socialism (modern version present in what pople are advocating for), is when workers own their work place. That's it. They don't have a dumbass boss over their head. Governance is a entirely serpate thing. Socialism != authoritain. No one party system, none of that garbage that the right wing party has been claiming is socialism. Since some of it is outright false (hello claiming Hitler as socialist. Even though he killed Democratic socialists and openly admited he hated socialists)
Others is a conflation and oversimplyfying. Aka, ignoring the fact that anarcho socialism, or democratic socialism, is a thing that can exist.
Just like how state capitalism (conflated as socialism intentionally by the republican party) also exists. (USSR being a power often resulted in authortian socialism, or something authoritain put in place.)
And also ignoring United States meddling. (See how bad United States sanctions fucked up Cuba. Just the entire history of it)

It doesnt matter how they sell it or what they call it. I dont like the idea of a small group of people deciding what is true and what opinions are allowed.

Neither do I, glad we can agree.

 

[The Catboy]

Only signatures not matching, more votes than voters, hundreds of ballots going to one address, to many people registered over 90 years old, machines failing on election day, voting machines connected to the internet among mountains of other evidence. Not to mention. Just because the billion dollar corporate media tells you there's no evidence, doesn't mean it's true. They also told you there were WMD's in Iraq, that Trump colluded with Russia, that Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation, that Jussie Smollett was attacked by white supremacists in Trump hats and that there was a noose inside a NASCAR garage in Alabama. Why people still believe them is baffling, but then again, people tend to enjoy sweet lies over hard truth.

That's a lot of buzzwords without a single source, so my post is still correct. Seriously, why can't you just provide sources instead of word salads made up of buzzwords?

 

[caipora]

ive seen some stuff in a socialist country, it seems awful.

They're seems to be a weird idea for capitalism and socialism but i can tell you this from my head, both are economic models, One is for allowing the private sector to have control while the other is when the government control AKA you own what you own is capitalism while in socialism you don't own anything as the government owns it.

IMO socialism isn't a good option as it results in poorer places and lower life expectancy and enjoyment compared to capitalism.

then again why are we talking about this? this has nothing related to subject.

"Results in poorer places" this makes absolutely no sense. Countries outside of the center of the capitalism suffer with lack of the most basic thing.
"Socialism results in poverty" shows poor history knowledge of socialist experiences... You could read or watch something - that's not a anti-communism think tank propaganda.

Why are we talking about this? I have no idea. It seems that online gaming communities have this nuts who brag about communism without any reason or substance whatsoever.

Anyway... Ain't discussing it any further lol

 

[tabzer]

I'm here waiting for proof that free and fair elections exist. Lol.

Socialism is when workers own their own workplace? Haha. That's called running your own business.

 

[sombrerosonic]

Why are we talking about this? I have no idea. It seems that online gaming communities have this nuts who brag about communism without any reason or substance whatsoever.

Anyway... Ain't discussing it any further lol

Then why did you post it on this thread? Pol threads be Pol threads.

"Results in poorer places" this makes absolutely no sense. Countries outside of the center of the capitalism suffer with lack of the most basic thing.
"Socialism results in poverty" shows poor history knowledge of socialist experiences... You could read or watch something - that's not a anti-communism think tank propaganda.

North Korea and Venezuela are good examples of how shit (And corrupt) this economy system is.

Ima leave it here because why not, see you all in the EoF, im going to troll WiiMiiSwitch

 

[caipora]

North Korea and Venezuela are good examples of how shit (And corrupt) this economy system is.

Venezuela isn't socialist, anti-US nationalism isn't the same. Communists are literally being arrested and censored.
North Korea... I don't even know where to start. People tend to know absolutely nothing about the country, its history or its state today. The same person who may say that "in North Korea people cannot smile! people can only have 5 haircuts! you'll be killed if you watch Kung Fu Panda" is exactly the same that'll say "we know very few of North Korea! they have no media just censorship we know nothing!"
Anyway... Yeah, 'til now there have been three copypastas and two scarecrows.

