Crediar releases QuadForce 2.0

[Sakitoshi]

aahh got it now, the L & R buttons are oversensitive, if you press it even a little the game act like is pressed all the way down, remember the gamecube triggers are analog and very sensitive, one of the bests trigger buttons, but now that is backfiring, ohhh the irony.

 

[8BitWalugi]

mmmm.... I'm having problems with the controls, my ship is going sideways like if I were pressing L or R and those keys aren't working, I was using a wavebird but I plugged a wired gc controller and it has the same behavior.

Same issue as mentioned above with wavebird controller in f-zero ax.. somehow if I connect my wired gc controller seems to work normally

I like to think of it as it rolls to the right, so you have to keep a constant input from the 'steering wheel'.

The driving physics are so different from GX...

aahh got it now, the L & R buttons are oversensitive, if you press it even a little the game act like is pressed all the way down, remember the gamecube triggers are analog and very sensitive, one of the bests trigger buttons, but now that is backfiring, ohhh the irony.

Yeah, I like to rest my fingers just above them (Where Z is located).

 

[jackson pesto]

I'm also having this exact same issue. with my wavebird the ship keeps going to the right. i dont have this problem with MKGP 1 or 2

 

[Rydian]

You are wrong, the spirit of homebrew and FOSS are open source projects no free-of-charge/gratis software.
And yes, that you mentioned is for Crediar, be honest.

The point of homebrew is being able to make and run what you want, outside of the limits that the company initially sets.

FOSS is a separate concept from homebrew. Many people who support one support the other, but they are decidedly-different ideas.

 

[tmv_josue]

Yeah, is a good point, for that is why I say hombrew and foss and not hb/foss or hb-foss, definitively isn't the same (maybe I shouldn't bring it in the conversation). However I really am convinced (yes, is my opinion) that the hombrew's spirit will be the open source ideology, since that is how is builded almost everything in it. But free-of-charge surely doesn't have to be necessarily.

 

[Rydian]

Part of homebrew is "you can't tell me what to do I'll program what I want", which is why I find people saying "Hey you person who made something for free give me your source" to be ironic since you're telling a homebrew dev what to do...

 

[tmv_josue]

Isn't the same.
I agree with "you can't tell me what to do I'll program what I want".
I mean is his/her effort, so Why anyone would be entitled to demand that they do? If they do not contribute a f*ck.

But is not the same that release the source, it isn't a effort, is a idelogy and conviction, more if you like that everyone that are bitching can do their respective modifications for themselves, and of course for teach them.

 

[8BitWalugi]

...can I just say, the people STILL making demands and general complaints, it's really ungrateful and disrespectful behaviour. I mean, come on. It's been a YEAR since the leak and since the last build. We were to expect no more in the future, then this happened and pulled through. Yet everyone is still complaining.

Yes, the source code isn't in 2.0. I'd say Crediar still has some surprises in store for us, and the only way we'll find out is if we hit 500. That'll be all future updates, so there'd be no reason to hold it back. If you want something to happen, you've got to take action.

Come one everyone, the reaction so far has been appalling. We should be thankful for what we have.

 

[Rydian]

Though when it comes to the GPL and such, this forum is torn. If following GPL means they can get the source for something, they push for it (gpSP, some M3 stuff, etc.), but if following the GPL means they have to stop something like when Wood had the GPL issue... boy, when I brought that up, I must have earned more hatred than almost anything else I've done.

The users on this forum only give a shit about licenses whichever way benefits them.

 

[8BitWalugi]

First there was the problem with G0dlike, now the rest of GBATemp is becoming an enemy.

Hey everyone, you're on the fast track to never seeing a perfect QuadForce in general. How about we pipe down for a bit and work our way to the next goal instead?

It's not like Crediar asks for anything for Dios-Mios. That basically doubled the Wii's Hard Drive loading capabilities.

 

[deshayzilla]

First there was the problem with G0dlike, now the rest of GBATemp is becoming an enemy.

Hey everyone, you're on the fast track to never seeing a perfect QuadForce in general. How about we pipe down for a bit and work our way to the next goal instead?

It's not like Crediar asks for anything for Dios-Mios. That basically doubled the Wii's Hard Drive loading capabilities.

Yeah I don't get it. Amazing things happen like this and all anyone can do is complain. I still can't believe we can play the Mario Kart arcade games on the Wii.
People need to learn patience and respect.

