Hacking Four new people paid off by Nintendo in the HackerOne program

[master801]

Food for thought:

Sometimes when people report software bugs/vulnerabilities they get arrested for even trying to enter it (ex: GeoHotz PS3 Jailbreak case).
Now, at least Nintendo isn't arresting people for reporting vulnerabilities but instead rewarding it.

I can see why people are distraught about hackers gaining money from reporting vulnerabilities, but the reality is, they all have lives too. And most likely with bills to pay and a family to feed.

It sucks but in the end we can't really do anything about it.

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This wall of shame idea is completely stupid. This thread should instead of renamed to the "Shamed Thread" for the way op is even trying to attack paid off hackers.

 

[NekoMichi]

At this point I should probably mention that we don't know what bugs these people have reported. It could be one that allows unauthorised code execution, but it also could be a minor UI bug that couldn't have led to homebrew at all.

"Ryanrocks" is a guy who, before he was banned here, leaked a bunch of Mario Kart 8 stuff that he didn't develop early before it was ready for the public and Nintendo released a mandatory update if you wanted to go online.

Wait, is that the same guy who distributed a remote access tool/malware packaged inside a leaked 3DS SDK?

You're violating device's warranty and company's ToS for rooting or trying to modify/alter functions to your own uses.
It's not illegal. It's running unauthorized software on your device which wasn't supposed to be there.

Absolutely correct. I hope more people can understand your comment and be aware that because homebrew is outside of Nintendo's control, its effects are unpredictable and may have harmful side-effects like bricking. While homebrew in itself isn't illegal, it can result in unnecessary costs to Nintendo when people demand them to fix consoles they bricked themselves while trying to make it do something it wasn't meant to do. Therefore Nintendo is perfectly entitled to disallow custom firmwares and the like.

But say you drill a whole in your Dock and it breaks. Then the customer most really prove it aint their fault.

Wait, WHAT?!
*drops Dock and drill*

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As for streaming media content, it's important to know that Nintendo wants to restrict the amount of user-created/supplied content that the console is capable of using since it's been a common entry path for homebrew (e.g. SoundHax on 3DS). This is why video/music players and browsers aren't openly available for the Switch, because once you have something that users can control with their own content, there's no telling what could happen. This may also be why save data is locked to the console's onboard chip instead of being stored on the micro SD card.

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I know that OP has already stated that they are not in a financial situation to purchase a new tablet, but consider this:

Nintendo will probably include media apps at some point and if not, the homebrew community will eventually deliver. However, it could take months if not years before it's achieved, the amount of time to earn the cost to cover a tablet may be much shorter than the amount of time to wait for Nintendo or the modding community to release media apps.

For instance, I managed to get a Windows 10 tablet that's almost similar sized to the Switch tablet for about £100 and use it in tandem with the Switch. I play games on the Switch, then re-sync the Joy-Con to the tablet to use RetroArch, Steam, or Kodi. It even serves as a portable 3DS modding station with a bunch of 3DS homebrew tools installed. It may seem like a far-off plan, but it's a better investment than waiting for something that could take much longer to arrive.

 

[Bimmel]

I wish both "sides" the best of luck. That's all there is to say. Who am I to curse people for their decisions?

 

[NightsEkim]

Maybe we wouldn't have this problem if we donated to devs that made the exploits. Look at it this way, these devs are going to Nintendo because they have bills to pay, well what if every person donated $5 bucks if they downloaded and used the exploit the developed? Lets take a small sample every person that uses the exploit donates $5, 1000 people use the exploit, thats $5000, 2000 people, thats $10,000, 3000, thats $15,000, 6000, that's $30,000 and so on. If everyone that used the exploit donated a measely $5 the devs wouldn't go to Nintendo to pay their bills they'd continue making amazing content and continue making exploits for us to use, hell even if 75% of the people that used the exploit donated, that's still a hell of a lot of money when you get in to the higher numbers of people using the exploit.

But no, we sit here, download, use and just take advantage of the devs, sometimes not even with a thank you, how the hell would you feel? Why the hell would you want to keep developing exploits for the public when you can go to Nintendo with your exploit and get paid cash money to pay your bills or buy yourself something nice?! This isn't about you guys, this isn't about GBATemp, this is about the money, and ya know what, I cannot blame them in the slightest for going and making money.

Quit being so toxic, and quit blaming the developers for wanting to live their life, because I bet you if you had to make the same choice, either going to Nintendo and making money, or coming here and posting an exploit to a community that acts like this when someone decides to make money, you'd make the same damn choice as the devs on that list.

