Germany, a Paradise for slackers ?

[WeedZ]

The US has been buying oil from Iraq since 1998. Your point?? You need to put the weed down, and start improving your understanding of the world, it's history, and who is who out there. You're way too innocent.

Alright then, straighten me out. We are involved with the middle east to protect Isreal's interests. The fact that we are shipping billions worth of oil and opiates from there is just a cover. We spend trillions in taxes government funding to do this for no conceivable reason other than Isreal is our homie. While at the same time were protecting isreal, we're opening our borders to allow the Muslims and Mexicans to take over. Now what part of that makes sense?

 

[Youkai]

So if you never qualified for it, how can you know what you're saying?

Because I looked into it, there are many places you can get your informations plus as I said one of my Friends is taking advantage of this system for a long time now.
At the Time when I was jobless I didn't get Hartz4 which is "ALG2" but I got "ALG1" till my new job started and the Job Center actually informed me of a lot of stuff as well

Why is that a bad thing ? It's almost everywhere in Europe like that ! Less debt then other first world nations, less crime then other first world nations, less poverty then other first world nations, less difference between poor and rich then other first world countries, more then 50 percent of the top 20 gdp countries are European and the Euro is going stronger everyday and topping most currencies. Why are you complaining ? If Europe was heading towards ruin like most people are saying then Europe would become less of a first world nation by the years like is happening in other placea right now but instead Europe is going stronger each year. I get it why most people say stuff like that since they don't even invest anytime in economics and how countries work and only focus on negative shit and doomsday scenarios.

Yeah sounds good but how is it fair that working 40h a week earns you a very similiar ammount as not working at all ?
People like me friend who tell me that he doesn't even search for a Job anymore and would only take a very good paid job are making me angry but than again I can understand why, and the problem is that people have it way to easy here.

The Government needs to change stuff like this.
We have 2 million jobless but than again several hundred thousands of jobs where they don't find anyone who wants to do it ! Question is why ?
One point might be bad salary but another thing is that the people don't want to work 40hours a week to get maybe 100€ more each month than what they would get when slacking off plus you need to pay so much stuff yourself that in the worst case you even go into minus with working.


A good example, my dad who worked for 47 years and paid for the same ammount of time lots of taxes needed a new denture? (correct word?) and he had to pay 3000€ himself !! to earn that ammount of money even with his rather good slary he had to save up as much as he could for at least 6 month while a jobless gets it completely paid!!! so even if you have a job that gives you 100-200€ more than Hartz4 you would need to pay stuff like this and with bad salary you would need to save years to get this ammount of money. (same thing if something in your flat brakes like the fridge for 200€ or the oven or whatever ... slackers get it free and workers get into minus balance)

 

[kumikochan]

Because I looked into it, there are many places you can get your informations plus as I said one of my Friends is taking advantage of this system for a long time now.
At the Time when I was jobless I didn't get Hartz4 which is "ALG2" but I got "ALG1" till my new job started and the Job Center actually informed me of a lot of stuff as well



Yeah sounds good but how is it fair that working 40h a week earns you a very similiar ammount as not working at all ?
People like me friend who tell me that he doesn't even search for a Job anymore and would only take a very good paid job are making me angry but than again I can understand why, and the problem is that people have it way to easy here.

The Government needs to change stuff like this.
We have 2 million jobless but than again several hundred thousands of jobs where they don't find anyone who wants to do it ! Question is why ?
One point might be bad salary but another thing is that the people don't want to work 40hours a week to get maybe 100€ more each month than what they would get when slacking off plus you need to pay so much stuff yourself that in the worst case you even go into minus with working.


A good example, my dad who worked for 47 years and paid for the same ammount of time lots of taxes needed a new denture? (correct word?) and he had to pay 3000€ himself !! to earn that ammount of money even with his rather good slary he had to save up as much as he could for at least 6 month while a jobless gets it completely paid!!! so even if you have a job that gives you 100-200€ more than Hartz4 you would need to pay stuff like this and with bad salary you would need to save years to get this ammount of money. (same thing if something in your flat brakes like the fridge for 200€ or the oven or whatever ... slackers get it free and workers get into minus balance)

You can't ignore that there are less people who don't work even with that system then in other first world countries. Plus getting a new denture at that age is normal that you have to pay for it but you're also forgetting that when you get a new denture at the age of 50 it will be paid back fully !!! So if he waited 3 years then he would have gotten 1 for free. And again some people abuse a system but that's everywhere in the fucking world but thanks to that system there is less poverty here and in the end that will cost less then giving people who don't work no money at all. You're creating poverty that way and believe in the end poverty will cost the middle class working man much more in taxes and so on just to fix that or to pay for them going to doctors, hospitals because they're getting sick constantly. You're forgetting that social Healthcare is a system in Europe where everybody pays for everybody so sickness is just one example why poverty is worse in the long run. No poverty creates less crime, more health, more growth and so forth. People Always complain about that but they''re not seeing the bigger picture of all the benefits with it. And ofcourse there will be people who will take advantage of that but that's just how it is. You can't stop something like that, it will happen in every construct and system and so on. Just the way a society works. You have bad apples and good apples but in the long run a system like that creates more good apples then bad apples and that's how you should look at it.

