About today’s Florida shooting

[Xzi]

But then there's argument in that video, 'if you can't get rid of it 100%, then it's not worth it.'

Any reduction in the number guns (however small the amount) would be beneficial.

I agree but I also see WeedZ's perspective and I don't think it's possible to get rid of any guns. The streets are already flooded with them in certain areas, and certain crazies own upward of fifty or a hundred. All you do by even implying reduction in guns is add to total gun ownership.

 

[WeedZ]

Ban the guns. Why is it so hard for Americans to get that?
Who do you need to defend from if no one has a gun any more?
They have no place in public hands in civilized society and we'll be having this same thread everytime it happens until someone makes a ban happen.

We barely have any gun deaths in UK and it's not rocket science, it's because we have no guns for sale to the public.
We have a lot of knife crime, but I'd rather take my chances against a guy with a knife than a guy with an AR15.

Your cops don't have guns either. You have any idea how many people are gunned down by police here? You think our government will take power from the police force once civilians give them up? We want to avoid a military state.

 

[T-hug]

Your cops don't have guns either. You have any idea how many people are gunned down by police here? You think our government will take power from the police force once civilians give them up? We want to avoid a military state.

Our police can indeed have guns, and do, but only when it's necessary. Every officer doesn't need to be armed. This isn't about law enforcement though, and with an all out ban on guns, it would be a lot harder for police to shoot to kill AND get away with it.

 

[Xzi]

Your cops don't have guns either. You have any idea how many people are gunned down by police here? You think our government will take power from the police force once civilians give them up? We want to avoid a military state.

Well, the primary reason I own guns is target shooting, and the secondary is home defense as a last resort (.45 and shotgun, so either is likely to kill). The military would not fire on US civilians if ordered to, but if for some reason they did, our pea shooters would do us no good anyway. They have killer drones and chemical warfare from hell and tanks and fighter jets and etc and so forth. If the US military really wants you dead they just blow up whatever building you're in.

 

[WeedZ]

Our police can indeed have guns, and do, but only when it's necessary. Every officer doesn't need to be armed. This isn't about law enforcement though, and with an all out ban on guns, it would be a lot harder for police to shoot to kill AND get away with it.

They shoot unarmed people all the time. Our countries have two completely different histories. England and it's first police force was already established by the time guns became a thing. The US was largely unsettled. Being that most of the land was lawless and unorganized, our law enforcement relied mainly on militia and civil vigilantes. If we had been established before the invention of firearms it could have been controlled. The other issue is that firearms played a huge role in our independence from King George and establishing us as a country. That's why we have the freedom to bare arms in our constitution. We are established by guns. It's no easy thing to take them away, and given our constitution, it's illegal to do so.

 

[shaunj66]

Just read about this. I don't have much to say apart from the shooter is a fucking coward and I hope he rots.

My thoughts go out to the families of the tragically innocent victims .

 

[WeedZ]

Just read about this. I don't have much to say apart from the shooter is a fucking coward and I hope he rots.

My thoughts go out to the families of the tragically innocent victims .

I think we can all agree on that

 

[dimmidice]

A former student who was apparently expelled for issues inside the school. Mate, the issue isn't gun laws. The issue isn't the gun. It's the person. It's the people. He CLEARLY was a troubled person. He apparently has a background of some mental issues. Instead of getting him the help he needed, he was pushed away. I'm going to say this now, if any of you think guns are ANY part of the problem here, you're an idiot.

It being harder to get guns isn't a bad thing. Who even needs an assault rifle for any legitimate reason?

 

[Vamosi]

Corrupted goverment is the problem, they want to disarm people for their agenda and will use any means.

 

[Deleted User]

Of course the person itself is the source issue, but you can’t deny that gun laws make it worse. A crazy person with a gun is more dangerous than a crazy person with a knife. You can’t make laws to prevent crazy persons but you can make laws that prevent crazy persons with a gun.

i can do much more damage with a knife than i can with a gun

 

[spinal_cord]

The issue isn't the gun. It's the person. It's the people.

Living in a sensible country, that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

We have had ONE school shooting EVER. You know what we did about it? Have a guess... We BANNED guns and guess what? Go on... have a guess... We haven't had a school shooting since. Not ONE!

