Trump's latest speech about Antifa taking down/vandalizing statues

[the_randomizer]

never trust a politician. period.

"Honest politician" is an oxymoron, like "military intelligence".

 

[rileysrjay]

Holy SHIT I hate this false equivalence. It needs to stop being circulated, Because I'm tired of mindless drones parroting the exact. same. thing.

YES, the founding fathers owned slaves. This is something that is often overlooked. However, they also drafted and finalized the very foundation that our country stands on now.

The Confederate leaders, on the other hand, rebelled against our country to specifically fight alongside an establishment built on the idea that whites are superior to blacks. They are traitors to our country, and the only place they have in our history is in museums and textbooks, not monuments and memorials

Not going to get in a debate as @Chary pretty much summed up how I feel, but I will say this: there are much more important things we should be worried about right now like NK, immigration, healthcare, etc. Than a bunch of statues. I hope you and others on this forum can agree with that.

 

[DarthDub]

I'd argue we're the ones who actually pay attention to history the most. We just don't want the worst parts of our history being worshipped and immortalized in a grandiose fashion in the current era

Don't become a sheep. Democrats founded the KKK. George Soros is paying people to inflict chaos and confusion via Antifa and Black Lives Matter.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Not going to get in a debate as @Chary pretty much summed up how I feel, but I will say this: there are much more important things we should be worried about right now like NK, immigration, healthcare, etc. Than a bunch of statues. I hope you and others on this forum can agree with that.

I absolutely agree. Which is why I think it's stupid that "Unite the Right" protesters came from as far as Ohio to whine about how "oppressed" they are

Don't become a sheep. Democrats founded the KKK.

http://factmyth.com/factoids/democrats-and-republicans-switched-platforms/
And even if the above WEREN'T the case, what matters TODAY is what party they support NOW

George Soros is paying people to inflict chaos and confusion via Antifa and Black Lives Matter.

Mmmmm delicious propaganda. Do you have an unbiased source to back that one up?...

 

[Chary]

I definitely don't align myself with a political party, either, though my ideals definitely lean right. I see no reason to assign myself a label of republican or democrat, when most of the candidates are corrupt anyways. Vote for the person, not the party.

 

[GhostLatte]

You can't even vote yet!

In April, I'll be able to

 

[rileysrjay]

I absolutely agree. Which is why I think it's stupid that "Unite the Right" protesters came from as far as Ohio to whine about how "oppressed" they are

Its not just the right that's causing issues, there's plenty of left groups also that are causing shit like this. All the "alt left" and "alt right" (I'm just gonna call them that since it's easier than making a list of twenty organizations) groups imo need to just stop this back and forth crap with the statues and the other bs about them being mistreated. I'm also tired of seeing people labeling the entire left as alt left and the entire right as alt right.

 

[StarTrekVoyager]

Don't become a sheep. Democrats founded the KKK. George Soros is paying people to inflict chaos and confusion via Antifa and Black Lives Matter.

Solution 1) This is ironic, and I'm stupid
Solution 2) You're serious, and this is the classical speech of alt-right, which consists in saying facts are bullshit, that if you're not alt-right you're a sheep believing in fake news, and then spreading crapo conspiration theories without of course any real proof, and calling everyone fake news.

 

[the_randomizer]

Solution 1) This is ironic, and I'm stupid
Solution 2) You're serious, and this is the classical speech of alt-right, which consists in saying facts are bullshit, that if you're not alt-right you're a sheep believing in fake news, and then spreading crapo conspiration theories without of course any real proof, and calling everyone fake news.

There's no denying George Soros is a dumbass, powerful and evil. He needs to be tried as a war criminal.

 

[StarTrekVoyager]

I actually don't even know this George Soros guy

 

[Xexyz]

Where's my check from George Soros?

 

[StarTrekVoyager]

Ok, just looked at Wikipédia, how is the guy a war criminal? He seems to be an embezzler (like evry single millionaire in this world), but I don't see anything else...

 

[rileysrjay]

I actually don't even know this George Soros guy

If you don't know who he is than no offense, but you probably shouldn't be commenting about him to other people. Go read a quick history from somewhere reliable (and not Wikipedia or somewhere where someone can change the article without scholarly sources).

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Its not just the right that's causing issues, there's plenty of left groups also that are causing shit like this. All the "alt left" and "alt right" (I'm just gonna call them that since it's easier than making a list of twenty organizations) groups imo need to just stop this back and forth crap with the statues and the other bs about them being mistreated. I'm also tired of seeing people labeling the entire left as alt left and the entire right as alt right.

Eh, the big issue on the far left is Antifa, which I agree with in principle but they absolutely need to calm down in terms of physicality

I am also aware that the entire right is not the alt-right; that's why the "alt" is there. But there's no denying that the group that met in Charlottesville was entirely comprised of members of the alt-right

 

[Dr.Hacknik]

I find it that both the left and right sides are fucked up in their own ways. You just have to pick the side that is less shitty, and makes logical sense.

 

[the_randomizer]

Where's my check from George Soros?

Where's his check? George Soros likely shoved it up his tailpipe as a contraceptive, because that's all he's good for.

 

[Subtle Demise]

The Civil War was not about slavery! The confederate States felt that the federal government had too much power and tried to secede from the rest of the union. Well, it didn't work, and now every aspect of our lives is regulated in some way. We've lost more freedom since then, which is ironic for a war that was supposedly about freedom.

Abraham Lincoln also isn't the savior everyone makes him out to be. The original plan was to send the slaves back to Africa, but I think they only didn't because it just wouldn't have been feasible. Not to mention suspension of habeus corpus and other slights against the constitution.

 

[smile72]

The Civil War was not about slavery! The confederate States felt that the federal government had too much power and tried to secede from the rest of the union. Well, it didn't work, and now every aspect of our lives is regulated in some way. We've lost more freedom since then, which is ironic for a war that was supposedly about freedom.

Abraham Lincoln also isn't the savior everyone makes him out to be. The original plan was to send the slaves back to Africa, but I think they only didn't because it just wouldn't have been feasible. Not to mention suspension of habeus corpus and other slights against the constitution.

Uh well....I won't deny the founding fathers and most of the early presidents were asshole-ish but hey they were smart! And to be honest the Civil War was pretty much about slavery however many poor whites (whom did not and could not afford to own slaves)did die for the Confederacy.And if you wanna blame someone for the Civil War...don't blame Lincoln.....blame that asshole Roger B Taney. They finally removed that douche's statue from the Annapolis court ground. His opinion made the civil war inevitable.
Edit: And honestly I never understood all the hate for George Soros he's like the Koch Brothers or Sheldon Adelson. I don't see much of a difference. Just he donates to the Democrats.

 

[the_randomizer]

Both sides, backbiting, bickering back and forth, it makes me want to cry for this country

 

[lordkaos]

The Civil War was not about slavery! The confederate States felt that the federal government had too much power and tried to secede from the rest of the union. Well, it didn't work, and now every aspect of our lives is regulated in some way. We've lost more freedom since then, which is ironic for a war that was supposedly about freedom.

Abraham Lincoln also isn't the savior everyone makes him out to be. The original plan was to send the slaves back to Africa, but I think they only didn't because it just wouldn't have been feasible. Not to mention suspension of habeus corpus and other slights against the constitution.

read this:

https://web.archive.org/web/19980128034930/http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html