(US-Election) So howsabout voting by mail?

[UltraSUPRA]

Anarchy is cool actually.

Also, you act like Capitalism doesn't? Look at all the chaos going on right now.

Now imagine if there wasn't anyone to stop it.

 

[Seliph]

Now imagine if there wasn't anyone to stop it.

I don't have to, that's already the case. Living conditions are getting worse and worse in the US, millions are unemployed and face eviction. No one seems to be trying to stop this except for the people?

 

[UltraSUPRA]

I don't have to, that's already the case. Living conditions are getting worse and worse in the US, millions are unemployed and face eviction. No one seems to be trying to stop this except for the people?

You've been trying to disband the people who are supposed to stop the riots.

 

[Seliph]

You've been trying to disband the people who are supposed to stop the riots.

Yeah, cuz if we got rid of them then there wouldn't BE riots. We can no longer depend on corporations, the police, or the lame stinky government. The only thing we can depend on is the power of ourselves and others through mutual aid and support. I've seen this power in action and it looks way cooler than police attacking and arresting demonstrators every goddamn night.

Go read some Errico Malatesta, it would do you good.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Yeah, cuz if we got rid of them then there wouldn't BE riots. We can no longer depend on corporations, the police, or the lame stinky government. The only thing we can depend on is the power of ourselves and others through mutual aid and support. I've seen this power in action and it looks way cooler than police attacking and arresting demonstrators every goddamn night.

Go read some Errico Malatesta, it would do you good.

The only way to stop criminals is through fear.

 

[Seliph]

The only way to stop criminals is through fear.

Now THAT's a hot take right there lmao

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Now THAT's a hot take right there lmao

I mean the only thing keeping me from constantly saying the 'N' word (other than my no-swearing rule) is the fear of a ban.

 

[Seliph]

I mean the only thing keeping me from constantly saying the 'N' word (other than my no-swearing rule) is the fear of a ban.

Oh my

 

[Deleted User]

The only way to stop criminals is through fear.

Well, if we have learned nothing, we must consider about how much illegal crap the president has done, or how much of the rich has gotten away with illegal acts. I don't think "fear" is going to work unless it's actually acted no? Which in this case it hasn't, and the rich has mostly set up home base with the government. While more closely eying the poor since they don't have as much money. or, in other words, as much power. Why have an issue when you can just lobby the senator? Send many people as you can to overwhelm the real situation. With the amount of loopholes set up, I honestly don't believe there is any fear for the rich. They simply are often above the law. Trump is a proven case of that. I don't think I have to enumerate everything illegal he has done. and this isn't just about him. there are plenty others.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Well, if we have learned nothing, we must consider about how much illegal crap the president has done, or how much of the rich has gotten away with illegal acts. I don't think "fear" is going to work unless it's actually acted no? Which in this case it hasn't, and the rich has mostly set up home base with the government. While more closely eying the poor since they don't have as much money. or, in other words, as much power. Why have an issue when you can just lobby the senator? Send many people as you can to overwhelm the real situation. With the amount of loopholes set up, I honestly don't believe there is any fear for the rich. They simply are often above the law. Trump is a proven case of that. I don't think I have to enumerate everything illegal he has done. and this isn't just about him. there are plenty others.

What did Trump do?
As for rich people, they often pay the most in taxes, which goes to the city, which goes to the prisons. A rich person who goes to jail gets to play tennis as long as (s)he wants.

 

[Hanafuda]

I can only conclude that this is very much Trump's intentional strategy, to declare victory as early as possible with only 50% to 75% of the votes being reported, and prior to many important battleground states actually having been called for either candidate. Then cry foul later, call it an illegitimate election, demand Barr open an investigation, etc and so forth. It's a desperation play, and it certainly gives the appearance that he knows he's likely to lose.

I don't agree with your predictions for how it'll go, but I'm well aware of the Biden voters' concerns. You're aware of the concerns of Trump voters, even if you dismiss them. We would both prefer to avoid it.

So why not set a deadline for mailing ballots that accommodates voters and USPS so they can ALL be counted by midnight Nov 3? You never said if you thought it was a good plan. It's not like it's an unprecedented or unfair procedure ... most states that accommodate early voting already have a date sometime prior to the election when it ends. Mailed in ballots only have to cross town in 99.9% of cases, so two weeks should be more than enough time.

