"I'm gonna roll this down like GTA!" 14 year old girl opens fire with AK-47 on police

[SG854]

I will say that it was extremely reckless for the homeowner to have had his guns and ammo be so easily accessible to anyone breaking into their house. Countries like Japan have gun laws that require the gun and ammo to be locked in two different safes. The gun is also required to have its trigger locked when being stored. This is to prevent kids or anyone else to gain access to the gun. There's also added security to make sure if they did gain access to the guns, they then need to gain access to the ammo. What I am not trying to blame anyone for having their property stolen but suggesting that preventive measure should and need be in place.

Does the homeowner even have kids to worry about any of that?

 

[Xzi]

Does the homeowner even have kids to worry about any of that?

It doesn't matter, guns are one of the most stolen items from both houses and cars. Leaving them where they can be seen is always a bad idea.

 

[The Catboy]

Does the homeowner even have kids to worry about any of that?

The homeowner actually did have kids, so yeah, that's something he should have been worried about. Preventive measures should have been in place to ensure these guns weren't so easily accessible to just anyone who happened to be in their home. Just because someone doesn't expect to be rubbed, doesn't mean they shouldn't be careful anyways. I am not blaming the homeowner, just stating that this shouldn't have been prevented with proper preventive measures and something to learn from.

 

[SG854]

If you're prone to panicking under pressure or when being awoken suddenly, keeping a gun within arm's reach is the worst idea possible. Unless perhaps there's a certain friend or family member you're looking to be rid of.

Perhaps they'll get trigger happy under pressure.

I don't know whats the solution for those people. Too panicked to not open a safe quick enough and too panicked to be trusted with a gun.

It doesn't matter, guns are one of the most stolen items from both houses and cars. Leaving them where they can be seen is always a bad idea.

If they are just leaving them lying around then maybe they aren't used for protection if you know what I mean. No one needs a shotgun for protection.

 

[AHB]

The fact they could break into a random house and find a fully automatic military assault rifle is peak America

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fully automatic military assault

I think you should understand what words mean before using them.

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[SG854]

The homeowner actually did have kids, so yeah, that's something he should have been worried about. Preventive measures should have been in place to ensure these guns weren't so easily accessible to just anyone who happened to be in their home. Just because someone doesn't expect to be rubbed, doesn't mean they shouldn't be careful anyways. I am not blaming the homeowner, just stating that this shouldn't have been prevented with proper preventive measures and something to learn from.

Oh yeah they did have kids. How did we both miss that.

Man this thread is just a bunch of people misreading this article today or missing points, must be one of those days.


Ok owner did bad. Or good? If the daughters haven't used the guns recklessly even when they are laying about. Maybe the owner did good at raising the daughters.

 

[Xzi]

If they are just leaving them lying around then maybe they aren't used for protection if you know what I mean. No one needs a shotgun for protection.

Shotguns are actually one of the best options for home defense, and I can kind of understand needing quick access in a bad neighborhood, but again all that means nothing given that the guns were sitting out in the open with nobody home.

 

[The Catboy]

Oh yeah they did have kids. How did we both miss that.

Man this thread is just a bunch of people misreading this article today or missing points, must be one of those days.


Ok owner did bad. Or good? If the daughters haven't used the guns recklessly even when they are laying about. Maybe the owner did good at raising the daughters.

I honestly don't even know how that detail just kind of escaped me, which I think is a point to make to always read something over a few times to make sure details aren't missed. I digress though, shit happens.
I wouldn't say the homeowner is bad, just really reckless with his guns. I would still say the same if he didn't have kids because honestly, proper prevention should always be the case.

 

[SG854]

You're probably too stupid to understand this, but anyway

Stuff like this happens due to severe mental illness. It has nothing to do with videogames. Anything could've been the trigger, literally anything. A movie, a TV show, a book. Anything. Murder porn is everywhere these days. It doesn't help shitholes like Reddit and CNN villainize police as well.
Both kids were in foster care so obviously they're severely fucked up in the head, probably thanks to their ex-parents. The girl more than the boy, by the sounds of it.

