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Minneapolis to Abolish the Police

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I am all for establishing diplomatic ties between CHAZ/CHOP and the People´s Republic of China. Freedom from oppression to the people of CHAZ/CHOP!
Too late. CHAZ got the chop because they couldn't stop thieving, shooting and raping each other. Very tragic. Some Chinese discipline might have done them some good.
 

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They have not given up yet. The mayor of Seattle has betrayed their friendly relationship and threatens their annihilation. If they survive the aggression, China could send over some farmers to show the young nation that a garden actually needs more than 1cm of earth sprinkled on a cardboard.
 
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Too late. CHAZ got the chop because they couldn't stop thieving, shooting and raping each other. Very tragic.
You're thinking of the Republican national convention, that's a couple months away still.

Seriously though, protesters have continued to occupy the police precinct this entire time. Not sure how much of the autonomous zone remains otherwise.
 
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Hey, 'member when conservatives were telling people to be self-reliant and buy a gun because the police will always take too long to show up to a crime scene? I 'member. Guess it's only when cops are beating and killing black people that the right-wing likes to pretend they're suddenly useful and worth defending as an institution.
 

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The same people who want to abolish the police are the same people who want the police to take our guns and keep us locked in our own homes.

What if I want to arm citizens and have them exercise their 2nd ammendment rights yet also repurpose the massively overbloated police funds into public health and education
 

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Guess it's only when cops are beating and killing black people that the right-wing likes to pretend they're suddenly useful and worth defending as an institution.
To their credit, I have never heard right-wingers call for the defunding or abolishment of police. When shit gets real, people who just cursed at the police scream "call 911" (as seen in New Mexico).

Have you seen the video of the New Mexico incident? A (former?/undercover?) police officer is attacked by a mob. He is attacked by someone hitting him with a skateboard, walks backwards (even with his back towards them), but they scream "he is a cop", "get him" "I am going to kill you" as he walks away from them and is being chased by them. The mob attacks him and he shoots in self-defence.
How do you interpret it (if you have seen it)?
 

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To their credit, I have never heard right-wingers call for the defunding or abolishment of police.
Like I said, I've heard plenty of people on the right describe the police as useless, "won't get there until you're already dead," etc. I don't see any reason why those same individuals wouldn't support their tax dollars going to more useful institutions/programs. Well, unless they're libertarian anarchists or shameless hypocrites, anyway.

Have you seen the video of the New Mexico incident? A (former?/undercover?) police officer is attacked by a mob. He is attacked by someone hitting him with a skateboard, walks backwards (even with his back towards them), but they scream "he is a cop", "get him" "I am going to kill you" as he walks away from them and is being chased by them. The mob attacks him and he shoots in self-defence.
I hadn't seen nor heard of this incident, no. At least the guy got to walk away with his life, though, whereas the heavily armed, far-right "boogaloo boys" have been straight executing a number of police officers in the streets lately. Obviously their reasons for hating the cops are very different from the left's, but a murder is a murder regardless.
 

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You should watch the video. If I can find it in China, you can surely find it as well. I´m interested in your interpretation since we differed in terms of the interpretation of another shooting.
 

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To their credit, I have never heard right-wingers call for the defunding or abolishment of police.

Then you have not been looking hard enough or paying very selective attention. Few will use the word defund or abolish but the end results in their fantasy world where they could say what goes end up going somewhat similar places, or heading in that direction even if with somewhat different underlying logic.

While there are plenty on the right wing (though not exclusive to them either) that will generally tolerate the police as is, or go much further still, there are also plenty that fall under the broad umbrella of right wing politics (left-right wing is a massive oversimplification for most purposes) that will seek massive scaling back of police activities (this will usually be more on the libertarian side of things, though contemplating even just the US take on libertarian notions of government for than 30 seconds will show why left-right is an oversimplification), and reform of them in general (various powers they have, the ticket writing quota stuff, the various powers they want to give them instead, the training they would want them to have and on and on).

For my money the latter likely have some better ideas if the alternative is to assume the police are violent, racist thugs that are better all fired and to instead start over -- I still maintain the US police don't have a racism problem as much as one of the major factors in the poverty problem. Spend 100 billion finding racist police officers and you will get a few dozen people close to retirement and a few people in the deep dark south, spend 100 billion funding some better education, attracting employers (or creating them if as a government you can "compete with private enterprise"*, maybe consider compelling people to have better firearms training (barring legal records it is generally harder to pass a driving test than get a gun, and such things come with no expectation you know how to properly use it. If I look around the world that would seem to be one of the major differences in places that have sizeable amounts of weapons in the hands of civilians), funding some mental health treatment (and possibly health in general -- plenty of people go broke thanks to that one, I have never heard of it here**), better training for police and the results will be far better.

*the US has a weird hangup there. Or if you prefer it is why their tax filing is a hideous mess where most of the rest of the world logs onto an online system the government provides, spends 20 minutes (I am self employed with dozens of clients in various contracts and states of remuneration , I spend 20 minutes each year though that is also aided by keeping books at the time) and calls it a day. Now imagine what happens when that is scaled all the way up to nation level.

**I suppose technically I have. Mainly someone that could not finish a contract or we the family's main breadwinner before getting taken in for seriously needed treatment and not coming out at full capacity. Nobody ever really got buried by bills unless it was for optional stuff.
 

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Hey, 'member when conservatives were telling people to be self-reliant and buy a gun because the police will always take too long to show up to a crime scene? I 'member. Guess it's only when cops are beating and killing black people that the right-wing likes to pretend they're suddenly useful and worth defending as an institution.
You threaten the criminal with a loaded gun, then call the police if they run away. If the criminal pulls out a gun of their own, shoot. Simple, yet effective.
 

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