@cots you keep saying you are not transphobic so have a look at this please. And here are some key points from it.
Transphobia can take many different forms, including
- 1 negative attitudes and beliefs
- 2 aversion to and prejudice against transgender people
- 3 disbelief or discounting preferred pronouns or gender identity
I disagree with your definition of this particular phobia (nor with the general consensus on the "anyone can edit me" wikipedia definition). While an aversion is an extreme dislike, simply not agreeing with someone, what they chose to identify themselves as or having a negative attitude isn't phobic. So aversion wouldn't fit under your current definition, even if the other two values were correct, but they aren't, because a phobia is a type of anxiety disorder, defined by a persistent and excessive fear of an object or situation. I'm not scared or trans people or have any sort of anxiety disorder because of what they believe in, I simply don't agree with a lot of them and the way they go about things.
I don't argue that you may identify as a female, but you have no right to tell me that I have to address you as a female, when you were born a biological male. That is interfering with my belief system. Now, that may be rude, but it's not any sort of phobic behavior. I'm going to chose to identify people based on their biological birth sex, not because I dislike trans people, but because I'm not going to even try to keep up with the current terminology on what people want to be called. If you can identify as anything it could get really tricky, so I rather take a cue from the Government and just address you as how you were born.
Abut the way I view the current people in the trans movement and most of their life style choices. You may view it as negative, but I don't. I think identifying them for what they are and not agreeing with them is a positive and healthy thing for me to do, nor is it extreme or severe. I don't see any negativity involved. You may, but I don't and since you're only taking your viewpoint into consideration I think it would only be fair to only take my viewpoint into consideration. Of course, life isn't fair, so that's also something you're going to have to realize and deal with.
Ok let's look at point 1 first you have severe negatively to the trans community as demonstrated in your posts above and in other threads
Not the entire community, just most of the current stuff that is going down. Remember, the current trans movement doesn't encompass all of the trans people. The friends I have that are trans want nothing to do with it and think around the same as I do about the entire situation. We're older and have been around longer so we understand more about it then this younger more naive generation does.
Ok next point 2. You have shown in several threads prejudice towards the trans community
Just the ones acting like clowns or trying to manipulate and control others to support their unhealthy, immoral and self destructing life style choices.
Ok let's move to point 3. You keep discounting my gender identity.
I don't deny that you think you're a female because you identify as a female, but that doesn't change what I chose to identify you by, which would be your biological birth sex. You should respect my beliefs and the fact that this is what I chose to identify people as. You see, things like this go both ways.
You fail several things on this list of what is considered transphobic
As I've already stated, the term is being abused. Simply not liking or disagreeing with a particular way the current trans movement is being handled or the life style lead by some of it's members isn't phobic behavior. I'm not discriminating against trans people for simply disagreeing with how some of them go about life or the choices they make.
You have came here with an agenda to turn what is a thread about pride and the lgbt community into an attempt to single out and bash the trans community
No I haven't. I replied to the OP's post regarding parades, which was my first reply, and then I replied to the general conversation going on, like I would any other thread. If there wasn't discussion regarding the trans community here, I wouldn't have replied to it. I don't need to "bash" the trans community I'm referring to in my replies, they're doing a good job at doing that themselves.
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/sexual-orientation-gender/trans-and-gender-nonconforming-identities/whats-transphobia
I see, the general consensus, from this organization is about on par with the wikipedia entry, so I also dismiss most of what they have to say based on this fact along with the fact that plannedparenthood supports and funds abortions.
"may be denied jobs, housing, or health care, just because they’re transgender."
This would be discrimination, therefor, it would fall under the category of transphobic behavior. You won't find me refusing anyone these services based solely on their chosen identity, but I sure as well could deny people services and be in my legal right for other factors that currently a lot of trans people participate in. Granted, these factors, which I've mention in my replies above (the entire "flamer" behavior) could be associated with anyone regardless if they are trans are not, I simply could refuse someone services because they are disrespectful, shoving their sexual identify in my face, harassing me, being abuse, bullying me, calling me names (including transphobic), etc ... That sort of behavior doesn't fly with me, not matter what you identify as.
The stress of transphobia on trans people can be very harmful and can cause: depression fear isolation feelings of hopelessness suicide
I could see how real discrimination, like the examples listed in my first italic quote, could contribute to these sorts of behaviors, but these sorts of behaviors are generally associated with mentally unstable people (people that don't know how to deal with their emotions in a positive manner).
By misusing the terminology trans people are creating a hostile situation were younger, more vulnerable members might think that a general dislike is phobic behavior or that they are being abused and therefor turn to these bad coping mechanisms, but in reality they aren't being harmed by someone simply having an opposing viewpoint.
I don't have an answer on how to address people with mentally fragile minds, but teaching them people are mistreating them for simply not agreeing with their lifestyle choices is contributing to the problem. Maybe if the more competent trans members weren't trying to abuse the term and push their agenda on others to try to force them to accept their belief system the weaker minded members wouldn't get so upset.
Cisgender people who are allies to trans people
This is a prime example of the sort of negative thinking that is being promoted in the community. That people are there enemies just because they disagree with them. You enemy is someone that is out to harm you, like, attack you or kill you, at best, deny your services or cause you harm. I'm not your enemy nor is someone who simply doesn't agree with you. I can see that mentally unstable people, who can't deal with opposing viewpoints or their own emotions could consider people not agreeing with them as some sort of personal attack, but it's more than likely not that way (you know, in reality, not in the "I'm going to kill myself because of XYZ" mood).
People are going to disagree with you on a daily basis about all sorts of things, and frankly, trans people can't seem to agree with their sex assigned at birth or that harming or altering your body, which was made perfect, is a sin. How do you expect that others should just change they way they think and agree with you when you can't even agree with yourself?
What can I do to help stop transphobia?
These are laid out in a particular order, some would apply to actual discrimination, while others are just a polite way to go about things and then others are just being manipulative and basically saying you have to agree with them and act a certain way otherwise you're being transphobic, but in reality, if you're using the phobic term correctly, you're not. So I generally don't agree with this section.
Thanks for the link. I had no idea this pro-abortion organization addresses the issue and to be honest I'm surprised it's not 100% bias and full of misinformation, but overall I don't agree with most of it therefor don't consider it valid. Remember, I'm going off the definition of phobia's, real phobia's - not some Wikipedia entry that is being populated throughout the internet created solely by people that are currently involved in and support the current trans movement (which is why, if you do any sort of research on how bias and inaccurate wikipedia can be, you might see my point).
Of course, I've already come to the conclusion that I'm not experiencing any sort of extreme anxiety related to trans people. If you ask my old cross dressing weight lifting male friend (who identified as a female and shared various partners at the same time - not with me of course) how scared of him I get when we used to work weekly in the gym located in his basement he'd probably look at you funny and laugh.