No i really ain't furthering this. This is not even what the thread is about.

 

[sombrerosonic]

Venezuela isn't socialist

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/opinion/venezuela-maduro-socialism-government.html
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/18/americas/venezuela-death-of-socialism-intl/index.html
https://www.foxnews.com/world/how-s...in-south-america-into-an-economic-basket-case

A single search disproved that. A SINGLE SEARCH DISPROVED THAT. Recently they have been switching over to a Capitalism system due to the huge issues.

North Korea... I don't even know where to start. People tend to know absolutely nothing about the country, its history or its state today. The same person who may say that "in North Korea people cannot smile! people can only have 5 haircuts! you'll be killed if you watch Kung Fu Panda" is exactly the same that'll say "we know very few of North Korea! they have no media just censorship we know nothing!"

North Korea was made after South Korea got independence from them and japan, and japan allowed that due to the San Francisco Peace Treaty and a huge ass war started out, South was supported by the US and Japan while the North was supported by Soviet Union and China.
In other words, It was made after WW2 North got the influence from the USSR while the south got influence from the US

Look man, i don't like to fight. so ima drop it off here, capesh?

 

[caipora]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/opinion/venezuela-maduro-socialism-government.html
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/18/americas/venezuela-death-of-socialism-intl/index.html
https://www.foxnews.com/world/how-s...in-south-america-into-an-economic-basket-case

A single search disproved that. A SINGLE SEARCH DISPROVED THAT. Recently they have been switching over to a Capitalism system due to the huge issues.

North Korea was made after South Korea got independence from them and japan, and japan allowed that due to the San Francisco Peace Treaty and a huge ass war started out, South was supported by the US and Japan while the North was supported by Soviet Union and China.
In other words, It was made after WW2 North got the influence from the USSR while the south got influence from the US

Look man, i don't like to fight. so ima drop it off here, capesh?

I said that you should read or watch real socialist experiences, and you link me an OPINION ARTICLE from fucking FOXNEWS and NYTIMES??? LMAOOO, of course they gonna agree with you because:
1) it's probably the main media you've consumed all your life, and
2) it's US' most traditional, liberal yankee dream biased media and, as these two medias (FoxNews not much, but NYTimes totally is) are (one) the biggest on the USA, the most influential country in the world, culturally and economically, you think it is actually a pretty reliable source - it is not, and it's mainly used for selling shit rather than really journalism... And "VUVUZELA SOCIALISM POVERTY" is pretty profitable so... Yeah you got the idea

In other words, you barely know North Korea history and are summing everything up in a sentence that makes it look like you know something, but in the end just "resumed" (that's not even a resume, it's a fucking joke for real) pretty much all of Cold War; Capitalist and Socialist block. How could you come up with that???? :o so smart

Don't capeesh like you've just dropped the scrolls of truth, you're clearly ignorant on the topic.
I've just pointed out your inconsistences, didn't even really "joined" the discussion. I'll keep it as it is, we're not on the same level PLUS the thread isn't even about socialism.

 

[jurai]

Does the op on this know words, gd this is a bad post

 

[lolcatzuru]

The same rich people in a capitalist society would still be rich in a socialist society, buying the same politicians. All you have to do is look at history, but you won't and I'm just wasting my time.

id love to follow the money here in the us... OH WAIT thats right it was all lost magically in a ponzie scheme, what a shame.

 

[TraderPatTX]

You don't know communists apparently... Probably a few college students with Guevara shirt. Well, can't blame you, radical left is almost inexistent in the US and other countries of this kind...

I've read history. You have access to the same internet. You can read it too. The death camps, gulags, starvation, mass murder. It's all there.

Pay me the tickets and i'll go lol i dream on going to Cuba and North Korea and other socialist countries.

Just like a good socialist, always wanting somebody to pay for thing for them. If you want to go so bad, pay your own way.

But dude, stop echoing nonsense, you just sound dumber and dumber.

You're just mad that I'm calling out the dirty commies and fascists.

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id love to follow the money here in the us... OH WAIT thats right it was all lost magically in a ponzie scheme, what a shame.

