Today, a Madden NFL 19 gaming tournament took place in Jacksonville Florda. Sadly, it appears a shooting occurred at the event, leading to four currently confirmed deaths. One of the competitors, Drini Gjoka claimed that they fled the area, and was grazed by a bullet while the shooter was active. Jacksonville's Police Department have stated that a shooting did happen, but have not explained any further details at this time, while also telling citizens to stay away from The Landing, where the tragedy took place. The tournament was a qualifier event, which was officially backed by EA Sports. At the time of writing, there are a total of 11 victims. A potential suspect was found dead at the scene.

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[Xzi]

There's a very distinct mechanical difference between how the two operate and I refuse to believe that you would just "forget it" because firing a bump-stocked weapon is very unusual and unlike firing anything else, which casts a shadow of doubt on your account. The way you fire it is precisely why I said it's stupid and ineffective, it's a little bit more than just "unruly" and nothing like an automatic weapon, or any other firearm for that matter.

Well it was in my early 20s, I'm now in my 30s and I've smoked a lot of weed since then. But point taken, watching the video that is quite unique and it might not have been a bump stock I fired, I can't be sure now.

Regardless, that style of fire doesn't seem like it would be that hard to get used to with a little practice.

 

[Foxi4]

It's obvious that guns cause more harm than good.

It's not in the least bit obvious. According to the CDC defensive gun use is commonplace. They concluded that most national surveys find that firearms are used in self-defense anywhere between 500,000 to even 3,000,000 times a year, in contrast with 300,000 gun-related violent crimes yearly. Most of those uses go unreported as the weapon is often never discharged, but even if we go with the reported, conservative estimate that's at least 67,000 instances of confirmed DGU, which translates to a lot of saved lives. Even if this wasn't the case, statistics should not affect one's right to self-defense - Americans are among the few nations who are still free to protect themselves and their homes from assault and ideally it should stay that way.

Well it was in my early 20s, I'm now in my 30s and I've smoked a lot of weed since then. But point taken, watching the video that is quite unique and it might not have been a bump stock I fired, I can't be sure now.

Regardless, that style of fire doesn't seem like it would be that hard to get used to with a little practice.

Even trained marksmen don't recommend bump stocks - just pulling the trigger quickly is a superior alternative unless your intention is to blast through a magazine as quickly as possible to turn a target dummy into a bunch of dust, which I can imagine to be a fun experience. There's a lot of different mods out there, you may have fired a crank or a hell-fire trigger, the latter seems to fall in line with the timing.

 

[Xzi]

It's not in the least bit obvious. According to the CDC defensive gun use is commonplace, they've found that most national surveys find that firearms are used in self-defense anywhere between 500,000 to even 3,000,000 times a year, in contrast with 300,000 gun-related violent yearly. Most of those uses go unreported as the weapon is often never discharged, but even if we go with the reported, conservative estimate that's at least 67,000 instances of confirmed DGU, which translates to a lot of saved lives. Even if this wasn't the case, statistics should not affect one's right to self-defense - Americans are among the few nations who are still free to protect themselves and their homes from assault and ideally it should stay that way.

There's no denying that so much gun ownership is a double-edged sword. We buy guns to protect ourselves from guns. Nobody buys a gun with the express intention of murder or reports their primary use of them as such, but gun murders happen constantly anyway.

 

[XDel]

Thing is.. Int he old west you actually had to check your gun at the sheriffs station before going into town in a lot of places.

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How many more before it's you that can't continue on with life?

Sure thing, many towns did have this policy, but a policy is like bringing a napkin to a gun fight. Only two things kept people from violating those laws day in and day out. One was the fear of being shot back, the second was an individual agreement to abide by the laws set forth as an honorable means to attempt to evade fights and murders, where in guns are employed to reach those ends.
Mind you, removing guns does not remove the means, guns just make some things easier, and again, if someone really wanted to, they could put together a group that out numbered and out gunned a town's militia or what have you, and topple it, should they have desired.
What people need more than control, is to have meaningful education about guns amongst other things, readily available as opposed to the non-sense that pases as news and entertainment these days.

 

[Deleted User]

Today in Florida: Florida.

 

[Foxi4]

There's no denying that so much gun ownership is a double-edged sword. We buy guns to protect ourselves from guns. Nobody buys a gun with the express intention of murder or reports their primary use of them as such, but gun murders happen constantly anyway.

It's not the criminals I'm worried about, criminals will find a way no matter how you legislate, especially when the U.S. has insecure borders and smuggling people and cargo from South America is still relatively commonplace. It's the principle of bearing arms that's important to many people, the right to self-determine your fate and, in a lot of ways, preventing the government from taking things too far. As my main man Shapiro says, "the fact that my grandparents didn't fear tyranny is why there are ashes in Europe" - love him or hate him, but he's right. As I said earlier, freedom is always one generation away from extinction and I firmly believe that citizens should de facto distrust their representatives, keep'em honest.

