And don't forget, Satan was also a perfect angel when he started out, but he became overly ambitious, and wanted to be worshipped himself, rather than being a subject of God, which was out of place for him. He also let his desire grow until he sinned, rather than dismissing it as he should've done.
Ok, let me put it to you this way. Angels weren't like humans, they were created with the sole purpose of worshipping God. Angels, according to legend (from pre-Judaic times and onwards) weren't created with free will. So again, God created Lucifer simply so that he could make an example of him. Why would an all-compassionate and all-forgiving creature create a person just so that he could do that? Then let's look at hell. Hell was created just for Lucifer, God created a place of the deepest darkest horrors imaginable, a place full of suffering, torment and despair just to prove a point. Why would an all-forgiving, all-compassionate creature do that? Even humans have more compassion and forgiveness than that, and we're far less than perfect.
Then also let's look at Gods ego. A perfect being wouldn't suffer from ego, specially not one that size. Yet, here is a God, a perfect creature, who suffers from an incredibly large ego. He created Angels just so he could be worshipped, then he created humans because being worshipped by the angels didn't satisfy his ego enough. Then he created humans in such a way that he knew he would kick them out of paradise. Not only that, he tarnished us all with the same brush. Then he got so annoyed at the fact that he wasn't being worshipped enough that he committed genocide over and over. That certainly doesn't sound like an egoless perfect creature to me, it sounds like a bullying sadist with a worship complex.
And shall we also get started on homosexuality. Remember that according to the scriptures based of the Judaic religions, of which Christianity and Islam are offshoots of, God created everything. There isn't a single thing on this Earth that God didn't create. So therefore God created homosexuality. He created men and women with an uncotrollable desire that he considered a sin, and not only a sin but a sin punishable by death. So therefore God created a certain selection of humans just so that he could punish. Would you consider that the act of a God that was all-compassionate and all-forgiving? I definitely wouldn't. For me that's no different than hunter who breeds deer just so that he can hunt them.
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And about knowledge of the future: After Adam and Eve sinned, God devised the way to restore everything to normality, and immediately, he knew how he would go about doing it. The reason he didn't just eliminate Adam and Eve and Satan and start again was to show definitively to all creation that His way of rule was the perfect way, and that the consequences of defecting (as Adam and Eve did) would ultimately fail. Look at the governments around now. Would you agree that they are causing more trouble than they solve?
So what you're saying, or at least what I'm hearing, is that God had a way to solve the problem immediately and effectively but his ego is so large that he couldn't admit to making a mistake. Remember, we're all found immediately guilty of original sin by God. We're guilty before we're innocent. Where is the compassion, forgiveness and justice in that? It sounds to me like the kid who rips up his drawing in a tantrum because he made a mistake.
And yes, the governments do cause more trouble than they solve. But let's take that even further and look at the Caliphates. They are countries set up and living under Gods "perfect" way. They are all based off Islamism. A way of life sent down to humanity through the angel Gabriel and passed on by Mohammed. Countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran and Afghanistan all live under Wahabbi, the strictest following of Islam there is. They're following the testament and political guide sent down by God to the letter, would you say those countries are perfect and peaceful? Or would you say they're oppressive and lacking in the basic freedom that God supposedly blessed us with?
And let's get back to the issue of the basic freedom that God supposedly blessed with us. He chose to gave us free will and he said "You can choose not follow me if you want", but then created Hell as a punishment for not believing in or following. Then when people exercised that free will God lost his temper and wiped the planet out, more than once. Sounds alot like bullying and extortion to me, as well as the placating of an over-inflated ego. See the pattern? According to all Judaic based religions God constantly holds stuff under our noses and says "You can have it if you want, but I will take it sway and torture you if you take it". Sounds alot like a sadist to me.
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RockmanForte said:
Actually, it [the Trinity] is a false teaching.
This.