You can follow a lot of the money to Ukraine.

 

[caipora]

It's all there.

It's all  there, man.
Yeah... You know?
 There

 

[Futurdreamz]

Communism, fascism, capitalism, monarchies... In the end they all end up with one small group that administrates the rest of the nation. The only difference is how they maintain their power and how they are chosen. Communism relies heavily on creating a strong image of power to promote unity and cooperation - which eventually ends up requiring lies and delusions to keep things running. And when the ruling party gets caught up in it's own lies and delusions and use those to make decisions for the nation as a whole, that's when things go south really quick.

It gets to the point where I'd rather have a Royal bloodline running things, where a handful from birth has been raised and educated to know how to run the country, and spend their lifetimes in their position so they have to make choices that reflect events decades down the road. An AI that has no need for earthly pleasures or personal wealth would be better, like one from Ian M. Bank's Culture series or the Bobiverse, but that's uncharted territory and will take a long time to make.

 

[Xzi]

I'm here waiting for proof that free and fair elections exist. Lol.

You could literally volunteer to be one of the people in the room watching as votes are counted. You don't actually want proof though, you just want to bitch when your favorite authoritarians lose elections.

Socialism is when workers own their own workplace? Haha. That's called running your own business.

Anybody who has the capital and resources to start their own business from scratch is already outside (and lording over) the working class. Now, if the owner actually shows up daily, gives himself and each of his 99 employees 1% of the company's stocks and 1% of its profits, then yeah, that's socialism. It's also a very strong incentive for the employees to want the business to succeed.

 

[Zajumino]

Rather than speculating on something China probably did, why don't we talk about all of the things that we know China does (many of which are arguably worse)? Like, recently the only headlines have been "pooh's balloon(s)" and "where was waldo in 2019". Maybe the uncertainty of the situations make them interesting.

 

[tabzer]

You could literally volunteer to be one of the people in the room watching as votes are counted. You don't actually want proof though, you just want to bitch when your favorite authoritarians lose elections.


Anybody who has the capital and resources to start their own business from scratch is already outside (and lording over) the working class. Now, if the owner actually shows up daily, gives himself and each of his 99 employees 1% of the company's stocks and 1% of its profits, then yeah, that's socialism. It's also a very strong incentive for the employees to want the business to succeed.

It is, by metric, infinitely more possible to start your own business from scratch than to verify the fairness and integrity of an election. Startup capital isn't a requirement. You can be the socialism that you want to see in the world. Be careful that it doesn't turn into a ponzi scheme. While potentially lucrative, it usually ends in unfulfillment (and other issues you often attribute to capitalism).

As for verifying...

So if I come to America and watch people shift paper in a single location, I will be able to ascertain that America has free and fair elections. If not, then that means I must support authoritarianism. Does anything actually rattle around in that head of yours, or did you just lose your place in the script?

Next time, I encourage you to play your own devil's advocate before trying to convince me that America is free, or fair, with such impotence.

 

[TraderPatTX]

You could literally volunteer to be one of the people in the room watching as votes are counted.

If you have to cover windows to hide what you are doing in an open process, it means you are breaking the law.

This was in Detroit.

You don't actually want proof though, you just want to bitch when your favorite authoritarians lose elections.

I remember when the left freaked out when their authoritarian lost in 2016 and they burned down parts of Washington, DC.

But I'm sure this is mostly peaceful, amirite comrade?

Anybody who has the capital and resources to start their own business from scratch is already outside (and lording over) the working class. Now, if the owner actually shows up daily, gives himself and each of his 99 employees 1% of the company's stocks and 1% of its profits, then yeah, that's socialism. It's also a very strong incentive for the employees to want the business to succeed.

That is not socialism because the government does not own the business. If a private business owner wants to give their employees 1% stocks and/or profits, that's their choice and they should be free to make that choice without government coercion. But we all know that you love government coercion, especially against those you perceive as being your enemy. Just like that little German guy from the 1930's. And if you have to trash due process, then that turns you on even more.