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You did not at all, you made the claim that it was for "teams"
Don't go trying to make yourself look good here as if you actually addressed what I said.
Most people would agree with party Z, but they don't even know it's an option because of money in politics. What your saying now is extremely superfluous, an absolute nothing burger.
Patience is a very effective strategy. If you support Party A, but Party B has a better candidate with a lower chance of success, and you absolutely must vote, you have two choices - vote for A’s candidate and their bad policies or vote for B’s and support theirs in spite of worse odds. If Party A, your preferred one, loses based on that premise, they would be foolish not to look at the result and realise that Party B’s candidate offered something that was more compelling to the electorate, and they must necessarily adjust accordingly. You think about winning an election, like a sports fan - you should be thinking about the good of the country, and its long-term success. That’s what I addressed, and that’s what I maintain. If you abstain altogether, you also send a message - that message is that the party failed to provide a compelling option and must necessarily change course. That’s how democracy is *supposed* to work.

I don’t see what’s so confusing here. Let’s take a policy-based example instead. You have two parties, the Party of Starving Elderly and the Party of Starving Children. You can choose between one or the other based on your sensibilities, but ultimately you are accepting the premise that one of these groups is going to starve. What you should be doing is rejecting the premise. Yes, you might face some short-term hardship, but you would be making steps towards the realisation of the Non-starvation Party by making both “bad choices” less electable. By doing so you are signifying that starvation is not a serious proposition and we should probably look elsewhere for solutions. By choosing between the two evils you are tacitly supporting one or the other, when the correct choice is to reject them outright. You don’t get to save the children *and* complain about grandma when you voted for grandma to starve - you made your decision at the ballot box.
You laugh at it, but you don't seem to grasp the issue of not being able to vote based on ranked choice. Nor how fundamentally broken the system is over here, or the scale.

It's not that the third parties are not viable. It's that they have no visibility. You cannot vote on what you cannot see.
Ranked voting will improve the odds of third party candidates, but it will not improve the candidates themselves as quickly or effectively as voting based on policy alone. The system is broken because people like you broke it by voting for evils, debating which ones are greater or lesser. You won’t get good outcomes if you keep voting for bad choices. Ranked-based voting without a fundamental change of voting patterns merely allows you to select multiple bad choices ranked from bad to worst. The ranking, by its very nature, will provide *some* insight as far as the electorate’s sensibilities are concerned, but if people continue to vote based on odds of success and team colours, relegating principles to secondary choices, those choices will remain secondary forever. Any vote that isn’t firmly based in principle is a dishonest one, and one not worth casting. Don’t get me wrong - ranked-based voting would be *better*, but it doesn’t address the fundamental problem of treating politics as a team sport - that’s a societal issue, not a process issue.

Let me demonstrate - you’re in a rank-based system and your party has three candidates, A, B and C, with C having the highest odds of success and A having your actual support. You naturally put A at the top of your list, you put B in the middle since you don’t care and leave C last, because worst-case scenario your vote will trickle down to an option you didn’t want, but one that you still consider to be better than the opposition’s D, E or F. Unsurprisingly, C wins, and you contributed to that victory. If you want to vote earnestly, C shouldn’t be on your list at all - you don’t support C. If anything, B is your fallback because it represents stagnation, but even then you’re choosing nothing since stagnation in a poor state of affairs is no different than slow death. Do you get my point? Vote for what you believe in, that’s how it’s meant to work.
 
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Nothing of what you said relates to what I said.
Most people would agree with party Z, but they don't even know it's an option because of money in politics. What your saying now is extremely superfluous, an absolute nothing burger.
And people voting for Z, while objectively correct, is a throw away vote, unless you somehow manage to break those (visibility) odds, which is statistically unlikely. Not enough people will know that party Z exists. Or if they do know, aware that it's unlikely to win based on visibility.
It's not that the third parties are not viable. It's that they have no visibility. You cannot vote on what you cannot see.


I explicitly state visibility for a reason. I didn't say viability.


