great website.. it's as good as a religion as any to me!i pray Gaben when I have nothing to do:
http://www.gaben.tv/
If god is outside of the observable universe, then it is impossible to prove him. Rather asking how a universe could exist without a fire starter can prove that a god is a possibility.Whether or not a god exists is objective, not relative.
If you cannot articulate evidence for the existence of a god, then how can you claim there is evidence?
If a god is defined as being outside the natural universe and having no effect on the observable universe, then it is impossible to prove or disprove that god, which is not any reason to believe in that god's existence, and is every reason to not believe in that god's existence. However, when a god is defined as having effects on the observable universe, those effects can be demonstrated to not exist. See my post from earlier.If god is outside of the observable universe, then it is impossible to prove him.
Broadly speaking and from a philosophical point of view, a god's existence is a possibility in that it has not been disproven. However, there is no way to know if a god's existence is actually physically possible. Lots of things are technically possible, but that's no reason to think those things are true, and that doesn't mean it's rational to believe those things.Rather asking how a universe could exist without a fire starter can prove that a god is a possibility.
We don't know what components, if any, were needed for the universe to come into existence as we know it. See my earlier post on this.It's rather interesting. I'm by no means an expert on science, but I do have questions. The theory is that the universe was created by what is known as the Big Bang, yet, the components to produce the Big Bang needed to have existed for it to happen. So where did those come from? And what about what's outside of the universe?
The universe isn't expanding into space; space is expanding.The universe expanded from the Big Bang, so not only is there a sort of boundary/limit of the universe, but that the universe is expanding into a space that supposedly doesn't exist, unless that space did exist for it to expand into.
If we care if our beliefs are true, all we can do is make sure our beliefs comport with the evidence. If the evidence changes, the only intellectually honest thing to do is to change our beliefs accordingly. The rewriting of our books, as you put it, is a positive feature of the scientific method, not a bug.We use what little knowledge we have to explain things, and it seems validated because it's based on what we understand, not how the universe may actually work. For each time we identify something that we initially thought we understood but didn't until later, we end up rewriting out books to take whatever discovery we find into account. I mean, we even go into depth of how 1 + 1 can equal something other than 2.
While each side has just as much a right to their beliefs as the other, it would be inaccurate to characterize both sides as equally reasonable. As far as I'm aware, there is no sound reason to think god(s) exist. The fact that we cannot disprove god(s) is not a reason to believe they're real, and it does not make belief equally reasonable to nonbelief. If one cares whether or not his or her beliefs are true, one requires sound reason and evidence for his or her beliefs. I cannot disprove the existence of leprechauns, but that does not mean it's rational to believe they exist, and it certainly does not mean belief in leprechauns is as reasonable as disbelief.I don't know anymore! Lol
On one side, we have science...on the other, we have something that cannot be disproven (is that correct?) ...miracles and such and even here we have members that do believe and have felt God...it goes both ways. Much respect in both sides, except radical religious folks. ;P
I mean, I like to lean more towards the science but to be honest, I carry flowers to the Virgin Mary in the basilica of Mexico City because of family tradition/beliefs...it doesn't hurt to do so. I don't pray either though. Lol
So, I guess I'm unsure.
While God has all the power in the universe (and probably more, but I can't really comment on this since I've never been outside the universe), there are some things He cannot do. He cannot act against His own nature, so questions like "can God make a stone so big he can't hold it" are invalid.What do you mean he can't be all mighty?
The rule forbids murder. It is distinct from killing because murder is killing without justification. This is why it's justified to kill certain criminals without becoming murderers ourselves.each god contradicts itself by the rule: thy shall not kill...
A lot of this is not advocated by God himself. While some deaths have in fact been mandated by God, many have not been, and those who claim this are misusing His name. (We'd need specific examples to discuss this further.)the number one reason people kill is still religion!
That's not it at all. Quite the opposite really.i really don't understand how someone even would want a god around them (cause he or she) would be watching your every move, every tiny misstake you made... looking for a reason to keep you from heaven.
This is a sad side effect of the world being corrupted by sin.if there was a god it's a real crual one that let poeple suffer, some people get born without parts of thier body, people keill and torture each other... there's this slow death called cancer... if there is a god he is creating all these things too...
well thank god for those around me died of cancer, of leukemia, those who were molested as a child by a damn priest (i at least know one person close to me)...
You shouldn't. There'd just be no reason to care about him or even believe he exists. That's kinda the point.
The Big Bang is an effect, and it is outside the scope of science to attempt to explain the cause. Not only is it outside the nature of the universe as we know it, scientifically, any idea anyone comes up with is just a guess, because the biggest requirement of a hypothesis is that it can be tested. Any guess about this cannot be tested.I'm by no means an expert on science, but I do have questions. The theory is that the universe was created by what is known as the Big Bang,
While each side has just as much a right to their beliefs as the other, it would be inaccurate to characterize both sides as equally reasonable. As far as I'm aware, there is no sound reason to think god(s) exist. The fact that we cannot disprove god(s) is not a reason to believe they're real, and it does not make belief equally reasonable to nonbelief. If one cares whether or not his or her beliefs are true, one requires sound reason and evidence for his or her beliefs. I cannot disprove the existence of leprechauns, but that does not mean it's rational to believe they exist, and it certainly does not mean belief in leprechauns is as reasonable as disbelief.
