Suicide of Near, bsnes and higan developer

[Seliph]

The life style that some LGBTQ+ people choose to live is a big reason why they suffer from mental illness. Participating in behaviors that always end up hurting you is not a smart way to live your life. The Deadly Sins are called deadly for a reason. If they would stop behaving in such manner they'd find that their mental illness and problems would lesson if not almost completely go away. I don't mean to Preach, but it's sad that people end up committing suicide and I'm just trying to share what I know that works in an attempt to help others who may be contemplating suicide.

This is a weird and incredibly tone-deaf thing to say. Please be respectful

 

[AkikoKumagara]

The life style that some LGBTQ+ people choose to live is a big reason why they suffer from mental illness. Participating in behaviors that always end up hurting you is not a smart way to live your life. The Deadly Sins are called deadly for a reason. If they would stop behaving in such manner they'd find that their mental illness and problems would lesson if not almost completely go away. I don't mean to Preach, but it's sad that people end up committing suicide and I'm just trying to share what I know that works in an attempt to help others who may be contemplating suicide.

They're not committing suicide because of their sexuality or gender identity, and they do not have mental illness because of those things. That's not how mental illness works. How about not blaming the victim? There was a harassment campaign against them.

 

[the_randomizer]

As a mental health professional, allow me to say this: go fuck yourself.

Don't care if I'm permabanned. Go fuck yourself.

Seconded, people need to keep their shitbrained opinions about how "oh he was this way because of blah blah blah" yeah, to anyone who says that or it was a result of X?
To those people I say: shut your fucking mouth. Thanks.

 

[The Catboy]

Calling someone an idiot online isn't hate speech. There's a huge difference between hate speech and "something somebody said that offends me". Hitler making speeches inciting violence and detention of Jews was hate speech. A bunch of random people talking about somebody's weird online antics is not hate speech.

It's business because by arbitrarily deciding to drop websites for no reason other than people got offended hurts their credibility. It also gives everyone a reason to request things that offend them get censored.

And what goes on at KiwiFarms might not meet the requirements to legally be harassment where they're based. Unless the website is actually actively encouraging people to directly harass the people they talk about on there while unpleasant may not be breaking any actual laws.

In order for the FBI to be able to do anything the website needs to be operating out of the US or be involved in some sort of crime in the US where it's possible to extradite the site owner. So even if they wanted to shut it down they might not be able to.

The site is based in the US, I literally just looked it up. The owner of the site lives in Florida, you can literally find all of his public information with a simple Google search. I am honestly shocked that he’s even allowed to be online considering there’s plenty of evidence of him being a pedophile. Point being, his site falls under US laws. The whole “the site isn’t encouraging people to harass people” argument is about as crap as saying “megauploads wasn’t encouraging piracy.” The site is literally dedicated to finding information on people and posting them publicly for ridicule. There’s also plenty of forums that are made to encourage the harassment of people, those can be found through a simple search. The site actively encourages the exploitation of people and it literally promotes itself on that principle. It’s so very clearly a site made to harass people that I am actually impressed by the mental gymnastics people go through to claim it’s not.

 

[weatMod]

Yeah the victim is definitely to blame here. /s

Cutting yourself off from the internet entirely is not an option when you're a software developer, nor should that be something that's asked of people who are being constantly harassed online. As I understand it, these guys frequently stalk and harass people offline too, so it wouldn't even do them much good. After being targeted by a group like that, it's not hard to understand why suicide might start looking like the only way out.

ok but nobody is forced to share their personal details online though ,that is a personal choice
if you don't want to be caught up in e-drama stay as anonymous as possible
do not post your photos or personal deatails of your life,
if you are a software you could keep things strictly business
you don't have to respond to and react to people either
and you should not be using social media and if you do you should not be leaving clues or trails where people can connect your different accounts

 

[The Catboy]

ok but nobody is forced to share their personal details online though ,that is a personal choice
if you don't want to be caught up in e-drama stay as anonymous as possible
do not post your photos or personal deatails of your life,
if you are a software you could keep things strictly business
you don't have to respond to and react to people either
and you should not be using social media and if you do you should not be leaving clues or trails where people can connect your different accounts

I really hope no one lights a match next to this post because that’s a lot of gaslighting

 

[Deleted member 559230]

They're not committing suicide because of their sexuality or gender identity, and they do not have mental illness because of those things. That's not how mental illness works. How about not blaming the victim? There was a harassment campaign against them.