There's a deeper core issue that your just blatantly prancing around, and I am not having it. I'm going to enjoy the rest of my night with my roomate playing divinity.
 

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Nothing of what you said relates to what I said.

I explicitly state visibility for a reason. I didn't say viability.
See edit above, particularly the final paragraph. Rank-based voting is a band-aid solution that would moderately improve the situation, but would not address the core issue with how people vote. Visibility is important, but money in politics (since at the end of the day, money is what buys you visibility) is a separate problem, one that deserves more in-depth discussion. Your visibility problem boils down to settling for the devil you know as opposed to taking a risk and choosing the alternative, which isn’t much better. Arguably, it’s worse than abstaining due to the aforementioned tacit endorsement of bad policy as a “lesser of two evils”. You yourself stated that if people (knowingly or unknowingly) vote for a candidate that is less likely to win, they’re “wasting a vote”, no?
(…) people voting for Z, while objectively correct, is a throw away vote, unless you somehow manage to break those (visibility) odds, which is statistically unlikely. Not enough people will know that party Z exists. Or if they do know, aware that it's unlikely to win based on visibility.
Once that reasoning enters your calculus, the decision becomes viability-based. You’re even arguing with yourself about it:
It's not that the third parties are not viable.
Either you consider them “unlikely to win”, and thus less viable, or you don’t, so which is it? I accept the odds, but I’m not voting on odds because I’m not at a bookie picking a horse, I’m at the ballot box and I’m voting for politicians. Is it politics or is it sports to you? You have to make that decision for yourself.

We both know the answer as far as you’re concerned because you’ve already stated it. You called those votes “throw away”, not me - that’s a viability judgement, even if it is based on perceived visibility. Improving visibility of third party candidates is important, yes, but they won’t become more viable *or* more visible if you don’t vote for them and support them. That’s what grants both in subsequent elections, purely based on (gradually) improving results, which in turn leads to more funding. A third party candidate with a wellspring of grassroots support would be the talk of the town, how is that not improving the image of their party and their policies, even if they do ultimately lose?

Not only that, you frame the entire process in the context of winning and losing, like a sport, as opposed to considering the long-term consequences. You want a victory now, not prosperity tomorrow - that’s short-sighted. Unless the circumstances are truly grim, the justification for desperate measures is weak - there will be another day, another election and another set of candidates. I’d rather have better ones next time instead of more of the same, or worse yet, significantly degraded choices. You consider such votes to be “wasted” because they’re for a candidate that didn’t win - I don’t. In the long term, it’s those votes that show support for a different approach, and that has long-term effects on the political climate - that’s what changes the zeitgeist, not voting for the old stand-bys. I will happily be, in your words, “objectively correct” and lose than be a victorious fool who’s cutting off their nose to spite their face.
There's a deeper core issue that your just blatantly prancing around, and I am not having it.
I did my best to explain my point. I fully understand the issue, I simply refuse to settle for bad choices - it’s a principled stance, one that I will always stubbornly stick to. Voting for a bad choice can only have bad outcomes, I’d rather retain integrity than choose against my own interest. I consider the problem to be, for the most part, self-inflicted.
I'm going to enjoy the rest of my night with my roomate playing divinity.
Divinity is dope, which one? Original Sin 2 is the bomb, buckets of fun. Enjoy!
 
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If you keep voting for the uni-party war machine, the uni-party war machine is what you get. You literally campaign for it and actively work against "3rd parties", which means you are doing more damage than by doing nothing at all.

You are whining about how your democracy is forcing you to vote for garbage and trying to convince others to be pathetic like you.

This applies mainly to @Nothereed and also @Xzi as well.
 
