Biden: "You can’t be pro-insurrection and pro-America."

[Chris2055]

Comparing conservatives to Nazis was the context, and he was right in calling it out. If you don't appreciate the English language, then the etymology lesson is lost on you.

Supermist made a statement about Nazis and conservatives, but then Mythrandir completely flipped the context. See here:

So if one seeks to conserve democracy, making them by definition a conservative, would they be a Nazi by merit of seeking to conserve something?

That is not the definition of conservative in the context of the discussion.

... and you just reiterated my point.

 

[tabzer]

Supermist made a statement about Nazis and conservatives, but then Mythrandir completely flipped the context. See here:


That is not the definition of conservative in the context of the discussion.

... and you just reiterated my point.

The only definition of a conservative in the context of the discussion is as a Nazi. @Mythrandir's perspective proposed that there was more nuance than that. You are complaining about it. That's what I am reading.

He didn't say anything wrong. He said something you disagree with. You got offended with him suggesting that conservatives weren't necessarily Nazis and you threw the word "context". Was that intended irony?

 

[Chris2055]

No, there was no definition of conservatives as Nazis. There was a comparison by other members (not by me) between Nazis and Conservatives, but comparing the two terms does not redefine the original term. By Mythrandir's definition everyone would be a conservative, so it's either meaningless drivel or intentional gaslighting, I'm not sure which.

 

[tabzer]

No, there was no definition of conservatives as Nazis. There was a comparison by other members (not by me) between Nazis and Conservatives, but comparing the two terms does not redefine the original term. By Mythrandir's definition everyone would be a conservative, so it's either meaningless drivel or intentional gaslighting, I'm not sure which.

Saying that conservatives are Nazis is defining.

I believe that everyone is, and ought to be, conservative on a variety of issues--but when it comes to the left-right spectrum of politics for dummies, people feel like they have to pick a point on a line.

Anyone who disagrees with you is gaslighting you. Real healthy perspective there. Did CNN take the role of your parents as they both worked full time to provide for you?

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Not nessecarially. Just as with most political topics, conservatism can be reasonably interpreted to mean differing sets of values based on who the person in question is.
Conservatism as a concept, for example, goes much deeper than an affiliation for some political views above others. It's an ideology, and subject to different interpretation.
Just because one given interpretation isn't as popular doesn't make it invalid. Same kind of thing as some Christians observing the Sabbath on Saturday and others observing it on Sunday, for instance.
On top of that, "maybe you should speak latin" is a shallow and fruitless insult, as well as missing the point that he was trying to make.

So many mistakes, whataboutism and crybaby attitude.

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They likely would since I follow the Reformed perspective and disagree with the concept of the papacy having authority over Scripture. I also hold the position that Roman Catholicism is a heretical cult.

Lmao you keep telling yourself that.

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This is why I am challenging the definition of conservative.

Oh so now you're challenging it but in the same message you claim to rely on the existing definition.

If you disagree with this particular definition

I don't, since you agreed that your original attempt was stupid and you rowed back.

 

[tabzer]

The weasel isn't wrong. Just alone.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

used an active institution account to access the dictionary. Definition 2b is the definition I am using

Nice corner save *attempt*. Definition 2b eh? Not exactly the first one available, how convenient.

 

[tabzer]

Nice corner save *attempt*. Definition 2b eh? Not exactly the first one available, how convenient.

Someone who attempts full accountability of a word as opposed to choosing the definition that they can disagree with is certainly more accommodating. It'd be convenient for your argument if definition 2b wasn't real, but it is.

 

[lolcatzuru]

add +1 to lies, all your posts are sources of your lies.

clearly you're illiterate and can't read, as if you had opened it you'd know.

maybe in your head since you only deal with prejudice, thankfully freedom of speech isn't dead when it comes to fact.

1. do you have a source on that?

2. Why do people always resort to insults its so pathetic

3. no amendment is absolute not 1a, not 14a, none of them, the greatest man to ever live said that, so hate to tell ya, the only only absolute is the court of public opinion.

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Maybe, but what about the hundreds of "cancelled" books/movies/personalities ? When I talked about burning books I didn't only mean it literally. For people who see symbolic violence everywhere you sure know how to turn a blind eye to it when it suits you.

Interestingly enough, I just read an article about the book "The Gods Will Have Blood" by Anatole France, I suggest you read it. It's about a French revolution fanatic prone to do whatever carnage and evil that suits him, in the name of what he calls "Good" :
"It is April 1793 and the final power struggle of the French Revolution is taking hold: the aristocrats are dead and the poor are fighting for bread in the streets. In a Paris swept by fear and hunger lives Gamelin, a revolutionary young artist appointed magistrate, and given the power of life and death over the citizens of France. But his intense idealism and unbridled single-mindedness drive him inexorably towards catastrophe."
This is a great illustration of "hell is paved with good intentions", which perfectly sums up the toxicity of wokeness.

