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Couy Griffin is disqualified for holding office after actions relating to january 6th

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Please go join a hippie communist commune. I want to see how long you last before you GTFO.
You know I don't find this statement as a personal attack. If being a hippie communist means that I actually care about people's lives beyond them existing and breathing (unlike some pro life stance I know about), then by all means call me that.
 

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You are right. I am wrong.
You asked for an apology from me for being wrong about you never taking a stance on anything.
I still stand by that.

You need a lesson in nuance. Mocking you for not apologizing as you postulate higher morality is not the same as wanting something I know not to expect. Of course you are wrong.

All of these personal attacks regarding the Buddhist religion make you a bigot at best.

I'm not attacking Buddhism. I'm mocking you for pretending to be Buddhist and actively being bad at it.

Yeah tabzer isn't particularly open to ideas not approved by his billionaire overlords

Vote Biden. Pretend he is a-ok. Prop his talking points. "I'm a hardcore edgy leftist."
 

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Since you're already laughing. Let me ask you. How would you fix the for profit healthcare system killing people. How would you resolve having a for profit military system.

Since if your laughing, that must mean some other solution that you deem "better" is possible. So I'd like to hear it. Unless your just deciding to give a nothing burger and just whining about solutions.
Just saying free Healthcare for All won't solve the problem. Look at the issues in countries like Canada and UK having long wait lists to get things done.

But since you mentioned the system killing people. One of the first things I'd do is tear down our medical education system. Doctors today read out of a book and follow a developed procedure so they don't have to worry about getting a malpractice suit. Critical thinking is a skill that's very lacking in many graduates today. This leads to many diagnoses being missed, as well as patient concerns being swept aside.

Second, any research carried out with public funds would be made freely available and not hidden behind expensive medical journal subscriptions.

Third, would be drug price caps to prevent companies from charging 20x+ in the US what they charge in other countries. Along with reforms to drugs becoming generics. I'd also say incentivizing companies to make generics rather than letting one company corner a market. And creating a policy on fuckery can make you lose your patent.

I'd have to see what effects the other policies have before recommendations on insurance changes.


As for the for-profit military?

That's easy, you shrink the bloated Federal government, stop being the world police, and have a small military for defense while staying out of conflicts between other countries.


You know I don't find this statement as a personal attack. If being a hippie communist means that I actually care about people's lives beyond them existing and breathing (unlike some pro life stance I know about), then by all means call me that.
No seriously, they exist and you can live in the socialist utopia you keep saying you want. I don't think you'd last very long in one though. They're lots of hard work.
 
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The economic model of Communism always looks great. Until they get control, then the dead bodies start piling up, and the useful idiots are the first to go.
All things being equal it's hard to disagree with this.

You need a lesson in nuance. Mocking you for not apologizing as you postulate higher morality is not the same as wanting something I know not to expect. Of course you are wrong.
You are two-dimensional and need a lesson in humility.
You share nothing of yourself and tear me down with the most personal insults.

I'm not attacking Buddhism. I'm mocking you for pretending to be Buddhist and actively being bad at it.
You asked me about thinking and I offered my answer.
You've done nothing but be a total asshole about it.
Never going back to the original question.

You are a bigot and pretending to use those slurs as nothing more than insults is a lie.
That also makes you a liar.

I've been saying you are disingenuous in all of your arguments.
All of them in no faith and totally insulting.
Call yourself some kind of deep thinking Intellectual and really just a hack.

You deserve to be told to fuck off.
 
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IDK. When you have (capitalism) willingly charge substantially higher costs on medications like insulin (for a month, it can be anywhere from 100+ dollars to far more (700))
Or a EpiPen, which the average cost is a whopping 700 bucks if your not insured (while in those crazy socialist countries who have removed a for profit healthcare system. Is a mezely 100 bucks for two)

Oh let's not forget the people dying to the exposed elements. Or the people starving. Or people dying to perfectly treatable illnesses.

And that's exluding factors like a for profit military system.
And this is excluding the type of government (authoritarian, or anarchistic)

Meanwhile communism, presuming that it's not a dictatorship (say idk. A direct democracy. So in other words anarcho communism)
You know what the deaths would be?
As little as possible. Because communists don't care about what's in your wallet. We care about other people's well being. There's no point forcing someone into a 40+ hour work grind, if their mental health is in shambles.
(hell that ignores the fact that we don't need the 40 hour work week at all. anything beyond 4 hours and our productivity has proven to tank.)
Hell conventional jobs would just be phased out, doing the same kind of work over and over day in and out is not healthy. It leads to burn out.
And it's not like no work would be done, someone still has to manage the sewers, someone still has to keep track of the electric grid. doctors are still needed.
But instead of some private business's manager handling shit. The community would handle it, aka, the people that fucking live there. Instead of relying on some private company who's just looking for the next set of massive profits.

Tl;dr Captalism has a fuck ton of blood on it's hands. From the Military, down to the United States horrible For profit healthcare system, which profits off of people's misfortunes, and kills through it's paywall. Anarcho communism is a more ethical way (or less radical views such as democratic socalism) would still be far better than Capitalism.
or heres another oneSupliment secuity Incomefor the disabled have such stringent rules on wage earning once you on itpassify's the disabled to the point they cannot work you make more than 60 a month they start fucking with it chopping that income down make $2,000 a month? kiss it good bye meanwhile have you seen rent lately for a 1 bedroom unit? more than $2,000 thats for sure oh and you losse section 8 and medicaid at 2,000 too you'll be homeless real quick
 

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I've been saying you are disingenuous in all of your arguments.
All of them in no faith and totally insulting.
Call yourself some kind of deep thinking Intellectual and really just a hack.
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It's a wonder people even talk to the guy.
 

