federal judge ruled DACA unlawful,

[Lacius]

So Lacius is calling thousands of business owners who claim the contrary liars.

So did he light it on fire himself?

https://disrn.com/news/black-lives-matter-rioters-destroy-black-owned-business/

There is a difference between "rioters destroy businesses during BLM protest" and "BLM destroys businesses."

The vast majority (approximately 95%) of BLM protests were completely peaceful, and much of the violence was police-instigated, caused by people looking to start trouble like Kyle Rittenhouse, etc.

 

[Imbecilesdisagreewithme]

Funny that every random Joe who can spell "statistically" considers himself a data analyst these days. God save America.

Data analyst is pretty universally an entry-level position; they aren't difficult to obtain, train in, or hold onto, and don't often even require a degree.
I hire a dozen or so a year.
In all seriousness, maybe you meant something else?

Best part is Xzi liked it XDXDXDXD

 

[_abysswalker_]

Data analyst is pretty universally an entry-level position; they aren't difficult to obtain, train in, or hold onto, and don't often even require a degree.
I hire a dozen or so a year.

Sure buddy whatever makes you feel smart

 

[PityOnU]

If there's hundreds of thousands of people that come into the USA legally each month via the VISA program that then don't leave when they are supposed to then they need to be removed from the country too. Your side seems to think that people opposed to illegal immigration are only opposed to people who are illegally crossing the border and that misconception is your mistake.

I for one would be interested in seeing the numbers of people who overstay their VISA's. Right now we have hundreds of thousands of people that get caught crossing the border on a monthly basis and that's not counting the majority who isn't caught. Do you have a reference I could refer to relating to the hundreds of thousands of people who overstay their VISA's on a monthly basis?

Sure - here's a whole video on it, with sources cited therein.



Also, there is no consensus on the success rate of physical border crossings from Mexico, so I would LOVE to see your sources on that one.

I am not on any "side," btw. I'm registered as an independent voter. You're the one who's advocating for increased power to be awarded to the state to enforce what is, at the end of the day, an arbitrary law related to imaginary lines in the sand. Do I want the state to be pounding on my door in the middle of the night and searching my property for illegals given "reasonable suspicion" (because door to door is the only way they're going to track down any of the illegals who aren't regularly taken into custody)? Hell no, my friend. They can say hello to the business end of my "home defense system."

You are also suggesting that my tax money should continue to be spent to give these people, once apprehended, a free flight home after they have been potentially taking from the system and not paying taxes for (in terms of the people covered by DACA) 10-25 years. Up yours.

 

[Darth Meteos]

and so the right-wing takeover of gbatemp continues

Your side

political discourse in the mud

 

[Deleted User]

I knew you ain't right in the head, just couldn't point it to a specific political belief.

okiedokie whatever you say. As I should add though, what is wrong with my belief? or "ain't right in the head"
You just stated that, but gave no why.
Let's also not forget

how cute, denial

This is your first interaction with me when I explained something to you in a political position I am not apart of. I'd ask you to look into the mirror

 

[Xzi]

I knew you ain't right in the head, just couldn't point it to a specific political belief.

"You're all mixed up, no clue who you're supposed to be fighting for or against!" - Conservative with a Wolfenstein avatar

 

[HalfScoper]

"You're all mixed up, no clue who you're supposed to be fighting for or against!" - Conservative with a Wolfenstein avatar

Imagine being so pathetic when you run out of arguments, that you make mere assumptions based on my profile picture. I am sorry Mr. Internet Police that I liked playing that game and that I am not displaying any kind of anime or japanese related stuff in it or my signature.
And neither am I conservative, I am just fed up with your unpolitical bullshit that's all based upon your feelings, I stay in the center of it and don't want to be connected with any of those ultra-winged sides, because I am able to see a median in between both arguments.

 

[Xzi]

I am sorry Mr. Internet Police that I liked playing that game and that I am not displaying any kind of anime or japanese related stuff in it or my signature.