 

[Xzi]

It's not the criminals I'm worried about, criminals will find a way no matter how you legislate, especially when the U.S. has insecure borders and smuggling people and cargo from South America is still relatively commonplace. It's the principle of bearing arms that's important to many people, the right to self-determine your fate and, in a lot of ways, preventing the government from taking things too far. As my main man Shapiro says, "the fact that my grandparents didn't fear tyranny is why there are ashes in Europe" - love him or hate him, but he's right. As I said earlier, freedom is always one generation away from extinction and I firmly believe that citizens should de facto distrust their representatives, keep'em honest.

IMO using 2A to overthrow a tyrannical government or stand up to the police state long ago became a pipe dream, the US populace is far too complacent. Not to mention that our weapons wouldn't do shit against the military if they decided to get hostile, and everybody is aware of that fact.

 

[Tigran]

IMO using 2A to overthrow a tyrannical government or stand up to the police state long ago became a pipe dream, the US populace is far too complacent. Not to mention that our weapons wouldn't do shit against the military if they decided to get hostile, and everybody is aware of that fact.

Not to mention, most of the people who claim they want guns to fight the goverment... would be absolutely useless. They could easily be taken out while they stand in their doorways like idiots shooting wildly.

 

[Foxi4]

IMO using 2A to overthrow a tyrannical government or stand up to the police state long ago became a pipe dream, the US populace is far too complacent. Not to mention that our weapons wouldn't do shit against the military if they decided to get hostile, and everybody is aware of that fact.

I disagree. If there was an *actual* tyrannical government in place, I honestly believe private citizens would stand up against it effectively, and Vietnam shows precisely how and why - the U.S. military is not designed for combating long-term guerilla warfare, it's designed with shock and awe in mind. Moreover, I very much doubt that the American military would happily turn against their friends and family - this would immediately cause a civil war. Finally, because of the sheer number of armed citizens, any conventional or even unconventional warheads are basically non-starters due to collateral - there's a gun owner on every street in the U.S., what are you going to do about it, bomb every single street? This is precisely why confiscation is not an option - because the *threat* of armed rebellion is enough to ensure that you'll never have to rebel.

 

[Xzi]

This is precisely why confiscation is not an option - because the *threat* of armed rebellion is enough to ensure that you'll never have to rebel.

You're giving the average US citizen far too much credit in assuming they would know when authoritarianism was taking root and our rights were being stripped away. That shit kicked into overdrive after 9/11 and GWB's policies like the Patriot Act, but the majority of vocal 2A people were on his side, and plenty of other citizens were simply apathetic. Some years later, all internet traffic starts running through and being stored in a massive NSA server complex underneath Utah, including everyone's personal data. Still not a peep from the tyranny fighters. Now we've got Trump and a whole new set of problems, not the least of which being that he's the first president implicated in multiple felonies, but still they'll do nothing and many support him.

Long story short, there is no threat of armed rebellion because people (in particular any 2Aer that needs the NRA to tell them how to feel) are either apathetic, completely inattentive to politics/current events, or just plain ignorant/stupid and thus easy to manipulate. The US education system has failed us many times over. If anything, the government will collapse under the weight of incompetence of our elected leaders long before citizens stage an armed rebellion against it.

 

[Bladexdsl]

did someone forget it was just a game?

 

[Kourin]

How many shootings is it going to take for America to do something?

 

[Foxi4]

You're giving the average US citizen far too much credit in assuming they would know when authoritarianism was taking root and our rights were being stripped away. That shit kicked into overdrive after 9/11 and GWB's policies like the Patriot Act, but the majority of vocal 2A people were on his side, and plenty of other citizens were simply apathetic. Some years later, all internet traffic starts running through and being stored in a massive NSA server complex underneath Utah, including everyone's personal data. Still not a peep from the tyranny fighters. Now we've got Trump and a whole new set of problems, the least of which being that he's the first president implicated in multiple felonies, but still they'll do nothing and many support him.

Long story short, there is no threat of armed rebellion because people (in particular any 2Aer that needs the NRA to tell them how to feel) are either apathetic, completely inattentive to politics/current events, or just plain ignorant/stupid. The US education system has failed us many times over. If anything, the government will collapse under the weight of incompetence of our elected leaders long before citizens stage an armed rebellion against it.

You're partially right - you can boil a frog without protest as long as you do it slowly. The offense would have to be pretty sudden and egregious. It also depends on your definition of what's an offense or what's tyrannical. As for the case for citizens against the federal government, your mileage may vary - the Bundy stand-off shows that the whole point of the 2nd is still alive and well as Mr.Bundy, his family and his associates are free with their charges dismissed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

 

[Deleted User]

It's been proven repeatedly that gun sales has no correlation with violent crime. If that guy didn't have a gun, he would've used a dirty bomb, if he didn't have this, then he would've used that.

There really should be better mental healthcare, but instead, everyone's rallying once more behind the age old banner of 'guns are bad'.

Taking guns out of the people's hands, for ANY reason, is not the answer. Though a lot of the centrist suggestions of minor gun control make sense on the surface, that doesn't change the fact that youre denying people their right to self defense. Fun fact, I have a history of suicial attempts and chronic depression. So should I be denied a gun?