 

[xpoverzion]

Alright then, straighten me out. We are involved with the middle east to protect Isreal's interests. The fact that we are shipping billions worth of oil and opiates from there is just a cover. We spend trillions in taxes government funding to do this for no conceivable reason other than Isreal is our homie. While at the same time were protecting isreal, we're opening our borders to allow the Muslims and Mexicans to take over. Now what part of that makes sense?

Why are you so fixated on opiates? America has always shipped billions of all kinds of drugs from all over the world, not just opiates from Afghanistan. And billions is a drop in the bucket compared to the trillions of spending in that region. Not a very good return on investment, dontcha think? It's almost impossible to explain this to you. All I can say is begin by reading about the history of "Israel" and the western world at large. The secret though is that you have to read history books that were written by a citizen of Israel, for the audience of "Israel." That's where you find the truth about how the west really works, and how it has operated for almost 3000 years. You won't find this truth in any mainstream history book that is written by a gentile. For if a gentile tells the cold hard truth about all of this, they are branded an "anti-semite" and instantly shut down. Look into it. As for all the other stuff regarding mass immigrations, and mixing populations.. You will find answers to why this is happening the way it is when you understand this history. Little hint. You don't see Israel taking in large numbers of immigrants do you? Infact it's quite the opposite, where ethnic cleansing is more that countries motto since it's creation in 1948. All I can say is read as many of those special books as possible. It's complex, and beyond the understanding of the average person who is busy with working like a dog, raising a family, and drunk on video games, movies, entertainment, etc... with their time off. This is also why "they" have been largely successful at getting what they want over the past 3000 years. The ignorance of the masses...

 

[WeedZ]

Because I looked into it, there are many places you can get your informations plus as I said one of my Friends is taking advantage of this system for a long time now.
At the Time when I was jobless I didn't get Hartz4 which is "ALG2" but I got "ALG1" till my new job started and the Job Center actually informed me of a lot of stuff as well

Sorry man, got a bit off topic. I can't say I'm familiar with your guys social assistance programs, but germany has a reputation for being prosperous and leaders in industry despite being abnormally socialized.

We have similar programs here. People bitch about others having a bunch of kids and going on welfare, and how much they get back in taxes, and how awesome they must have it to not have to work. But if you spend any time with these people, you see its not a life worth having.

Maybe they get free housing, food, cellphones, etc. But it's not really all that. They are fully dependant on government assistance, which means rules. What food they can buy, where they can live, etc.

My suggestion was that maybe youre not seeing their lifestyle for what it really is. And if they are milking assistance, well that's just another level of hell.

Why are you so fixated on opiates? America has always shipped billions of all kinds of drugs from all over the world, not just opiates from Afghanistan. And billions is a drop in the bucket compared to the trillions of spending in that region. Not a very good return on investment, dontcha think? It's almost impossible to explain this to you. All I can say is begin by reading about the history of "Israel" and the western world at large. The secret though is that you have to read history books that were written by a citizen of Israel, for the audience of "Israel." That's where you find the truth about how the west really works, and how it has operated for almost 3000 years. You won't find this truth in any mainstream history book that is written by a gentile. For if a gentile tells the cold hard truth about all of this, they are branded and anti semite and instantly shut down. Look into it.

Trillions since the start / billions a year. Opiates and oil are the biggest return for our military presence. Why can't you just tell me? Why do I have to read some bullshit history books written in isreal for isreal to know why we are at war with other countries now? Nothing you say makes sense, do you see that?

 

[xpoverzion]

Sorry man, got a bit off topic. I can't say I'm familiar with your guys social assistance programs, but germany has a reputation for being prosperous and leaders in industry despite being abnormally socialized.

We have similar programs here. People bitch about others having a bunch of kids and going on welfare, and how much they get back in taxes, and how awesome they must have it to not have to work. But if you spend any time with these people, you see its not a life worth having.

Maybe they get free housing, food, cellphones, etc. But it's not really all that. They are fully dependant on government assistance, which means rules. What food they can buy, where they can live, etc.

My suggestion was that maybe youre not seeing their lifestyle for what it really is. And if they are milking assistance, well that's just another level of hell.