No need to be sorry, it means you enjoy killing nazis as much as the next gamer. We share that in common.

And neither am I conservative, I am just fed up with your unpolitical bullshit that's all based upon your feelings, I stay in the center of it and don't want to be connected with any of those ultra-winged sides, because I am able to see a median in between both arguments.

 

[Lacius]

Imagine being so pathetic when you run out of arguments, that you make mere assumptions based on my profile picture. I am sorry Mr. Internet Police that I liked playing that game and that I am not displaying any kind of anime or japanese related stuff in it or my signature.
And neither am I conservative, I am just fed up with your unpolitical bullshit that's all based upon your feelings, I stay in the center of it and don't want to be connected with any of those ultra-winged sides, because I am able to see a median in between both arguments.

An argument to moderation is a logical fallacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation

 

[SuzieJoeBob]

Nah you love denying opportunities and basic human rights to minorities. Don't be a bitch about it, just own it like your buddy Jimbo.

When people want to permanently move to Mexico and are not Mexican citizens, they must provide the Mexican government proof that (a) they have enough funds to sustain themselves for the rest of their lives and (b) will not be a burden on the Mexican economy. By 'burden', the Mexican government means that they will not attempt to collect any government aid or subsidies, nor will they seek any employment opportunities. Lastly, just because Mexico approves their visa application does NOT mean they are now citizens.




Is that not the EXACT same thing that the United States laws impose upon foreign nationals, not to mention most other countries around the world?

Since the main focus seems to be Central andSouth America, another entertainingly hypocritical action many countries in Central and South America do is enforce border security within their own countries, yet expect the United States to completely eliminate border security to accommodate their self-serving needs. Detention and deportation are commonplace all throughout the different countries, yet the United States is lambasted for doing the exact same thing.

tl;dr DACA is over and fairly so. Deal with it.

 

[Xzi]

When people want to permanently move to Mexico and are not Mexican citizens, they must provide the Mexican government proof that (a) they have enough funds to sustain themselves for the rest of their lives and (b) will not be a burden on the Mexican economy. By 'burden', the Mexican government means that they will not attempt to collect any government aid or subsidies, nor will they seek any employment opportunities. Lastly, just because Mexico approves their visa application does NOT mean they are now citizens.

Is that not the EXACT same thing that the United States laws impose upon foreign nationals, not to mention most other countries around the world?

It is not. Corporations don't want highly-educated and highly-skilled white collar workers crossing the border, they only want undocumented workers that they can exploit with poverty wages and threats of deportation.

Since the main focus seems to be Central andSouth America, another entertainingly hypocritical action many countries in Central and South America do is enforce border security within their own countries, yet expect the United States to completely eliminate border security to accommodate their self-serving needs.

You mention hypocrisy yet decline to mention all the times throughout the last two decades alone that the US fucked with South America, its leaders, and its economies. Trump knew his actions and policies would lead to a surge in immigrants from the South, and it benefited him politically to fear-monger over brown people while he simultaneously benefited financially by employing undocumented workers at his resorts and hotels.

tl;dr DACA is over and fairly so. Deal with it.

It's actually not over at all, anybody currently here under DACA can continue to re-enroll in the program as long as they'd like, even if the Texas judge's ruling stands (doubtful). And celebrating discrimination is asinine, you wouldn't see any benefit in your personal life from DACA ending.

 

[SuzieJoeBob]

It is not. Corporations don't want highly-educated and highly-skilled white collar workers crossing the border, they only want undocumented workers that they can exploit with poverty wages and threats of deportation.

Companies hire skilled and educated foreigners all the time by giving them H-class and J-class visas all the time, saving costs related to hiring an equally-qualified citizen. https://money.cnn.com/2016/01/25/technology/disney-h1b-workers/index.html

You mention hypocrisy yet decline to mention all the times throughout the last two decades alone that the US fucked with South America, its leaders, and its economies. Trump knew his actions and policies would lead to a surge in immigrants from the South, and it benefited him politically to fear-monger over brown people while he simultaneously benefited financially by employing undocumented workers at his resorts and hotels.