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Nah, that was Reagan, who deserves to burn in hell.
You should watch Dallas Buyers Club. The bad guy in that movie was none other than Dr. Fauci. Even back then, gay people knew who to blame. You just regurgitate corporate media talking points.
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What are you on about? Reagan was the reason why the AIDS epidemic got to the point where it did. Blaming all of the world’s wrongs on the Left doesn’t change reality. There is no perfect system but I am pretty sure “the Left” didn’t set up a system where insurance companies can deny payments to mental health services. Since those insurance companies are privately run, that seems pretty not Left to me. It seems more like you just want to move every problem to some imaginary enemy of “The Left.”
You mean the same insurance companies that Obama forced the entire country to purchase their products? How did that work out with Covid and now monkeypox? It's amazing how fascism is blamed on the right but always lands on the left.

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You should watch Dallas Buyers Club. The bad guy in that movie was none other than Dr. Fauci. Even back then, gay people knew who to blame. You just regurgitate corporate media talking points.
Lol said the one regurgitating murdoch talking points. 0 score in awareness.
 

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How can a citizen be withheld from being elected into office? Seems quite ridiculous to me. If one garners enough votes the people’s will should be allowed.
 

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How can a citizen be withheld from being elected into office? Seems quite ridiculous to me. If one garners enough votes the people’s will should be allowed.
14th admendemnt.
"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."
section 3 of the 14th ademndment.

Additionally Couy Griffin is not a private citizen he's been the county commissioner for District 2 of Otero County, in New Mexico since 2019.
 
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14th admendemnt treason clause. I answered your question. Specifically the inserection part and giving aid to an enemy.
Who defines enemy? How can one be a citizen and also an enemy. If citizens vote for them, then obviously they don’t see them as an enemy. Again, it doesn’t make any sense why you can arbitrarily decide that someone isn’t eligible not to just hold office because they’re an ‘enemy’, but to not be voted on by other citizens to hold that seat.
 
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Per your article, he was convicted of misdemeanor for entering the Capitol grounds, but he never entered the capitol. How does that equate to insurrection if he was never charged with the crime of insurrection?
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Who defines enemy? How can one be a citizen and also an enemy. If citizens vote for them, then obviously they don’t see them as an enemy. Again, it doesn’t make any sense why you can arbitrarily decide that someone isn’t eligible not to just hold office because they’re an ‘enemy’, but to not be voted on by other citizens to hold that seat.
I'm still searching for the connection between misdemeanor trespassing and felony insurrection. There's some crazy logic going on here.
 

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How can one be a citizen and also an enemy.
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Additionally Couy Griffin is not a private citizen he's been the county commissioner for District 2 of Otero County, in New Mexico since 2019.
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Per your article, he was convicted of misdemeanor for entering the Capitol grounds, but he never entered the capitol. How does that equate to insurrection if he was never charged with the crime of insurrection?
Boy do I love repeating myself and the article.
given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof
Had you read the article or did any little research you would of found the exact reason why. Sorry that my early accidental post sends because gbatemp bumps up ads and makes me click send instead of making readjustments. So I then have to fire hot stop edit to fix the problem. And if I just say "snipped" I've seen more than plenty of snarky comments from you about me snipping my posts.
 

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Boy do I love repeating myself and the article.

Had you read the article or did any little research you would of found the exact reason why. Sorry that my early accidental post sends because gbatemp bumps up ads and makes me click send instead of making readjustments. So I then have to fire hot stop edit to fix the problem. And if I just say "snipped" I've seen more than plenty of snarky comments from you about me snipping my posts.
I did read the article. I copy and pasted what he was convicted of from the article itself.

Now instead of being a pretentious dick, explain how misdemeanor trespass equates to felony insurrection.

I also could care less what gbatemp's site does to you. Learn to overcome obstacles and quit complaining.
 

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I did read the article. I copy and pasted what he was convicted of from the article itself.

Now instead of being a pretentious dick, explain how misdemeanor trespass equates to felony insurrection.

I also could care less what gbatemp's site does to you. Learn to overcome obstacles and quit complaining.
If only you could stop being pretentious. Like I said, had you done any additional research this wouldn't be a problem. But since you can't seem to do that, looks go look at another article.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/06/jud...rs-cowboys-for-trump-founder-from-office.html
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Simply put, he took an oath, he violated that oath. He acted and was part of jan6th, even if it was just "tresspassing" a goverment official (not a civilian) should definitely have known better than to show up on a coup attempt and actively support it.

And if you done even more research say...
https://www.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/D101CV202200473-griffin.pdf
pull up the exact transcription. you would of got the following.
Edit: changing the image for a more specific part.
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If only you could stop being pretentious. Like I said, had you done any additional research this wouldn't be a problem. But since you can't seem to do that, looks go look at another article.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/06/jud...rs-cowboys-for-trump-founder-from-office.html
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Simply put, he took an oath, he violated that oath. He acted and was part of jan6th, even if it was just "tresspassing" a goverment official (not a civilian) should definitely have known better than to show up on a coup attempt and actively support it.

And if you done even more research say...
https://www.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/D101CV202200473-griffin.pdf
pull up the exact transcription. you would of got the following.
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Then why was he only convicted of trespassing instead of insurrection? Was it proven that Griffin was even involved in planning the events that happened that day because the story has always been that Trump initiated it with his speech that morning. Has that narrative changed now?
 

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