Trillions since the start / billions a year. Opiates and oil are the biggest return for our military presence. Why can't you just tell me? Why do I have to read some bullshit history books written in isreal for isreal to know why we are at war with other countries now? Nothing you say makes sense, do you see that?

No, keeping Israel happy is the biggest return from our military presence. I can't just tell you because it's extremely complicated. But, here are a few facts. Rome collapsed in the 4th and 5th century. Not because of what the gentile history books tell you. Barbarians, cost of dealing with Germanic tribes, overstretch military, etc... Rome collapsed in those centuries because that is when Rome became a Christian empire and "Israel" was forced out. Israel held the keys to Rome's economy every since she financed Julius Caesar and made an empire out of Rome. Not to mention, "Israel" controlled Rome's food supply in Alexandrea, and Asia Minor. You may have heard of that old saying, "Egypt was Rome's breadbasket?" France's economy collapsed in 1307 when King Phillip the Fair kicked Israel out. By 1313, France was begging for "Israel" to return. England kicked Israel out in the 12th century. For 500 years, England went nowhere economically. Not until England let Israel back in, in the late 17th century did England suddenly become a worldwide empire. America had it's humble roots. It only became a powerful empire at the beginning of the 20th century. No conincedence that America's rise coincided with Russia kicking Israel out in the 1880's. "Israel," from Russia, and Eastern Europe came to America in the late 1800's and early 1900's, set up the ADL, and the Federal Reserve bank, and by the end of WWII, America was the most powerful nation in the world. Just as rapid of a rise as England did it after letting "Israel" back in around 1700. So you see... Your politicians know that if they don't keep Israel very, very happy, then Israel will fuuuuck you economically. That is the reason that America is squandering the fruits of your labor, and the labor of all it's citizens, to the tune of trillions of tax dollars, to make sure that Israel gets what she wants. There is so much more to it, but this is essentially it, in a nutshell. These are just a few examples of how "Israel's" movement around the west has dictated the history in the west. Just about every important event that has ever happened in western history has had Israel behind it in one way or another. That's not my quote either. That is a quote that comes from a very popular history book that was written by a citizen of Israel, Solomon Grayzel. As long as you keep thinking is for oil, and opiates, they have you right where they want you, and you are being played for a fool.

 

[WeedZ]

No, keeping Israel happy is the biggest return from our military presence. I can't just tell you because it's extremely complicated. But, here are a few facts. Rome collapsed in the 4th and 5th century. Not because of what the gentile history books tell you. Barbarians, cost of dealing with Germanic tribes, overstretch military, etc... Rome collapsed in those centuries because that is when Rome became a Christian empire and "Israel" was forced out. Israel held the keys to Rome's economy every since she financed Julius Caesar and made an empire out of Rome. France's economy collapsed in 1307 when King Phillip the Fair kicked Israel out. By 1313, France was begging for "Israel" to return. England kicked Israel out in the 12th century. For 500 years, England went nowhere economically. Not until England let Israel back in the late 17th century did England suddenly become a worldwide empire. America had it's humble roots. It only became a powerful empire at the beginning of the 20th century. No conincedence that America's rise coincided with Russia kicking Israel out in the 1880's. "Israel" came to America in the early 1900's, set up the ADL, and the Federal Reserve bank, and by the end of WWII, America was the most powerful nation in the world. Just as rapid of a rise as England did it after letting "Israel" back in around 1700. So you see... Your politicians know that if they don't keep Israel very, very happy, they Israel will fuuuuck you. That is the reason that America is squandering the fruits of your labor, and the labor of all it's citizens and making sure that Israel gets what she wants. There is so much more to it, but this is essentially it, in a nutshell.

Now i know youre crazy Israel wasnt founded until after ww2. But are you implying that the region's religious roots somehow connects it's allies to divine prosperity?

Please tell me that's what you're saying.

Seriously, you ever think that we just happen to be a superpower killing their enemies and they happen to like us for it? Isreal isn't the central power it was 1000+ years ago..

 

[xpoverzion]

Now i know youre crazy Israel wasnt founded until after ww2. But are you implying that the region's religious roots somehow connects it's allies to divine prosperity?

Please tell me that's what you're saying.

Seriously, you ever think that we just happen to be a superpower killing their enemies and they happen to like us for it? Isreal isn't the central power it was 1000+ years ago..