I literally said that the US does the same thing, so way to misrepresent my point. Also, you said 'the last two decades', yet seem to single out Trump as the root cause of it all, even though you admit that it occurred prior to his presidency. Stop switching stances and pick one.

It's actually not over at all, anybody currently here under DACA can continue to re-enroll in the program as long as they'd like, even if the Texas judge's ruling stands (doubtful). And celebrating discrimination is asinine, you wouldn't see any benefit in your personal life from DACA ending.

1) Do you truly understand what you are debating? Look up "grandfathering clause".
2) It isn't discrimination when it applies to ALL people emigrating to the United States.
3) DACA was available for anyone that qualified, not just "brown people".
4) Whether I do or do not benefit, assuming that I "wouldn't see any benefit" in DACA ending is presumptuous and rather immature. I am providing factual evidence, yet you seem to rely solely on personal attacks and emotion.

 

[Xzi]

Companies hire skilled and educated foreigners all the time by giving them H-class and J-class visas all the time, saving costs related to hiring an equally-qualified citizen. https://money.cnn.com/2016/01/25/technology/disney-h1b-workers/index.html

What are we talking about here, one for every one thousand undocumented blue-collar worker that corporations hire? It's nice that the program exists at all, sure, but the bottlenecks shouldn't be there. It's painfully inefficient and broken in a number of ways, just like our immigration system at large.

Also, you said 'the last two decades', yet seem to single out Trump as the root cause of it all, even though you admit that it occurred prior to his presidency. Stop switching stances and pick one.

It actually goes back much further than that, but I singled out Trump because his administration's policies were intentionally malicious where immigration was concerned. Not to mention the US staged a coup against a democratically-elected socialist leader in South America during his term.

It isn't discrimination when it applies to ALL people emigrating to the United States.

That just means its discriminatory toward even more people.

Whether I do or do not benefit, assuming that I "wouldn't see any benefit" in DACA ending is presumptuous and rather immature.

Immature is wishing harm or ill-will upon people you've never met. I'll not retract my statement, either. There is no possible benefit for you personally in ending DACA, it's only something you feel obligated to cheer for because you're treating politics like a team sport, instead of considering the real-world impact a decision like this can have on millions of people.

 

[SuzieJoeBob]

What are we talking about here, one for every one thousand undocumented blue-collar worker that corporations hire? It's nice that the program exists at all, sure, but the bottlenecks shouldn't be there. It's painfully inefficient and broken in a number of ways, just like our immigration system at large.

You stated "Corporations don't want highly-educated and highly-skilled white collar workers crossing the border," which I am simply proving is false. Don't move the goalposts.

It actually goes back much further than that, but I singled out Trump because his administration's policies were intentionally malicious where immigration was concerned. Not to mention the US staged a coup against a democratically-elected socialist leader in South America during his term.

1) I do agree that certain aspects of the immigration policy were inappropriate, but assessing immigrants and keeping each accounted for is not malicious. That is literally what immigration policy is about.
2) Parents were literally sending their children with coyotes to sneak into the United States, possessing no form of identification, yet were upset that the children's family could not be identified.
3) Not disagreeing with you about the Venezuelan coup of Maduro. Maduro is still a bad person though, and just remember that Vladimir Putin is 'reelected' every time too.

That just means its discriminatory toward even more people.

I see you still haven't looked up "grandfather clause".

Immature is wishing harm or ill-will upon people you've never met.

Vocabulary lesson #2: malevolent

I'll not retract my statement, either. There is no possible benefit for you personally in ending DACA, it's only something you feel obligated to cheer for because you're treating politics like a team sport, instead of considering the real-world impact a decision like this can have on millions of people.

1) https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic

2) https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

3) https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

 

[Xzi]

You stated "Corporations don't want highly-educated and highly-skilled white collar workers crossing the border," which I am simply proving is false. Don't move the goalposts.