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The laptop has anything and everything you could possibly want to be on it, on it. It's a conservative Pandora's box of wonders. In other words, about as real as Santa Claus in most cases. There's no guarantee the laptop is real, that all the data belongs to the same computer, and even if it is/does, that it actually belongs to Hunter Biden. He'd be in cuffs already for child pornography if he could realistically be connected to what they accuse him of, president's son or not. Instead they're the ones constantly milling through kiddie porn, as rage bait or for...other reasons. /shudder
This. Like, you've gotta be a lobotomite if you think that Hunter's gonna just drop a laptop with shit like that casually for some conveniently Trump loving cultist to find, start snooping on, and so on. At some point the story has to be too contrived for you to buy. The only reason anyone is believing this nonsense is explicitly because they have political motivations to believe it, not because they actually care if it's real or not. It's all theater.
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is it a criteria to love biden if the right deems you a leftist? cause i really don't care for biden at all yet i get called a leftist for so much as saying trump is a poopy doo doo butt
Yeah that's what I'm saying. I hated the guy for being a cop, he's just better than Trump. I'll take an inept dipshit over an inept fascist dipshit any day of the week lmfao
 

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This. Like, you've gotta be a lobotomite if you think that Hunter's gonna just drop a laptop with shit like that casually for some conveniently Trump loving cultist to find, start snooping on, and so on. At some point the story has to be too contrived for you to buy. The only reason anyone is believing this nonsense is explicitly because they have political motivations to believe it, not because they actually care if it's real or not. It's all theater.
You’re trying to give reasonable doubt to a crackhead. The public has no reason to trust the government or alphabet agencies, both have long histories of concealing information that is of public interest, not to mention the propensity for shielding their own. I’m of the position that we won’t know if anything important was on that drive until it’s irrelevant.
 
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You’re trying to give reasonable doubt to a crackhead. The public has no reason to trust the government or alphabet agencies, both have long histories of concealing information that is of public interest, not to mention the propensity for shielding their own. I’m of the position that we won’t know if anything important was on that drive until it’s irrelevant.
Partisans need not reply to my post, sorry champ.
 
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This thread should be required study for political scientists and sociologists as a prime example of right-wing rationalization/fallacious false equivalence/apologetics. The motivated reasoning on display is remarkable.
 

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This thread should be required study for political scientists and sociologists as a prime example of right-wing rationalization/fallacious false equivalence/apologetics. The motivated reasoning on display is remarkable.
It's why taking the piss is the best and funniest option.
 

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Partisans need not reply to my post, sorry champ.
What’s partisan about it? It’s historical fact. The government lies to its citizens regardless of political persuasion, particularly if it’s expedient at any given time. It lied to patients in Tuskegee, it lied to you about Vietnam and Iraq, it lied about mass surveillance of the NSA, why would anyone trust it unconditionally and without proof? As for Hunter being a crackhead, well, that’s just a statement of fact - he was a crackhead at the time and crackheads do crackhead things. If you disagree, I suggest trying to reason with one. Should you wish to attempt this, I also suggest wearing a knife-proof vest and keeping a safe distance… on account of dealing with a crackhead. They’re rather unpredictable.
 

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What’s partisan about it? It’s historical fact. The government lies to its citizens regardless of political persuasion, particularly if it’s expedient at any given time. It lied to patients in Tuskegee, it lied to you about Vietnam and Iraq, it lied about mass surveillance of the NSA, why would anyone trust it unconditionally and without proof? As for Hunter being a crackhead, well, that’s just a statement of fact - he was a crackhead at the time and crackheads do crackhead things. If you disagree, I suggest trying to reason with one. Should you wish to attempt this, I also suggest wearing a knife-proof vest and keeping a safe distance… on account of dealing with a crackhead. They’re rather unpredictable.
You will notice in your fanfiction about what I said that you are under the assumption that I said I trusted Biden's word. I just said that the other guy's story is nonsense and that anyone who believes it only does so out of politically motivated reasons, not because there's a shred of truth to it. If looking intelligent (rather than being intelligent lol) is so important to you, you should question stories like this a bit more first.
 