 

[omgcat]

I don't agree with your predictions for how it'll go, but I'm well aware of the Biden voters' concerns. You're aware of the concerns of Trump voters, even if you dismiss them. We would both prefer to avoid it.

So why not set a deadline for mailing ballots that accommodates voters and USPS so they can ALL be counted by midnight Nov 3? You never said if you thought it was a good plan. It's not like it's an unprecedented or unfair procedure ... most states that accommodate early voting already have a date sometime prior to the election when it ends. Mailed in ballots only have to cross town in 99.9% of cases, so two weeks should be more than enough time.

that would be a good idea if the USPS wasn't actively being gutted by the trump administration. Dejoy is a trump donor, and U.S. Postal Service Board of Governors chairman Robert Duncan was the director of a major GOP super PAC. Mail sorting machines that were super expensive to buy and cheap as fuck to run are being stripped out and dismantled which makes zero sense. until these two people we're put in place, the USPS was handling the pandemic shipping load just fine. The GOP are actively trying to suppress the vote in very specific zip codes. some of the most blatant corruption i have ever seen

Real rural American's understand how integral the USPS is to small rural businesses. FedEx and UPS do not and will not take over last-mile delivery because it would cost them more money than they would make with the package flow, that's business. this is why the USPS is a "service" not a business. Anyone who votes for someone who hurts the USPS is voting to hurt rural Americans, plain and simple.

 

[Xzi]

So why not set a deadline for mailing ballots that accommodates voters and USPS so they can ALL be counted by midnight Nov 3? You never said if you thought it was a good plan.

The fundamental issue is that it should be unnecessary to move the deadline at all, given that with proper equipment and funding, USPS would have no problem delivering ballots same-day, in some cases within hours of receiving them. Instead, with all mail being sorted by hand, and with postal workers being denied overtime, there's no guarantee that setting a deadline even a month ahead of the election would ensure all ballots are counted by midnight November 3rd. And that's just where domestic ballots are concerned...you can't forget that ballots from American citizens living overseas/troops stationed overseas also have to be delivered by USPS (just as things were pre-COVID too).

 

[Deleted User]

What did Trump do?
As for rich people, they often pay the most in taxes, which goes to the city, which goes to the prisons. A rich person who goes to jail gets to play tennis as long as (s)he wants.

well. let's start with the fact he has created multiple fake/scam businesses that had to be shut down. allocated campaign dollars to things that are not his campaign. Trump illegally reallocating funds to build his "wall" (this isn't me just saying that, as the 9th circuit court said no, that's illegal. And it is since funding has to be allocated and allowed by congress.) And that's the tip of the iceberg. Like, TINY tip.



And no rich people don't pay taxes, most of them do tax evasion. This is also already well known.

 

[TheCasualties]

Fear is the worst way to run a country. How could you possibly think that's a good idea? That is literally a fascist society. It baffles me how so many people are ok with USA becoming fascist. I fear the UN will have to intervene at some point and WW3 will start in Trumps 2nd term.

Oh my

Honestly I don't know how we can reach this kind of person with reason. You'd think kindness and compassion, understanding of other's problems would be obvious. But it seems like "every man for themselves" now. I miss the old days of neighbors helping eachother and being friends with your fellow man. Hell, that's why I left.

 

[Seliph]

Hell, that's why I left.

You left? Lucky.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Fear is the worst way to run a country. How could you possibly think that's a good idea? That is literally a fascist society. It baffles me how so many people are ok with USA becoming fascist. I fear the UN will have to intervene at some point and WW3 will start in Trumps 2nd term.

1. When I say fear, I'm talking about how when you're young, and your parents catch you doing something bad, you get grounded. I'm not talking like a dystopian future like Hunger Games, I'm talking about what we already have in place, but with better cops.
2. Fascism is when people willingly subordinate themselves to the state.

 

[Seliph]

2. Fascism is when people willingly subordinate themselves to the state.

No. I mean, that can be an aspect of Fascism, but willing subordination to the state doesn't automatically make the state Fascist. If that were the case then you could call any society dictated by the state a Fascist society, and I don't think you want to do that.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

No. I mean, that can be an aspect of Fascism, but willing subordination to the state doesn't automatically make the state Fascist. If that were the case then you could call any society dictated by the state a Fascist society, and I don't think you want to do that.

Have you ever heard of Giovanni Gentile?

 

[Ryccardo]

I consider distance voting a perfectly valid concept, and it better be since I disagree with indirect (elective) democracy in the first place