Athiests do not like to believe it all happened by chance. The other stuff you mentioned isn't real evidence of a God.While God has all the power in the universe (and probably more, but I can't really comment on this since I've never been outside the universe), there are some things He cannot do. He cannot act against His own nature, so questions like "can God make a stone so big he can't hold it" are invalid.
The rule forbids murder. It is distinct from killing because murder is killing without justification. This is why it's justified to kill certain criminals without becoming murderers ourselves.
A lot of this is not advocated by God himself. While some deaths have in fact been mandated by God, many have not been, and those who claim this are misusing His name. (We'd need specific examples to discuss this further.)
That's not it at all. Quite the opposite really.
We sin. A lot (unfortunately). We've disobeyed God, and His standards are perfection. And the punishment for sin is death. "But what about all the good I've done?" someone may ask? Imagine a brownie. A marvelous, delicous brownie. Now let's add a tiny amount of dog poop. Not so appealing anymore, right? Unfortunately, that's us.
Fortunately, God still loves us, in the way I love my cat even when she makes a mess or bites me, so God has provided a way for us to live, without eternal death. If the punishment for sin is death... the does it have to be the one who sinned? Thousands of years ago He told the Jews to sacrifice an animal in their place, to pay for their sin. This was only a symbol of what would come. In order for this substitution to work, He sent his Son to save us (who existed from the beginning, the specifics of this are a discussion for another day). His son entered this world as a baby, concieved by the Holy Spirit and a virgin (Mary). Jesus was raised from birth as a Jewish carpenter, performed miracles to prove his divine power, gave one of the, if not the most, influential sermons ever (the Sermon on the Mount), and was tempted by the devil to sin in many, if not all, of the ways we are. Because Jesus wasn't born into a sinful nature like we were, he managed to never sin, and was absolute perfection. Because reasons (the details of which are in the bible and are again a discussion for another day; basically Jesus denounced their bad practices, and there was some political stuff going on too), the Jewish leaders plotted to kill him. But this was part of the plan all along. Jesus willingly confronted his own death by crucifixion (on a cross), in order to pay for our sins. (To make it worse, he was almost killed by lashes from a whip beforehand, and what many people did to him around that time can easily be simplified as "torture".) He died in our place so that we can live.
But that's not the end of it. While not many realized it at the time, Jesus is God's Son. Three days after Jesus was executed, God brought him back to life. Not only in this world, but eternal life, which He is offering this as a gift to anyone who wants it. All you have to do is believe that Jesus did in fact die on the cross to save us, and your sin is paid for.
TLDR
Here's 6 words that summarizes all of this. I remembered this half way into typing all of this, it may or may not explain it all better.
http://www.lifein6words.com/
This is a sad side effect of the world being corrupted by sin.
The Big Bang is an effect, and it is outside the scope of science to attempt to explain the cause. Not only is it outside the nature of the universe as we know it, scientifically, any idea anyone comes up with is just a guess, because the biggest requirement of a hypothesis is that it can be tested. Any guess about this cannot be tested.
I believe that God is the cause. While I am not aware of any evidence that can prove this, there is other evidence indicitive of God.
One of these is the question of where languages come from. Evolutionists believe there is a common ancestor, using this theory, one would think language would be the same, right? One single language that became the ones we have now? Wrong! We have many different languages that are completely different from each other. To quote wikipedia, "The origin of language in the human species has been the topic of scholarly discussions for several centuries. In spite of this, there is no consensus on the ultimate origin or age of human language." The Bible explains this nicely: God told everyone to spread out, to fill the Earth, but we were like "naw, we like it here, let's build a giant tower that will keep us occupied here", so God invented different languages for everyone so that everyone would spread out, since different groups of people couldn't understand each other.
While there might not be hard evidence for God's existence (at least, not to my knowledge), there is are various hints.
The TLDR version (all this typing is making me tired ):
-Intelligent design - all of creation is rather complex. Athiests like to believe it all happened by chance, but that seems unreasonable to me.
-The story of Jesus - proclaimed as fact by witnesses... who were burned at the stake at parties until they simply said something like "it was all a lie", but no one did. Christians were murdered, persecuted, many people tried to completely destroy all trace of the bible... and it's still going strong today. Divine intervention anyone?
-Languages
-God's instructions - The old testament has rules on how to deal with various types of mold. People back then would have had no clue how it all works, but these instructions are consistent with what we know today. Also the thing about not eating certain meat? Back then, people didn't know how to safely cook everything, but now we do.
If a singular god does exist, he's the ultimate dick. Who else could possibly create such a fsck'd up world? I tend to throw that concept out for the sake of my sanity. The universe is too chaotic for a 'nice' god. Not to mention, if there was only one god, we would all be worshipping the same one.
If God made the universe, then everything else is simple. Don't try to overthink it. Compared to God, we're basically like my cat when she's watching me do something with my computer, not having any idea what's going on.Is an organism sharing 100% of my celluar structure "me", and will it be conscious as "me"? Hell if I know.
If that's how you really feel, there's nothing I can do for you, but I think you might want to reconsider, since either way, it's eternity we're talking about.I do know the very concept of 'heaven' sounds boring. Eternal paradise bathed in god or whatever? No thanks. Sounds bland. I'd rather burn, kthx.
What do they believe caused everything?Athiests do not like to believe it all happened by chance.
I did say it wasn't hard evidence; however, all together, I believe that it's enough to make a leap of faith.The other stuff you mentioned isn't real evidence of a God.