-Mic drop-

 

[Randall Stevens]

Maybe we wouldn't have this problem if we donated to devs that made the exploits. Look at it this way, these devs are going to Nintendo because they have bills to pay, well what if every person donated $5 bucks if they downloaded and used the exploit the developed? Lets take a small sample every person that uses the exploit donates $5, 1000 people use the exploit, thats $5000, 2000 people, thats $10,000, 3000, thats $15,000, 6000, that's $30,000 and so on. If everyone that used the exploit donated a measely $5 the devs wouldn't go to Nintendo to pay their bills they'd continue making amazing content and continue making exploits for us to use, hell even if 75% of the people that used the exploit donated, that's still a hell of a lot of money when you get in to the higher numbers of people using the exploit.

But no, we sit here, download, use and just take advantage of the devs, sometimes not even with a thank you, how the hell would you feel? Why the hell would you want to keep developing exploits for the public when you can go to Nintendo with your exploit and get paid cash money to pay your bills or buy yourself something nice?! This isn't about you guys, this isn't about GBATemp, this is about the money, and ya know what, I cannot blame them in the slightest for going and making money.

Quit being so toxic, and quit blaming the developers for wanting to live their life, because I bet you if you had to make the same choice, either going to Nintendo and making money, or coming here and posting an exploit to a community that acts like this when someone decides to make money, you'd make the same damn choice as the devs on that list.

-Mic drop-

It's cute that you did all that obvious math, told us all what we already know and understand and feel like it's something ground breaking.

Mic drop. LOL.

 

[NightsEkim]

It's cute that you did all that obvious math, told us all what we already know and understand and feel like it's something ground breaking.

Mic drop. LOL.

That's cute, you can be sarcastic and toxic just like everyone else in this thread that's complaining about what these devs did, tell me that everyone already knows about what I said, yet not do a damn thing to fix it, you didn't even offer up a suggestion in any form, your posts intention was solely to be snarky and even then, you did a garbage job at it.

Maybe instead of trying to be so sarcastic and snide you should try to come up with some sort of solution... Or wait is your point to be useless and offer up nothing at all to persuade these developers that are going to Nintendo to help the hacking and homebrew community over Nintendo securing the switch, man how useful. At least I offered up a solution and a suggestion all you did was come in here, act like someone who does exactly what I said (downloads and uses exploits without even a thanks let alone a donation if that's a possibility) instead of offering up any solution, opinion, or suggestion to solve the issue.

I applaud you sir for being useless.

-Mic Drop-

 

[Deleted-355425]

why are you all dropping mics? weirdos.

 

[gnmmarechal]

mics can break if you drop them.

 

[Randall Stevens]

why are you all dropping mics? weirdos.

I wasn't dropping mic, I was pointing out how completely ridiculous it was for him to do so.

Sir, you seem very angry. You should try going out and getting some air.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

I applaud you sir for being useless.

-Mic Drop-

Sir, you seem very angry. You should try going out and getting some air.

Ok children, that's enough. There's an age restriction to sign up here, so stop acting like you're five

 

[ATofix]

I care about piracy. I want CFW on the switch as much as the next guy but I dot want people to be pirating all of Nintendo's hard work.

 

[AmandaRose]

You're violating device's warranty and company's ToS for rooting or trying to modify/alter functions to your own uses.
It's not illegal. It's running unauthorized software on your device which wasn't supposed to be there.

That really depends on the country you are in. In Scotland its legal to mod anything you own in any way you want. Microsoft and Sony just lost a huge court case here as they were refusing to fix in warranty consoles that had been modded in any way including custom cases ect they were ordered to pay compensation to everyone who they had refused to fix. Pretty much tos/eula are illegal here and the law is pretty much if the mod is not responsible for the fault then they must fix it or replace it. So even things like rooting your phone or running homebrew on your console ect are allowed without violating the warranty as long as it's not used for illegal purposes such as pirating.

 

[TheCyberQuake]

Maybe we wouldn't have this problem if we donated to devs that made the exploits. Look at it this way, these devs are going to Nintendo because they have bills to pay, well what if every person donated $5 bucks if they downloaded and used the exploit the developed? Lets take a small sample every person that uses the exploit donates $5, 1000 people use the exploit, thats $5000, 2000 people, thats $10,000, 3000, thats $15,000, 6000, that's $30,000 and so on. If everyone that used the exploit donated a measely $5 the devs wouldn't go to Nintendo to pay their bills they'd continue making amazing content and continue making exploits for us to use, hell even if 75% of the people that used the exploit donated, that's still a hell of a lot of money when you get in to the higher numbers of people using the exploit.

But no, we sit here, download, use and just take advantage of the devs, sometimes not even with a thank you, how the hell would you feel? Why the hell would you want to keep developing exploits for the public when you can go to Nintendo with your exploit and get paid cash money to pay your bills or buy yourself something nice?! This isn't about you guys, this isn't about GBATemp, this is about the money, and ya know what, I cannot blame them in the slightest for going and making money.