I can't believe anyone can turn around and say that a 101% gun ownership rate is not responsible for people getting shot. The more guns there are, the more likely you are to get shot, it isn't complicated math here.
If I don't have a gun, I can't shoot you, no matter how bad my upbringing, or how many mental issues I have. Yet if I have a gun, even if I am the most calm, stable and enlightened person on the planet, I can still shoot you with it.

 

[sarkwalvein]

Ban the guns. Why is it so hard for Americans to get that?

I think it may be related to the importance of "individual rights" over "social rights" in the American mind, or how the individual and what an individual can do is seen as more important than its effects on society as a whole.

It is an idea I have, but I think it is related to how many people think that "they can reach the american dream", they can get rich, etc, and they decide to go along with things that would make it possible even if only for a few to become richer even if that means a lot of people will have a worse life because of that, even if it means they themselves will have a worse life, they may end up worse but people still think they will be one of the few that can reach that "dream", even when statistics are against them.

The same way, I think people believe that if they can have a gun, they can defend themselves, so if someone came to kill them, they will at least be able to counterattack. They are thinking individually, instead of thinking that if they can have guns, it means it is easier for everybody to have guns, and it makes it easier for way more people to come to kill them. The global result may be worse, but I believe people in America usually think in the local, individual scale, not in the global scale.

Of course all of this is prejudice.

 

[leon315]

US gun laws must be changed

Bill clinton has tried, obama has tried, are there anyone else have tried? no luck... now ask Trump for it.

 

[Dante2405]

I'm French and spend a few month in US every year for work purpose. That's a country I know as well as others (been traveling for quite long) so I believe I've got perspectives.
When I read peoples still not blaming gun laws after the 19th school shooting of the year, I can only get angry.
Yeah there are society problems, mental illnesses and all that shit but guess what... in other countries too.

You don't get 17 dead bodies out of an angry sick teenager. You get it out of a sick teenager with easy gun access. Period!

 

[mightymuffy]

To be honest my first reaction, being at work, was sadness for victims and their families

..but also a slight rolling of the eyes at the whole gun thing over on that side of the pond. The gun thing cannot be addressed so easily I admit - one can't simply wave a magic wand and make that whole complete balls up of an idea go away....
But the rolling eyes disappeared quickly when I got home and found out the weapon was an AK15?? Just what in the name of fuck are weapons like that doing in the hands of the US public?! My mind is just fukkin boggled, semi automatics available freely?! I mean of course the common stereotype for Americans is you're all a bit stupid yeah? In the same way as every Brit has hardly any teeth? You all kick off when the rest of the world calls you thick, but.... y'know? 19 year old kid walking into a high school with a semi automatic, for the umpteenth time? Come on lads, anyone still defending the gun issue here - get a grip...

 

[Localhorst86]

Easy gun access is the cause for the magnitude of the problem. Wether it is by buying the guns legaly in a shop or by stealing them from someone else, you can not deny that the 19th school shooting in the US this year alone (That's a school shooting every other day ffs!) can only be caused by this fact. Other countries with strict gun laws have a lot fewer school shootings. Let's take Germany, for example. People can own guns, but very few people do. So with fewer guns around, it's also harder to steal guns. Here's a (as far as I know) complete list of school shootings in germany in the last 17 years:

2002, Erfurt: 17 dead, including the gunner - guns illegaly purchased from proper gun stores with fraudulent documents
2002, Eching: 4 dead* including the gunner - origin of the guns unknown *only 1 person at the shool was killed, the shooting started at a company the person was laid off from.
2003, Coburg: 1 dead, including the gunner - origin of the guns unknown
2006, Emsdetten: 1 dead, including the gunner - guns purchased online, legal to own without special permits
2009, Ansbach: none dead - no guns used, only axes, knives and molotov cocktails.

 

[spinal_cord]

Here's a (as far as I know) complete list of school shootings in England in the last 17 years:

 

[linuxares]

I'm starting to get that all americans got mental health issues that seriously want to protect guns. Take them away and it's harder for a person to get hold of them. Yes, it won't stop everything, neither will keep allowing the guns either. Just sayin'
Mental Health seems to be an scapegoat.

 

[sarkwalvein]

Here's a (as far as I know) complete list of school shootings in England in the last 17 years:

England seems safer than most Englishmen, specially politicians, usually suggest.

 

[Owenge]

This happened 10 minutes away from my house so ya, scary shit