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You will notice in your fanfiction about what I said that you are under the assumption that I said I trusted Biden's word. I just said that the other guy's story is nonsense and that anyone who believes it only does so out of politically motivated reasons, not because there's a shred of truth to it. If looking intelligent (rather than being intelligent lol) is so important to you, you should question stories like this a bit more first.
You will note that I said “we won’t know what’s on the drive until it’s irrelevant” - that implies we don’t have the whole story. I don’t “trust” anyone who can’t provide proof. Since private pictures of Hunter have been demonstrated and the e-mail exchanges were verified by the Washington Post as well as the New York Times, I have no reason to believe that the laptop “doesn’t exist” - they didn’t just materialise out of the aether, and by all accounts they appear authentic. Moreover, I believe the drive was handed in to law enforcement, and the FBI isn’t in the business of confiscating fictional devices. I don’t know what else is on it because I don’t have it - I can’t verify anything that I can’t see, so I distrust those elements of the story. I hope that’s a satisfactory clarification.
 

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The guy has been demonstrably pandering to one side exclusively lmfao. There's not a single word coming from his mouth on any topic that's worth a shit. Every party in the world has been allowed to use twitter to have information obtained either by hacking, or things like revenge porn taken down. This is not 1984 shit like lolbertarians think it is.
 
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The guy has been demonstrably pandering to one side exclusively lmfao.
Are you sure?

*Mod snip - conspiracy theory website*

Edit:
The censored image and webpage I grabbed it from contained the following:

Carbon Tax

Universal Basic Income

Coronavirus Vaccine

Transhumanism

One World Government

It seems to me that Elon Musk is playing both "sides" much like Donald Trump (Operation Warp Speed and CARES Act). This is why some people claim that the Republican Party and prominent conservative puppets pundits, like Ben Shapiro, Dennis Prager, and the late Rush Limbaugh, merely play(ed) the role of controlled opposition in a Hegelian dialectic model. This is especially evident when looking at narratives through a biblical lens rather than a partisan lens. Rather than the dialectic be right vs left, it is then Christ vs antichrist. This seems to be much more useful because the right vs left dialectic is subjective. While I would be considered a right wing conservative in the US, I would be a left wing liberal in Iran, China, and North Korea. This is not the case when using the Christ vs antichrist dialectic. I remain a biblical Christian regardless of time and geographical location (temporal qualifications). The lack of objectivity and dependence upon temporal prerequisites renders the right vs left dialectic useless. It is also relatively young compared to the Christ vs antichrist dialectic of the 1st century because its origin is in the French Revolution of the late 18th century.

*Mod Snip - conspiracy theory videos*

Edit: Alright, uncondensed primary source information it is.

You will find the following primary sources informative:

The above censored videos discuss content from the following texts:
Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes by Jacques Ellul
Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man by Marshall McLuhan
Revolution: an Introduction to the Art and Science of Worldview Warfare by Donald Oliver Davis

One of the videos also discussed a video panel discussion concerning the psychological operations division in the US Army, which I am unable to locate at this time. Below is general information on this Psy-Op division.
https://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/specialty-careers/special-ops/psychological-operations.html

Below is a podcast that features the same Col. Jeremy Mushtare appearing in the video panel shown in the above censored video.
https://information-professionals.org/episode/cognitive-crucible-episode-28/
 
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Maybe when people are presented with two terrible choices, they end up picking the lesser of the two bad choices? and that clearly people thought that Biden was a better choice than Trump? It doesn't mean people voted him because it was a good pick. More so, because it wasn't Trump.
Thanks for the open border and 15% inflation. At least we don't have any mean tweets though, amirite?
 

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So, is Twitter dead yet? Did Mastodon or any of those other Twitter clones kill Twitter yet? Did Twitter crumble yet?
 

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So, is Twitter dead yet? Did Mastodon or any of those other Twitter clones kill Twitter yet? Did Twitter crumble yet?
It's become mostly irrelevant to the mainstream, yeah, which is why Elon lost two billion dollars in the span of a couple weeks. Much like Parler or Gab, its corpse will be propped up for a long time to come, but engagement with the platform will continue on a steady decline until a definitive replacement comes along.
 

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