The fact they could break into a random house and find a fully automatic military assault rifle is peak America

Full-Auto is banned in America. And the article didn't mention that the weapons were military either. The Ak-47 is likely semi-auto. Unless it was made before 1986. But not many regular people legally own a full-auto ak-47.

 

[mrgone]

Full-Auto is banned in America. And the article didn't mention that the weapons were military either. The Ak-47 is likely semi-auto. Unless it was made before 1986. But not many regular people legally own a full-auto ak-47.

since most news articles in the past about ak-47 or ar-15 usually mention that semi automatic can be modded to full-auto, the world assumes everyone does!

 

[Seliph]

There is no link between the two, but there is definitely a link between violence and bad parenting.

They were in foster care, they didn't even really have parents. The foster care system is an awful, awful, traumatic system for children. These kids deserved so much better and our broken system failed them. Even if they had good parents this would just happen again at some point from other kids forced through the system. Good parenting really isn't a solution, you can't enforce "good parenting" without resorting to draconian surveillance measures, you can't quantify what "good parenting" even means, because parenting comes in all different forms. What you can do is fix this busted ass system to ensure that every child has access to a supportive and safe community if they need it. Right now though, it doesn't seem like our country wants to give that support.

Also, the person owning the guns was straight-up irresponsible. I understand the benefit of and I support an armed proletariat, but the responsibility rests on the gun owner to keep their guns locked up in a central, safe location. If someone were to break into your home to steal your shit and had very easy access to your guns, then you would be dead. Plain and simple. From experience I know having guns locked up is your safest bet, both for yourself and others. As long as you know how to reach your guns in a timely manner, I see no issue with requiring guns to be in some form of safe. I also see no issue with gun owners having to be educated on such manners before being allowed to own guns like this. It is imperative that the owner has all the knowledge necessary to safely handle/take care of/store firearms otherwise we will see another situation like this.

This country's shit NRA conservative gun culture that fetishes guns and gun ownership is one of the biggest contributors to gun violence and irresponsible gun use. So often I see conservatives swinging around and showing off their guns in the most disrespectful, unsafe manner (Kaitlen Bennet for example), and that needs to change. The conversation should not be about whether guns should be banned or not (because banning guns is unrealistic), it should be about supporting safe gun education and fostering a socially aware proletariat who actually understands the real material utility of guns and that guns exist not to make you cool but as a means of protection.

 

[Deleted member 559230]

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I think you should understand what words mean before using them.

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Indeed. You will find the Liberals on this board love Marx, hate the USA and will condemn the gun and ignore the root cause of this crime. What's the root cause? The girl.

Oh yeah they did have kids. How did we both miss that.

Man this thread is just a bunch of people misreading this article today or missing points, must be one of those days.

Ok owner did bad. Or good? If the daughters haven't used the guns recklessly even when they are laying about. Maybe the owner did good at raising the daughters.

Sorry, I used an ad blocker and it looked like the story ended due to a rather large ad being blocked. It indeed does mention the home owner has two daughters, but it doesn't mention their age and like I already said there might be laws requiring the guns to be under lock and key or there might not be. That's if the kids are under a certain age. For all we know they could have been in a display case or mounted on the wall, both of which could have been legal. The problem with this line of thinking is it makes the guns the villains when that's not the case.

Also, the person owning the guns was straight-up irresponsible. I understand the benefit of and I support an armed proletariat, but the responsibility rests on the gun owner to keep their guns locked up in a central, safe location. If someone were to break into your home to steal your shit and had very easy access to your guns, then you would be dead. Plain and simple. From experience I know having guns locked up is your safest bet, both for yourself and others. As long as you know how to reach your guns in a timely manner, I see no issue with requiring guns to be in some form of safe. I also see no issue with gun owners having to be educated on such manners before being allowed to own guns like this. It is imperative that the owner has all the knowledge necessary to safely handle/take care of/store firearms otherwise we will see another situation like this.

