Patcher is at it again

[emigre]

The WiiU appears to have loads of games if you look at the 360 and PS3 for the same market period from launch.

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That list of Wii U gaems is so underwhelming.

 

[Mantis41]

That list of Wii U gaems is so underwhelming.

I didn't say they were good, just more of them.

 

[TripleSMoon]

I do understand your concern. However I believe the mistake you make, is to to expect that you can play everything with a single system.The way I see it (unfortunately) that will never happen.

If someone only cares about Sony exclusives and third party titles, they can buy a PlayStation and be good to go. If someone only cares about Microsoft exclusives and third party titles, they can buy an Xbox and be good to go. But if someone only cares about Nintendo exclusives and third party titles, they can buy a Wii U and... NOT be good to go unless they buy a second platform? Wait, what?

You see what I'm saying? Expecting to get most of the exclusives* and third party titles one cares about on one console isn't unheard of, nor is it an realistic expectation. Sony and Microsoft have been doing it this whole past generation, and yet Nintendo isn't doing it even now, and that's a serious problem.

*(Obviously if you love exclusives from multiple consoles, that's a different story)

 

[WhiteMaze]

If someone only cares about Sony exclusives and third party titles, they can buy a PlayStation and be good to go. If someone only cares about Microsoft exclusives and third party titles, they can buy an Xbox and be good to go. But if someone only cares about Nintendo Nintendo exclusives and third party titles, they can buy a Wii U and... NOT be good to go unless they buy a second platform? Wait, what?

You see what I'm saying? Expecting to get most of the exclusives* and third party titles one cares about on one console isn't unheard of, nor is it an realistic expectation. Sony and Microsoft have been doing it this whole past generation, and yet Nintendo isn't doing it even now, and that's a serious problem.

*(Obviously if you love exclusives from multiple consoles, that's a different story)

If you are a Nintendo fan, than yes. Nintendo is not known for using those mass titles, nor do they generally support those titles :/

So again, in a way, I say it is your mistake. They never did that. Nintendo always walked the other "path". That's what makes them somewhat different from the competition.

I'm not sure if Nintendo announced they would have those titles. If they did, then they are at fault.

Now from another point of view, sure it would be awesome if they began supporting those titles too. I would like it (hell, more to choose from).

I'm just saying, they don't have a record of doing that, so why would you expect them to? You know what I mean?

 

[Lestworth]

I totally expected people arguing in favor the wii here, given the long history of this website

I was right .

That being said, Patcher has always been a douche. However, the wii u really had a shitty start. It needs some 3rd party support and right now it SOUNDS like people are being hesitant. People buy the wii u for the first party games, its as simple as that. Basically they buy a current gen, then a nintendo system on the side. Its been like that since the xbox and ps2 came out.

 

[emigre]

If someone only cares about Sony exclusives and third party titles, they can buy a PlayStation and be good to go. If someone only cares about Microsoft exclusives and third party titles, they can buy an Xbox and be good to go. But if someone only cares about Nintendo Nintendo exclusives and third party titles, they can buy a Wii U and... NOT be good to go unless they buy a second platform? Wait, what?

This reminds me about when I was a kid. I was the only one with a Playstation whilst everyone had an N64 which meant I was left out of a lot of conversations. On the bright side, there was regularly new games coming out and I was able to get really good games for less than £30 thanks to third parties. Whilst the N64 owners were reliant on first party games and had regular game droughts whilst having to pay £50 for a game.

 

[WhiteMaze]

People buy the wii u for the first party games, its as simple as that. Basically they buy a current gen, then a nintendo system on the side. Its been like that since the xbox and ps2 came out.

My thoughts exactly. It has always been this way.

 

[emigre]

My thoughts exactly. It has always been this way.

It's like this because Nintendo seemingly are competently inept in securing consistent third party support. Incompetent third party relations shouldn't be tolerated or accepted as the norm.

 

[TripleSMoon]

If you are a Nintendo fan, than yes. Nintendo is not known for using those mass titles, nor do they generally support those titles :/

So again, in a way, I say it is your mistake. They never did that. Nintendo always walked the other "path". That's what makes them somewhat different from the competition.

I'm not sure if Nintendo announced they would have those titles. If they did, then they are at fault.

Now from another point of view, sure it would be awesome if they began supporting those titles too. I would like it (hell, more to choose from).

I'm just saying, they don't have a record of doing that, so why would you expect them to? You know what I mean?