Go read the history books. Obviously you didn't read what I just wrote. I know that Israel was created in 1948, after WWII. C'mon now. The state of Israel is just the political center of "Israel" world wide. "Israel" doesn't need a political state, with borders to yield her power or influence. There's a thing thing called the diaspora. It's the diaspora that has existed much longer, and has been much more influentual throughout history than the political state of Israel. And no, America is not just a big super power attacking weaker nations around Israel, and because of this, Israel likes us. Ever wonder why it is that during the U.S. presidential elections all the democrat and republican candidates have very different, and often opposite views on just about everything out there. The economy. Immigration. Education. Taxes. Environment, etc... But you know the one thing that every single presidential candidate always agrees on no matter what. They all agree that the U.S. needs to support Israel with unwavering support, no matter what the cost. That's because it would be political suicide for a candidate to say anything otherwise about Israel. They know it, and you obviously don't. And your politicians know it for exactly the reasons, and history that I mentioned in the previous post.

 

[WeedZ]

Go read the history books. Obviously you didn't read what I just wrote. I know that Israel was created in 1948, after WWII. C'mon now. The state of Israel is just the political center of "Israel" world wide. "Israel" doesn't need a political state, with borders to yield her power or influence. There's a thing thing called the diaspora. It's the diaspora that has existed much longer, and has been much more influentual throughout history than the political state of Israel. And no, America is not just a big super power attacking weaker nations around Israel, and because of this, Israel likes us. Ever wonder why it is that during the U.S. presidential elections all the democrat and republican candidates have very different, and often opposite views on just about everything out there. The economy. Immigration. Education. Taxes. Environment, etc... But you know the one thing that every single presidential candidate always agrees on no matter what. They all agree that the U.S. needs to support Israel with unwavering support, no matter what the cost. That's because it would be political suicide for a candidate to say anything otherwise about Israel. They know it, and you obviously don't. And your politicians know it for exactly the reasons, and history that I mentioned in the previous post.

So my question.. because God?

 

[xpoverzion]

So my question.. because God?

What about God?

 

[WeedZ]

What about God?

Something has to make the region so influential to make it responsible for the rise and fall of nations. It's not their booming first world tech, or arsenal of weaponry. Are you saying god is behind it?

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Christ, this threads been totally highjacked.. I'm sorry

 

[lordkaos]

 

[xpoverzion]

Something has to make the region so influential to make it responsible for the rise and fall of nations. It's not their booming first world tech, or arsenal of weaponry. Are you saying god is behind it?

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No. It's not about God or anything like that. It's about the power of money... As it is right now, "Israel" prints every single U.S. dollar that circulates around the world. It's always about money, and "Israel" pulls the purse strings of most western economies which is why most western nations, and their politicians, bow to her demands, especially the U.S. It has been this way throughout most of the west's history, going back to the ancient world. Note too, that put Israel in parentheses as I am not referring to only the political state of Israel in the Middle East.

 

[SG854]

This is the police. Come out with your hands up.
This thread is being hijacked and held hostage by @WeedZ.

 

[WeedZ]

It's just keeps getting deeper. I can't anymore.

This is the police. Come out with your hands up.
This thread is being hijacked and held hostage by @WeedZ.

I surrender, don't shoot.

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Wait, was it circulating us money when it took down rome? No. No, nevermind.

 

[xpoverzion]

It's just keeps getting deeper. I can't anymore.


I surrender, don't shoot.

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Wait, was it circulating us money when it took down rome? No. No, nevermind.

Dumbass. The goal is not to take down the countries that you hijack economically. It's to empower them under your economic scheme and yoke so that the country becomes a beast of burden so to say for "Israel." And a mercenary army that stupidly pays out of it's own pocket as is the case with the U.S. right now.

 

[kumikochan]

Dumbass. The goal is not to take down the countries that you hijack economically. It's to empower them under your economic scheme and yoke so that the country becomes a beast of burden so to say for "Israel." And a mercenary army that stupidly pays out of it's own pocket as is the case with the U.S. right now.

You lose an argument as soon as you resort to name calling. Just saying.

 

[WeedZ]

Dumbass. The goal is not to take down the countries that you hijack economically. It's to empower them under your economic scheme and yoke so that the country becomes a beast of burden so to say for "Israel." And a mercenary army that stupidly pays out of it's own pocket as is the case with the U.S. right now.

Let's just let these innocent people go, huh?

 

[SG854]

You lose an argument as soon as you resort to name calling. Just saying.

Fallacy. You loose an argument by making a bad argument. Not by name calling.

 

[kumikochan]

Fallacy. You loose an argument by making a bad argument. Not by name calling.

People start to name when they lose making a point. When they can't respond properly to another argument that has just been said they get frustated and angry and resort to name calling. How can you be taken seriously in an argument when you resort to that. A proper argument should be respectful and being open towards another opinion. If you resort to name calling you're not open to another opinion and your own faults wich makes it not an argument anymore so yeah it does, you lose the argument because it's not anymore.