This country's shit NRA conservative gun culture that fetishes guns and gun ownership is one of the biggest contributors to gun violence and irresponsible gun use. So often I see conservatives swinging around and showing off their guns in the most disrespectful, unsafe manner (Kaitlen Bennet for example), and that needs to change. The conversation should not be about whether guns should be banned or not (because banning guns is unrealistic), it should be about supporting safe gun education and fostering a socially aware proletariat who actually understands the real material utility of guns and that guns exist not to make you cool but as a means of protection.

It's not the guns fault. It's also not the home owners fault.

 

[Seliph]

It's not the guns fault.

Tell me where I said it was the gun's fault. I said it's the fault of our society for failing to foster a healthy gun culture and it's also the fault of a lack of good education on proper gun use. It is partially the owner's fault for not properly taking care of their firearms. Callously leaving weapons in a position where children can easily access them is dangerously irresponsible. It's like leaving the stove on or putting metal in the microwave. It's foolish and leads to inevitable danger. This is why we need proper gun education. Did you read what I said or does it just go in one ear and out the other? I literally own guns, I have guns in my house.

 

[The Catboy]

The video game industry, hollywood movies and tv shows, and the main stream media promote the gun violence more than anything else.
So yes there is a connection and if you think otherwise, you are a fool!

The same media (and in some cases worse media,) exists in other countries but yet the US is the only country with these issues. Why is the US such a special case compared to other countries?

 

[Julie_Pilgrim]

Tell me where I said it was the gun's fault. I said it's the fault of our society for failing to foster a healthy gun culture and it's also the fault of a lack of good education on proper gun use. Did you read what I said or does it just go in one ear and out the other? I literally own guns, I have guns in my house.

he just spits out responses to pre-made arguments

 

[Seliph]

he just spits out responses to pre-made arguments

Makes sense based on his braindead signature lol

 

[Taleweaver]

Whoa...This thread weirds me out on many levels. Let's see...

1) on a five page article that mostly discusses two children, gun ownership and foster parenting, the @OP selects on phrase about video games and pretends that's the entire reason the girl did what they did. Perhaps it's not trolling, but it's close to it (hint: it wasn't the girl who said that) and the OP is probably watching the replies eating popcorn.

2) @Xzi and @SG854 demonstrate that guns don't offer protection either IN or OUT of a safe. Do you really have to live outside of the US to be able to make the purely logical deduction that therefore, guns simply DON'T offer protection?

3) apparently, the article never raises questions why a normal Florida (Floridian?) household with kids has "a handgun, pump shotgun and an AK-47 inside, as well as a large amount of ammunition" lying around.

4) break-ins by 12 and 14-year olds? Okay, they're orphans, but doesn't that just make things worse?

5) erm...can I discuss @Lilith Valentine 's signature here (so...girls are actually bad at just...being themselves? ) here, or is that something for the EOF?

 

[Deleted User]

... Without going too deep into Psychology and keeping it at Observational level, I would say the Girl actually never played GTA.

Not many Orphanages would have the Game and, being her age, not many friends would also have the Game.
But it is a cool Reference to her Circle, which is why she's using it.

Both of them act like bullies, and that makes sense in the context of an orphan life.
It's a form of control they have over what happens in their lives.

Two kids that nobody wants around due to prior bad behaviour, who have no means of entertainment, find an empty house and play a Fantasy Game. With real guns.

It doesn't justify any of the actions that took place, but it may provide information for future solutions.
I've seen plenty of these kids growing up and, now that I'm an adult, I hope something can be done to give them better choices.

 

[tabzer]

2) @Xzi and @SG854 demonstrate that guns don't offer protection either IN or OUT of a safe. Do you really have to live outside of the US to be able to make the purely logical deduction that therefore, guns simply DON'T offer protection

This is the dumbest conclusion I have seen in the entire thread. Take polar opposite failures to be an indication of all possible outcomes.

5) erm...can I discuss @Lilith Valentine 's signature here (so...girls are actually bad at just...being themselves? ) here, or is that something for the EOF?

This is the smartest thing I have seen in the entire thread.

 

[The Catboy]

5) erm...can I discuss @Lilith Valentine 's signature here (so...girls are actually bad at just...being themselves? ) here, or is that something for the EOF?

I think you might be digging too deep into it.