And please realize that the world is not a binary place (pun intended) and that there's a whole wide world beyond the far right and the woke left. Just because the far right is doing questionable things doesn't mean the woke left is saintly, and the majority of people are neither far right nor woke left. You always talk to me like I'm a far right enthusiast and that's hilarious because as I said earlier, reason & realism >>>>> ideology. When someone disagrees with you or the woke ideology, it doesn't automatically make them far right.

And here I am replying again...

im a little confused with your post, how can a group that doesnt exist do something bad?

 

[Xzi]

Isn't MAGA an acrostic for Make America Great Again specifically referring to the US? If so, I find it hard to believe that someone that is not from the US would perfectly align with the movement.

Truth of the matter is that movements rooted in bigotry/xenophobia and intent on installing authoritarians to enforce racial/ethnic/religious hierarchies have barely changed over the centuries. MAGA wouldn't be what it is today if Trump's favorite book wasn't written by Hitler, and its supporters wouldn't be who they are if not for the confederate flags, bumper stickers, and tattoos. Relatively speaking, fascism has always been the refuge of the weak-minded.

 

[Ligeia]

im a little confused with your post, how can a group that doesnt exist do something bad?

I beg your pardon ? What group ?

Truth of the matter is that movements rooted in bigotry/xenophobia and intent on installing authoritarians to enforce racial/ethnic/religious hierarchies have barely changed over the centuries. MAGA wouldn't be what it is today if Trump's favorite book wasn't written by Hitler, and its supporters wouldn't be who they are if not for the confederate flags, bumper stickers, and tattoos. Relatively speaking, fascism has always been the refuge of the weak-minded.

Who, more than woke cultists, are actually more eager to enforce a racial/ethnic/religious hierarchy in Western Countries nowadays ?

 

[AdenTheThird]

I beg your pardon ? What group ?

Don't engage with him. He's driving the conversation in circles, presumably because he has no valid counterargument and still wants to emerge victorious.

 

[supermist]

woke

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Don't engage with him. He's driving the conversation in circles, presumably because he has no valid counterargument and still wants to emerge victorious.

This is an alt right/Nazi rhetoric tactic known as the gish gallop which is used to "exhaust" your opponent.

 

[AdenTheThird]

This is an alt right/Nazi rhetoric tactic known as the gish gallop which is used to "exhaust" your opponent.

I didn't know that was an actual term--interesting!
Worth noting is that it isn't exclusively used by alt right/Nazi enthusiasts. I'd say it's more common in those circles because of a lack of defensive counterpoints, but it certainly isn't exclusive.

 

[Ligeia]

This is an alt right/Nazi rhetoric tactic known as the gish gallop which is used to "exhaust" your opponent.

Really ? Because you leftist guys sure seem to master it

Don't engage with him. He's driving the conversation in circles, presumably because he has no valid counterargument and still wants to emerge victorious.

What confuses me is that he seems to fight both "sides" here Oh well nevermind

 

[Xzi]

Who, more than woke cultists, are actually more eager to enforce a racial/ethnic/religious hierarchy nowadays ?

Probably the guy straight-up quoting Hitler and claiming that "god" made him president. Say what you want about Biden, those are pitfalls he's easily avoided his entire career.

 

[AdenTheThird]

Who, more than woke cultists, are actually more eager to enforce a racial/ethnic/religious hierarchy in Western Countries nowadays ?

This isn't a fair statement. There are examples of this extremist desire on both sides of the political spectrum, and it isn't really fair to try to compare extremist views like this--much less, disregarding one side entirely.

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What confuses me is that he seems to fight both "sides" here Oh well nevermind

If you go into a debate without a strong foundation, it can be quite difficult to keep track of what side you're on!

 

[Ligeia]

This isn't a fair statement. There are examples of this extremist desire on both sides of the political spectrum, and it isn't really fair to try to compare extremist views like this--much less, disregarding one side entirely.

I didn't say this was exclusive to the woke left... But they are really the more adamant and loud about it these days.

 

[supermist]

Really ? Because you leftist guys sure seem to master it


What confuses me is that he seems to fight both "sides" here Oh well nevermind

Projection is another known rhetoric tactic.

Again, if you dislike being compared to Nazis, you can choose to stop acting like them and stop supporting/enabling them.

 

[AdenTheThird]

I didn't say this was exclusive to the woke left... But they are really the more adamant about it these days.

It was implied. And once again, that's subject to interpretation. Some parts of the country/world are much more vocal about their political opinions than others, and that applies to both conservatism and progressivism.