Quit being so toxic, and quit blaming the developers for wanting to live their life, because I bet you if you had to make the same choice, either going to Nintendo and making money, or coming here and posting an exploit to a community that acts like this when someone decides to make money, you'd make the same damn choice as the devs on that list.

-Mic drop-

We don't even know who those people in the list are. For all we know they aren't part of the homebrew community, and are merely hacking switch just for the program.
Plus using software that devs put out for free without donating isn't a big deal like you are making out to be for some reason. If they release it to the community they are (usually) not doing it for the money. I don't know why you had to go on a nonsensical rant and write an essay about it.

 

[TheCyberQuake]

I love seeing all the entitled people who think anything a dev finds has to be released. If they choose to make money off of it that's their choice. Does it suck as an avid homebrew user? Yes. But if you disagree with their choice then you can hack the switch yourself, because they owe the community NOTHING.

 

[gnmmarechal]

That really depends on the country you are in. In Scotland its legal to mod anything you own in any way you want. Microsoft and Sony just lost a huge court case here as they were refusing to fix in warranty consoles that had been modded in any way including custom cases ect they were ordered to pay compensation to everyone who they had refused to fix. Pretty much tos/eula are illegal here and the law is pretty much if the mod is not responsible for the fault then they must fix it or replace it. So even things like rooting your phone or running homebrew on your console ect are allowed without violating the warranty as long as it's not used for illegal purposes such as pirating.

iirc, that's valid in all of the EU. EU master race?

 

[Bladexdsl]

why are you all dropping mics? weirdos.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/mic-drop

 

[Jonna]

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/mic-drop

'Twas a joke.

 

[Lumince]

Im actually glad a lot of people share the same opinion as I... They dont have to give the community anything. They are free to do as they please. Even if they decide to sell something. Its their choice.

Personally, If I saw how some people acted in this community (not everyone on here acts entitled) It would swing my choice more towards the money. The choice would already be the money over helping people get free games, but still. Some people just think "thats my exploit!! How dare you sell it" I just dont get how people can be like that. They arent obligated to give us anything.

 

[rednekcowboy]

Welcome to the future. Everyone's a sellout, there is no longer a community. The goal now is to find an exploit you never intend to release, build hype about it online and then sell it to the corporation. You can thank fail0verflow for starting that trend and absolutely destroying a community of anti-corprate cooperation. We now have no means of fighting back because being a sellout is now acceptable and anti-consumer practices by these corporate conglomarates will only escalate and get worse because of it. Fail0verflow sold out the entire hacking community and fucked us all over in the process.

Nintendo never really targeted hackers and refused to buy into threats and innuendo. fail0verflow was relentless and desperate in their attempts to sell their exploits to nintendo and called them out publicly a couple of times. Why do you think every Nintendo console gets hacked almost immediately upon release while Sony and Microsoft takes years before anything viable comes out? Sony got famous for using the law to try and quash releases but when that didn't work, they took the same path as Microsoft and shelled out the dollars in independent "security contractors" that sell the latest found exploits to them. Nintendo is being cheap and trying to get people to voluntarily supply the exploits but once they start shelling out the cash, their consoles will be the same as Sony and Microsoft.

I may be old school, but I find it absolutely disgusting that it has now become acceptable to be a sellout. Hopefully someday the circle will complete. People need to realize how much we are ripped off and how much we need this community to survive and keep the corporations in check. We now have no avenue to fight back, that has been obliterated because of people getting a quick payday.

 

[rednekcowboy]

Im actually glad a lot of people share the same opinion as I... They dont have to give the community anything. They are free to do as they please. Even if they decide to sell something. Its their choice.

Personally, If I saw how some people acted in this community (not everyone on here acts entitled) It would swing my choice more towards the money. The choice would already be the money over helping people get free games, but still. Some people just think "thats my exploit!! How dare you sell it" I just dont get how people can be like that. They arent obligated to give us anything.

I think you have the wrong idea and it's not really your fault or the fault of the community or the people with the exploits. Oldtimers like myself have an absolute diehard belief that selling out for a quick payday is like stabbing the whole hacking community in the back. Back in the day, you would be absolutely shunned and berated for even thinking of doing something like that. Also, you never "promoted" something, it got silently released. Everyone eventually found out who was behind it, but there was no egomaniac need to be a superhero on the interwebs. You didn't need the spotlight. All the right people knew who was responsible and you were fucking over a big corporation that was gouging the general public. You did it because it was the right thing to do and to send a message that there were people to right wrongs by greedy corporations trying to screw everyone over.

That's where the backlash comes from when someone releases a statement that they have an exploit that they aren't going to release. Seriously, why announce if you have no intentions of sharing? Why? Because it sends a message to the corporation that you are peddling the exploit. It's only creating hype so they can get paid as much as possible.

I really hope this trend ends, however I don't see that happening any time soon.