Nintendo used to get decent third party support, even though it was a long time ago. Just because they haven't done something for a long time doesn't make it ok.

Nintendo made a big show at E3 2012 (and I think 2011 as well) about their "unprecedented" third party support with companies like EA (and we all know how stellar that ended up going, right?).

Also, I think you're confusing what I mean when I say "expect." I don't mean "expect" as in "I fully believe it will happen" (though I did have faith at first because of the supposed "unprecedented 3rd party support" they boasted of). I mean "expect" as in it's a reasonable thing to consider "a given" from game consoles in 20-freaking-13. With all the competition doing it, there's just no excuse for Nintendo to not develop a console that attracts third party games, just like everyone else does. Like Emigre said, it's just flat-out unacceptable for Nintendo to not do that today.

Also, Nintendo gets stellar third party support on handhelds, even though competing handhelds have been much more powerful for the past couple handheld generations. So it can't just be power alone. Nintendo is seriously fucking up something here.

PS: Just to clarify if there was any confusion, I was not an early Wii U adopter, and still don't own one. So this has nothing to do with me being "burnt" by falsely believing the system would get third party support.

 

[Lestworth]

It's like this because Nintendo seemingly are competently inept in securing consistent third party support. Incompetent third party relations shouldn't be tolerated or accepted as the norm.

these are my thoughts exactly. Nintendo could hold a bigger market if they actually attempted to please 3rd parties. The only reason why Nintendo remains afloat, is because of its first party games. Don't get me wrong, im not saying they are all shit. I'm simply implying that Nintendo could be regarded as the ONLY system someone needs.

 

[DiscostewSM]

If it hadn't been for his major flip-flopping more than Magikarp and that fact that he gets paid by Microsoft, then maybe his opinion might have been worth listening to.

 

[grossaffe]

Nintendo used to get decent third party support, even though it was a long time ago. Just because they haven't done something for a long time doesn't make it ok.

Nintendo made a big show at E3 2012 (and I think 2011 as well) about their "unprecedented" third party support with companies like EA (and we all know how stellar that ended up going, right?).

Also, I think you're confusing what I mean when I say "expect." I don't mean "expect" as in "I fully believe it will happen" (though I did have faith at first because of the supposed "unprecedented 3rd party support" they boasted of). I mean "expect" as in it's a reasonable thing to consider "a given" from game consoles in 20-freaking-13. With all the competition doing it, there's just no excuse for Nintendo to not develop a console that attracts third party games, just like everyone else does. Like Emigre said, it's just flat-out unacceptable for Nintendo to not do that today.

Also, Nintendo gets stellar third party support on handhelds, even though competing handhelds have been much more powerful for the past couple handheld generations. So it can't just be power alone. Nintendo is seriously fucking up something here.

PS: Just to clarify if there was any confusion, I was not an early Wii U adopter, and still don't own one. So this has nothing to do with me being "burnt" by falsely believing the system would get third party support.

That was actually EA that boasted the unprecedented relationship with Nintendo (though they did so at Nintendo's conference).

 

[TripleSMoon]

If it hadn't been for his major flip-flopping more than Magikarp and that fact that he gets paid by Microsoft, then maybe his opinion might have been worth listening to.

*Facepalm*

That was actually EA that boasted the unprecedented relationship with Nintendo (though they did so at Nintendo's conference).

Fair enough. But even despite that, Nintendo went out of their way to advertise third parties to make it clear that they would be getting good third party support. For example, who do you think invited EA onto Nintendo's conference? But of course, aside from some usually half-assed ports (which admittedly were mostly the third parties' fault), this never really came to fruition.

 

[Mantis41]

Thank god the WiiU hasn't been full hacked. You can imagine where the blame would have been thrown if that had happened early on.

 

[WhiteMaze]

It's like this because Nintendo seemingly are competently inept in securing consistent third party support. Incompetent third party relations shouldn't be tolerated or accepted as the norm.

It all comes down to each persons tastes.

To my eyes, the same old and overused incompetent third party games and software shouldn't be tolerated or accepted as the norm, just because they are accepted by a bigger number of people. Example: COD.

Nintendo used to get decent third party support, even though it was a long time ago. Just because they haven't done something for a long time doesn't make it ok.

Nintendo made a big show at E3 2012 (and I think 2011 as well) about their "unprecedented" third party support with companies like EA (and we all know how stellar that ended up going, right?).