Suicide by nature is only done by the person that committed suicide. No one held a gun up to his head and forced him to take pills, drink and then hang himself (if that's the extent of it). Sure, there's motivating factors, which seem to include these lousy Kiwi assholes, but in the end the Near killed himself. No one else did.

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Calling someone an idiot online isn't hate speech. There's a huge difference between hate speech and "something somebody said that offends me". Hitler making speeches inciting violence and detention of Jews was hate speech. A bunch of random people talking about somebody's weird online antics is not hate speech.

I honestly don't give a shit if something I said offends others, especially when there was no intent. They need to grow up and learn how to deal with opposing viewpoints instead of trying to shame, manipulate and control others when those others differ in opinion. I value individualism.

 

[YukidaruPunch]

For the record, and to whomever may need to hear: neither DSM-5 or ICD-11 consider gender nonconformity a "disorder" or an "illness" anymore.

Trying to refute it based on opinions is just spouting conjecture at this point. At the very least, you're trying to contest two of the world's most important compendiums on the subject based solely on personal observations. There's no basis to this.

 

[Fugelmir]

Has there been any confirmation of his death yet?

Reminds me that I need to rewatch Death Note.

 

[Deleted member 559230]

Has there been any confirmation of his death yet?

Reminds me that I need to rewatch Death Note.

Marcan from Team Twiizers confirmed it via an anonymous third party (check the main news post here on temp). Honestly I would welcome him being wrong and Near ended up calling paramedics and is alive now. Near's emulators are really good stuff and I always enjoyed reading his write ups. It's sad that he is probably dead. Really sad.

 

[JuanMena]

Has there been any confirmation of his death yet?

Reminds me that I need to rewatch Death Note.

That's what's intriguing me now. The only "confirmation" we have for his actions, comes from third persons.
It'd be a shame if he actually did.

 

[Haloman800]

Something needs to be done. Kiwi Farm needs to be removed from the net. One way or another.

Tech censorship is the modern equivalent of book burning. This suicide is tragic, but don't be like those politicians that uses tragedy to push their political agenda.

 

[tabzer]

I'm within walking distance of his house. If I knew which house was his.

Though it seems the people wanting to use the suicide soapbox seem to prefer not to know.

 

[AkikoKumagara]

"Please censor and ban this person because I don't agree with what they said and it hurts my feelings."

"Rules are bad and have no place in society" is the hill you want to die on?

 

[mattyxarope]

Tech censorship is the modern equivalent of book burning. This suicide is tragic, but don't be like those politicians that uses tragedy to push their political agenda.

Garbo opinion. People who say this are the same people who cry "FAKE NEWS!!!!!111 IMPOSE SANCTIONS ON THE TECH COMPANIES WHO LET LE FAKE NEWS GO UNPUNISHED"

 

[Haloman800]

Garbo opinion. People who say this are the same people who cry "FAKE NEWS!!!!!111 IMPOSE SANCTIONS ON THE TECH COMPANIES WHO LET LE FAKE NEWS GO UNPUNISHED"

I don't want massive corporations deciding what is "fake news"; they shouldn't be censoring people, either.

 

[mattyxarope]

I don't want massive corporations deciding what is "fake news"; they shouldn't be censoring people, either.

"Let anyone say anything, even if it leads to the literal death of a member of our community"

Gabaggio.

 

[Haloman800]

"Let anyone say anything, even if it leads to the literal death of a member of our community"

Gabaggio.

Direct threats or calls to violence are already illegal. Trolling/name calling is and should be allowed.

You don't have to visit sites that you find offensive.

 

[mattyxarope]

I swear, this whole situation has just made it clear who I should be blocking on this site and Reddit. GBATemp has been such a refuge from other sites in that it's well moderated and we don't see any hate - things like this bring out the hateful though

 

[YukidaruPunch]

Trolls in a thread about a person's suicide shows just how low we went. ):