 

[Xzi]

You're partially right - you can boil a frog without protest as long as you do it slowly. The offense would have to be pretty sudden and egregious. It also depends on your definition of what's an offense or what's tyrannical. As for the case for citizens against the federal government, your mileage may vary - the Bundy stand-off shows that the whole point of the 2nd is still alive and well as Mr.Bundy, his family and his associates are free with their charges dismissed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

The point of 2A is to terrorize parks employees and fill a wildlife refuge building with garbage and shit? Huh, TIL.

I can see how they might've thought they were making a good point with their actions, but they just came off as douchebags, and I'm glad people sent them dildos in the mail during that. They chose the most cowardly way to show resistance that they possibly could.

 

[Foxi4]

It's been proven repeatedly that gun sales has no correlation with violent crime. If that guy didn't have a gun, he would've used a dirty bomb, if he didn't have this, then he would've used that.

There really should be better mental healthcare, but instead, everyone's rallying once more behind the age old banner of 'guns are bad'.

Taking guns out of the people's hands, for ANY reason, is not the answer. Though a lot of the centrist suggestions of minor gun control make sense on the surface, that doesn't change the fact that youre denying people their right to self defense. Fun fact, I have a history of suicial attempts and chronic depression. So should I be denied a gun?

Yes, you should, and I'm a gun advocate. Not for your sake, mind - anyone can attempt suicide if they put their mind to it, that's beyond our control. What is in our control is gun ownership, and I firmly believe that if you're mentally unstable, a gun is the last thing you need - you'd pose a danger to others, no offense. I wish you well on your road to recovery though - life is worth living, I'm sure you have friends here on the Temp, and finding a therapist might help too if you have trouble opening up.

The point of 2A is to terrorize parks employees and fill a wildlife refuge building with garbage and shit? Huh, TIL.

I can see how they might've thought they were making a good point with their actions, but they just came off as douchebags, and I'm glad people sent them dildos in the mail during that. They chose the most cowardly way to show resistance that they possibly could.

Seems to me like they won - they are free, they got their cattle back, the cattle continue to "illegaly" graze on the same land it grazed on for generations and nobody got killed in the process. Cowardly? Maybe, but it worked for them.

 

[The Catboy]

I'm not saying that the fact that people get shot is not in part because they have access to guns - it is. Without guns there would be no shootings, without cars there would be no road accidents, what of it? The problem here is the black market which will never wholly be eliminated and the cost in freedom which in my estimation is just too great to bear. By saying that the United States should "get on the same level with the rest of the world" you're effectively advocating for a blanket ban on firearms, which I knew was your intention from the start and which you vehemently denied. All I wanted was for you to admit that and say it out loud instead of pulling wool over people's eyes as if that wasn't at all what you meant and that you had a magical law that wouldn't ostensibly limit their freedom. It's the lying that I don't like, not your sentiment - we can't have a discussion if you plan on being dishonest or refuse to acknowledge what you actually want.

I am not playing your game anymore, I know what you are doing and that you are trying to control the conversation in your favor through strawman arguments. I never said anything along those lines, but you are the one choosing the distort my statements in an attempt to make me look like I am advocating for a blanket ban on guns. Other countries still have guns, what they don't have is guns like handguns and AR-15s. Other countries have better background checks, mental screenings, and training before the person can get a gun. Other countries don't have regular mass shootings because of these regulations. I won't admit shit because you are making it up to make me look bad.

 

[Xzi]

Seems to me like they won - they are free, they got their cattle back, the cattle continue to "illegaly" graze on the same land it grazed on for generations and nobody got killed in the process. Cowardly? Maybe, but it worked for them.

Seems like the whole thing got dismissed based on something the government prosecutors did wrong. Possibly on purpose given that the government was being run by Trump when it went to trial. So I guess it's a "win" based on a technicality and a changing political climate that allows for bending or altogether breaking laws, but the ends still don't justify the means. Not to mention one of their buddies got shot up and killed by the feds after pulling a weapon on them during the occupation period. The remaining dipshits will have to live with that for the rest of their lives.

 

[Joom]

Every mass shooting has one thing in common - a gun. That's also the easiest one to fix. Make access to guns harder for people with mental health issues, implement basic background checks, implement mandatory waiting periods, and literally 90% of all violence in the USA is gone. The only people who oppose basic gun control are murderers.

Except you can't force this on private sellers, which makes your point moot. Anyone can come off the street into a gun show, and walk out with anything without any sort of background check. You wanna control guns? Make the ammunition super difficult to obtain. They're kinda useless without that, and that'd be much easier to regulate than guns themselves.

 

[WhiteMaze]

The statistics don't hold out for such a conclusion; it's safer than it's ever been. Violent crime has been dropping for decades on pretty much all fronts. Shootings like these, as tragic as they are, represent only a tiny blip on the radar in terms of overall violence. As for why they occur, I'm nowhere near qualified to even attempt to answer that. StarGazerTom's answer would be my best guess.

Trying to defend such a horrible situation with general crime percentage, is not only despicable, but also very disturbing to hear. This is exactly the horrific type of mentality that has driven the United States to the current situation.

This is a massive problem, seen only in the USA, yet it refuses to change its gun policies while people keep dying.

With all that said, I hope you change your mindset soon. Peace.

EDIT: I've calmed down.