Also, I think you're confusing what I mean when I say "expect." I don't mean "expect" as in "I fully believe it will happen" (though I did have faith at first because of the supposed "unprecedented 3rd party support" they boasted of). I mean "expect" as in it's a reasonable thing to consider "a given" from game consoles in 20-freaking-13. With all the competition doing it, there's just no excuse for Nintendo to not develop a console that attracts third party games, just like everyone else does. Like Emigre said, it's just flat-out unacceptable for Nintendo to not do that today.

Also, Nintendo gets stellar third party support on handhelds, even though competing handhelds have been much more powerful for the past couple handheld generations. So it can't just be power alone. Nintendo is seriously fucking up something here.

PS: Just to clarify if there was any confusion, I was not an early Wii U adopter, and still don't own one. So this has nothing to do with me being "burnt" by falsely believing the system would get third party support.

Oh I thought you did own a WiiU. Well good then.

Again, I do understand your position. And I too believe it would benefit the company to have those big third party titles. Even if only financially.

But for some reason, it feels like Nintendo takes it personally, and doesn't want that to happen. I think they want to be "different" that bad. Lol.

 

[emigre]

It all comes down to each persons tastes.

To my eyes, the same old and overused incompetent third party games and software shouldn't be tolerated or accepted as the norm, just because they are accepted by a bigger number of people. Example: COD.

The third party games which ensures no game drought occurs, the third party games which provide a greater range of games to play, the third party games which helps sell hardware. You can be pretentious about how you find third party support as creatively bankrupt but you cannot deny system with third party support tend to do well.

 

[FAST6191]

To my eyes, the same old and overused incompetent third party games and software shouldn't be tolerated or accepted as the norm, just because they are accepted by a bigger number of people. Example: COD.

If a language does not have a wide array of books and information published in it then most consider it a failed language.

If a video format does not get widely used by a whole host of parties then it can be considered to have failed. Repeat for other types of multimedia.

Software development as an only route in is via the maker affair is actually fairly radical as far as such things go.

To that end I am not sure I can really back that view.

 

[WhiteMaze]

The third party games which ensures no game drought occurs, the third party games which provide a greater range of games to play, the third party games which helps sell hardware. You can be pretentious about how you find third party support as creatively bankrupt but you cannot deny system with third party support tend to do well.

I see your point. However, I don't necessarily agree with it.

Game drought? Well the way I see things, just because "Call of Duty: Black Ops", "Call of Duty: Black Ops 2", and "Call of Duty: Holy crap!" exist, doesn't mean there isn't a game drought.

Also sorry for overusing COD, but you get my point. The same principle can be applied to many other titles.

Greater range of games to play. Well I sort of agree on that one, and disagree at the same time. It depends. Personally, I see a lot of the same concepts, over and over again.

Third Party games that help sell hardware? Well yes, true and agreed. I covered that in my previous post.

Of course I cannot I deny third party support tends to do well. In fact, it always does. I also covered that in my previous post.

The issue here is not the doing well or not. It is the creativity of the games. I want NEW and never before seen games. Not the same "crap".

Of course, Nintendo does release the same crap over and over. But if I buy Nintendo, I already know I'm going to be "stomping a lot of boomas" if you know what I mean.

 

[TripleSMoon]

Oh I thought you did own a WiiU. Well good then.

Again, I do understand your position. And I too believe it would benefit the company to have those big third party titles. Even if only financially.

But for some reason, it feels like Nintendo takes it personally, and doesn't want that to happen. I think they want to be "different" that bad. Lol.

I'm probably going to grab a Wii U by year's end, closer to when all the cool 1st party games come out (Wind Waker HD, Mario Kart, Super Mario 3D World, Smash Bros, etc). But I think buying a console at launch is a terrible idea, even more so with the Wii U, since it's going to be until the end of this year before any games that scream "must buy" to me come out.

But I don't think Nintendo "doesn't want it to happen" with third parties. After all, why would they have tried to garner 3rd party support with the Wii U (even though they failed) if they "didn't want it to happen"? There's no negative impact that good third party support could truly have on a console.

 

[WhiteMaze]

If a language does not have a wide array of books and information published in it then most consider it a failed language.

If a video format does not get widely used by a whole host of parties then it can be considered to have failed. Repeat for other types of multimedia.

Software development as an only route in is via the maker affair is actually fairly radical as far as such things go.

To that end I am not sure I can really back that view.

True.

But does that really mean I enjoy that Book / Format / Game, solely because my neighbor did? Certainly not.

Again, this comes down to everyone's tastes, unfortunately.