My statement remains correct, they get their undocumented blue collar labor from Southern border crossings, while highly-skilled white collar workers they request by name and usually fly them over at the company's expense. The latter is not what's causing suppressed wages.

Parents were literally sending their children with coyotes to sneak into the United States, possessing no form of identification, yet were upset that the children's family could not be identified.

In some cases, yes. In others, the Trump administration only lost track of the parents after deporting them.

Not disagreeing with you about the Venezuelan coup of Maduro. Maduro is still a bad person though, and just remember that Vladimir Putin is 'reelected' every time too.

Umm, he had just been elected the once. There's no evidence to suggest he would've been an anti-democracy dictator like Putin.

I see you still haven't looked up "grandfather clause".

Clearly I know what that is, as I described it in my first reply to you.

Vocabulary lesson #2: malevolent

I'll be sure to ask if I ever need help with synonyms, thanks.

1) https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic

2) https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

3) https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

None of these apply, and you still haven't been able to verbalize a single way in which you would benefit from DACA being repealed. So I'm just gonna assume you concede that point.

 

[Deleted member 559230]

Again, hypocrite much? Conservatives are THE single largest group of compulsive hypocrites on the face of the planet. I just. I can't even believe what I just read. Go ahead and block me and stay in your little echo chamber full of denial to your own sides lies and shit made up completely out of thin air. You have accomplished nothing more than .

I'm not in an echo chamber as I intake plenty of main stream media. I just have no desire to deal with the dishonest hypocritical liberals on this site. So I will add you to my ignore list, per request.

 

[Deleted member 559230]

Sure - here's a whole video on it, with sources cited therein.



Also, there is no consensus on the success rate of physical border crossings from Mexico, so I would LOVE to see your sources on that one.

Thanks for the video link. I'll watch it when I get some time. You are right that there's no consensus of how many people make it into the country and vanish before being caught by border patrol. That's sort of the nature of how it works. If we knew the actual number that means we'd have a way to stop them. What happens is this ... they come in illegally and try to head for a big city with sanctuary laws that prevent them from being reported and allow them to pick up public benefits. If for so reason they get caught they are instructed to claim asylum. They had no intention on claiming asylum until they got caught as it's a last ditch effort. I live close to the US Mexican border so I'm fairly informed about how things work South of me.

I am not on any "side," btw. I'm registered as an independent voter. You're the one who's advocating for increased power to be awarded to the state to enforce what is, at the end of the day, an arbitrary law related to imaginary lines in the sand. Do I want the state to be pounding on my door in the middle of the night and searching my property for illegals given "reasonable suspicion" (because door to door is the only way they're going to track down any of the illegals who aren't regularly taken into custody)? Hell no, my friend. They can say hello to the business end of my "home defense system."

I am also an Independent and I never advocated for such things.

You are also suggesting that my tax money should continue to be spent to give these people, once apprehended, a free flight home after they have been potentially taking from the system and not paying taxes for (in terms of the people covered by DACA) 10-25 years. Up yours.

I'm not sure where you're drawing these assumptions from, but I rather illegal aliens just be dropped right over the border back into Mexico as opposed to being detained here in the States or given a plane ticket to go back to where they came from.

 

[jimbo13]

I'm not in an echo chamber as I intake plenty of main stream media. I just have no desire to deal with the dishonest hypocritical liberals on this site. So I will add you to my ignore list, per request.

That's insulting and unfair to traditional Liberals, the under 30 progressive marxists on this site biggest motivation in life is state funding of genital removal and have little in common with liberals.

Their motto should be "Authoritarianism or someone's feelings might get hurt".

 

[D34DL1N3R]

I'm not in an echo chamber as I intake plenty of main stream media. I just have no desire to deal with the dishonest hypocritical liberals on this site. So I will add you to my ignore list, per request.

Adding to your ignore list is in FACT placing yourself in an echo chamber because you are then flat out refusing to hear the opinions of others that don't agree with you. And "dishonest hypocritical liberals on this site"???? Ohhhh, the pure hypocrisy of that statement. Fucking seriously?