 

[tmv_josue]

Though when it comes to the GPL and such, this forum is torn. If following GPL means they can get the source for something, they push for it (gpSP, some M3 stuff, etc.), but if following the GPL means they have to stop something like when Wood had the GPL issue... boy, when I brought that up, I must have earned more hatred than almost anything else I've done.

The users on this forum only give a shit about licenses whichever way benefits them.

Precisely this is why everyone should promote freedom, for closed source projects is that they do not learn anything and it will remain if nobody done emphasis on freedom, what it means and entails.

First there was the problem with G0dlike, now the rest of GBATemp is becoming an enemy. Hey everyone, you're on the fast track to never seeing a perfect QuadForce in general. How about we pipe down for a bit and work our way to the next goal instead?

It's not like Crediar asks for anything for Dios-Mios. That basically doubled the Wii's Hard Drive loading capabilities.

Yeah I don't get it. Amazing things happen like this and all anyone can do is complain. I still can't believe we can play the Mario Kart arcade games on the Wii.
People need to learn patience and respect.

LMAO. Do not be confused, I am patient and respect crediar.
But I wanted to clarify that isn't wrong to be charged for this app (or anything else), the bad thing is that it is closed source.

P.D. Rydian was right...

 

[Rydian]

• People don't complain about 3D movies not releasing their models, textures, rigs, scenes, or lighting.
• People don't complain about 2D artists not releasing their PSDs with the individual layers and blending.
• People don't complain about Flash artists not releasing their .fla files.
• People don't complain about digital music artists not releasing their sound samples and filters.

But if you're a programmer, people expect your source!


Don't get me wrong, I release the source for most of my stuff (unless it's straight-up embarrassing), but I just find it odd that people expect programmers to provide source with the program when this sort of expectation does not exist in any other field I can think of.

 

[tmv_josue]

So that make it bad? on the contrary, in a place must be begun (and there is asked also).

 

[Rydian]

I don't think that asking for the source is bad, but thinking worse of somebody who does not give out their source (unless required, GPL and such) is bad.

 

[wendy0]

It's not like Crediar asks for anything for Dios-Mios. That basically doubled the Wii's Hard Drive loading capabilities.

You obviously have a very short memory. There have been two "donation drives" for Dios Mios, both raising hundreds of euros. Even now feature requests are expected to be accompanied by a donation if you want crediar to consider them.

• People don't complain about 3D movies not releasing their models, textures, rigs, scenes, or lighting.
• People don't complain about 2D artists not releasing their PSDs with the individual layers and blending.
• People don't complain about Flash artists not releasing their .fla files.
• People don't complain about digital music artists not releasing their sound samples and filters.

But if you're a programmer, people expect your source!

If instead of writing code yourself, you use code that is given away by other people who allow it on the condition that you release your source, is it fair that you're expected to comply? Or is it acceptable to lie about it and take donations instead?

 

[Rydian]

If instead of writing code yourself, you use code that is given away by other people who allow it on the condition that you release your source, is it fair that you're expected to comply? Or is it acceptable to lie about it and take donations instead?

I don't know if the claims are true or not, which is why I've been giving two sets of situations. One where it's required, and one where it's not (like somebody else brought up).

 

[wendy0]

Well here's the decompiled code from the beginning of quadforce.bin:

ROM:00000010 _start                                  ; DATA XREF: ROM:_starto
ROM:00000010                 ADR     R4, _start      ; Get real address of _start
ROM:00000014                 LDR     R0, =0x10
ROM:00000018                 SUB     R4, R4, R0      ; Subtract offset to get the address that we were loaded at
ROM:0000001C                 MOV     R0, #0x42 ; 'B' ; Output 0x42 to the debug port
ROM:00000020                 BL      debug_output
ROM:00000024                 LDR     SP, =__stack_addr ; Set up a stack
ROM:00000028                 ADD     SP, SP, R4      ; Output 0x43 to the debug port
ROM:0000002C                 MOV     R0, #0x43 ; 'C'
ROM:00000030                 BL      debug_output
ROM:00000034                 LDR     R1, =__got_start ; relocate the GOT entries
ROM:00000038                 ADD     R1, R1, R4
ROM:0000003C                 LDR     R2, =__got_end
ROM:00000040                 ADD     R2, R2, R4
ROM:00000044
ROM:00000044 got_loop                                ; CODE XREF: ROM:0000005Cj
ROM:00000044                 CMP     R1, R2
ROM:00000048                 BEQ     done_got
ROM:0000004C                 LDR     R3, [R1]
ROM:00000050                 ADD     R3, R3, R4
ROM:00000054                 STR     R3, [R1]
ROM:00000058                 ADD     R1, R1, #4
ROM:0000005C                 B       got_loop
ROM:00000060 ; ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
ROM:00000060
ROM:00000060 done_got                                ; CODE XREF: ROM:00000048j
ROM:00000060                 LDR     R1, =__bss_start
ROM:00000064                 ADD     R1, R1, R4
ROM:00000068                 LDR     R2, =__bss_start ; __bss_end, fail
ROM:0000006C                 ADD     R2, R2, R4
ROM:00000070                 MOV     R3, #0
ROM:00000074
ROM:00000074 bss_loop                                ; CODE XREF: ROM:00000084j
ROM:00000074                 CMP     R1, R2
ROM:00000078                 BEQ     done_bss
ROM:0000007C                 STR     R3, [R1]
ROM:00000080                 ADD     R1, R1, #4
ROM:00000084                 B       bss_loop
ROM:00000088 ; ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
ROM:00000088
ROM:00000088 done_bss                                ; CODE XREF: ROM:00000078j
ROM:00000088                 MOV     R0, #0x44 ; 'D'
ROM:0000008C                 BL      debug_output
ROM:00000090                 MOV     R0, R4
ROM:00000094                 BL      _main
ROM:00000098                 MOV     R1, R0
ROM:0000009C                 MOV     R0, R4
ROM:000000A0                 MOV     PC, R1

Compare with the GPL code from mini, used in DIOS MIOS. I don't think you have to understand the code to see the similarities.

 

[8BitWalugi]

Well here's the decompiled code from the beginning of quadforce.bin:

ROM:00000010 _start                                  ; DATA XREF: ROM:_starto
ROM:00000010                ADR    R4, _start      ; Get real address of _start
ROM:00000014                LDR    R0, =0x10
ROM:00000018                SUB    R4, R4, R0      ; Subtract offset to get the address that we were loaded at
ROM:0000001C                MOV    R0, #0x42 ; 'B' ; Output 0x42 to the debug port
ROM:00000020                BL      debug_output
ROM:00000024                LDR    SP, =__stack_addr ; Set up a stack
ROM:00000028                ADD    SP, SP, R4      ; Output 0x43 to the debug port
ROM:0000002C                MOV    R0, #0x43 ; 'C'
ROM:00000030                BL      debug_output
ROM:00000034                LDR    R1, =__got_start ; relocate the GOT entries
ROM:00000038                ADD    R1, R1, R4
ROM:0000003C                LDR    R2, =__got_end
ROM:00000040                ADD    R2, R2, R4
ROM:00000044
ROM:00000044 got_loop                                ; CODE XREF: ROM:0000005Cj
ROM:00000044                CMP    R1, R2
ROM:00000048                BEQ    done_got
ROM:0000004C                LDR    R3, [R1]
ROM:00000050                ADD    R3, R3, R4
ROM:00000054                STR    R3, [R1]
ROM:00000058                ADD    R1, R1, #4
ROM:0000005C                B      got_loop
ROM:00000060 ; ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
ROM:00000060
ROM:00000060 done_got                                ; CODE XREF: ROM:00000048j
ROM:00000060                LDR    R1, =__bss_start
ROM:00000064                ADD    R1, R1, R4
ROM:00000068                LDR    R2, =__bss_start ; __bss_end, fail
ROM:0000006C                ADD    R2, R2, R4
ROM:00000070                MOV    R3, #0
ROM:00000074
ROM:00000074 bss_loop                                ; CODE XREF: ROM:00000084j
ROM:00000074                CMP    R1, R2
ROM:00000078                BEQ    done_bss
ROM:0000007C                STR    R3, [R1]
ROM:00000080                ADD    R1, R1, #4
ROM:00000084                B      bss_loop
ROM:00000088 ; ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
ROM:00000088
ROM:00000088 done_bss                                ; CODE XREF: ROM:00000078j
ROM:00000088                MOV    R0, #0x44 ; 'D'
ROM:0000008C                BL      debug_output
ROM:00000090                MOV    R0, R4
ROM:00000094                BL      _main
ROM:00000098                MOV    R1, R0
ROM:0000009C                MOV    R0, R4
ROM:000000A0                MOV    PC, R1

Compare with the GPL code from mini, used in DIOS MIOS. I don't think you have to understand the code to see the similarities.

Is this really necessary? What do you want to gain from it?

 

[Rydian]

Is this really necessary? What do you want to gain from it?

That's what people said when I brought up Wood...

GBATemp only cares about the side that lets them play games.