Hacking Discussion Please remember that some developers don't want to be associated with piracy

[nyder]

So, you have no clue what you're responding to? Just spitballing and hoping something sticks? Why even talk at all?

I will ask you the same question. In your post, you have no idea what you are talking about, so why are you wasting our time?

 

[ScarletDreamz]

This has been done since probably Julius Caesar times.

Theres NOTHING new that has been done here, so, your worry is that people are loading a pre-patched kernel?

Thats not new, people has been doing this for years.

Android? Patched Kernels? Custom Kernels, Luma 3DS that patches Signatures, Dark Alex that Patched the FULL OS from the PSP.

Again, this is nothing new.. its even better if this is done via On The Fly, however, to each their own.

 

[Subtle Demise]

This thread is exactly why I implore devs to keep their works private and away from this "community".

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A brick wall would provide better conversation..

The community is fine, save for a few overly toxic members, a few of which went way overboard with the insults in this very thread.

Again, completely out of context - I never mentioned game sales ones in that entire text ...

You implied it with the title though, mentioning developers, creators, and consumers.

 

[xpoverzion]

The last 2 days have been one of the most hyped times for homebrew as I thought it would be amazing that we could finally mod our games but since people discovered a way to create a "backup-loader" in the loadiine-style and started spreading my ZIP to locations of the internet I'm not allowed to talk about, here is my standpoint on LayeredFS, SDFilesSwitch and hekate:

Hekate has been one of the best things that happened to this community since it gave immense boosts to time and creativity spend on homebrew and so am I also thankful that SDFilesSwitch has nearly become the standard SDFiles in this community but I'm not here to thank you all, I'm instead here to get angry at you all. LayeredFS needs a certain kernel-patch, a kernel patch that requires us to (currently) patch some official Nintendo code to make it work, this code is copyrighted and as such it's completely illegal to share that code. While most people probably shared that file with good intention, I'll have to remind everyone that this file is not allowed to be shared and as such would also fall under GBATemps general rules. While people would be really happy if I included that kernel patch in the zip I would never do that and since I won't, other people already did. I found immense numbers of modified versions of my SDFiles created for piracy and not for the original intention of allowing people access to the homebrew scene and all it's amazing projects. This is sadly not the only part. I have seen tons of SDFile builds that still feature all the talented contributes, developers and me under the credits list. That means that if some pirate starts their piracy-infested SDFiles build, I and others would be the first thing they would see what may sound like a good thing, I mean, we get some credits, right?

But it really isn't! - The names of the developers and mine will be remembered by those who started the piracy infested SDFiles and will throw bad light at us, people that just wanted to share homebrew and create open-source stuff.

My request here is that you, as a consumer, developer or creator should think about your sources and if you'd really want to go down the path and download these illegal kernel patches just to insert some backups into you game and if you do, I'd like to ask you if you're okay with people like nwert leaving because their product and name is getting connected to piracy.

The """backup-loader""" already caused immense damage to the community and features we would have gotten by nwert like emuNAND. Piracy is also the fault that the homebrew scene got this awful bias opinion from nearly all sites, even though we only try our best at creating stuff that thinks outside the limited box Nintendo gives us.

I'm probably speaking for a lot of us if I'm saying that we're not connected, responsible or justifiable for the content of those modifications. We will never support piracy!

and please don't spread your piracy boastfulness over all forums, you can enjoy piracy and backup loaders but please, just don't brag about it. ._.

Since people already seem to not get this post - TL;DR Do your piracy but remember that it could always lead to others that did nothing wrong getting bad karma because they get associated with piracy!

This comment also describes it pretty well

Chill out dude. Only about 1-2% of the world pirates anything. Whether that be video games, music, movies, etc... Content providers want you to think otherwise since they are greedy, filthy, human beings like the rest of use. The reason why it's only 1-2% is because it usually takes a high, to advanced knowledge of computers to hack anything in the world. 99% of the population doesn't even know the difference between a .exe file and a .rar file. Even very well layed out turorials are more trouble than it's worth for 99% of the population. So, in the end, don't lose any sleep over it, and enjoy the fact that you have a certain knowledge that 99% of the population does not have.

 

[A Generic User]

are people really bitching about this.....

What do most people who hack a console want out of it? Run Linux? Create custom programs? Maybe duplicate the OS for other platforms? Fuck no it's so people can play games without buying them. Why buy what you can get for free? Some people don't have morals! Do I like things that way? No of course not, but surely just telling your child they're misbehaving isn't sufficient for actually getting their behavior to change.

Hackers have been trying to develop console tools solely for the development of homebrew and yet it almost always leads to piracy. Not just because these hacks make it possible, but because that's what many actually want out of it. But if hackers are really going to get salty over people using their shit for pirated games (glad I don't have to euphemise the language here....right?), they seriously need to reevaluate the community they're releasing it to. If hackers really wanted to disallow piracy, they would develop everything in secret and never release anything: that way if someone wants to pirate games, they can figure it out themselves and so everything they get punished for falls on them.

 

[tomGER]

The community is fine, save for a few overly toxic members, a few of which went way overboard with the insults in this very thread.


You implied it with the title though, mentioning developers, creators, and consumers.

Hmm yeah, I'll ask to change it and added some warning to the post - But it showed me how easily triggered and ignorant some parts of the community can be - I'd say that around 75% of the comments didn't even read the post and started hating

 

[CallmeBerto]

are people really bitching about this.....

What do most people who hack a console want out of it? Run Linux? Create custom programs? Maybe duplicate the OS for other platforms? Fuck no it's so people can play games without buying them. Why buy what you can get for free? Some people don't have morals! Do I like things that way? No of course not, but surely just telling your child they're misbehaving isn't sufficient for actually getting their behavior to change.

Hackers have been trying to develop console tools solely for the development of homebrew and yet it almost always leads to piracy. Not just because these hacks make it possible, but because that's what many actually want out of it. But if hackers are really going to get salty over people using their shit for pirated games (glad I don't have to euphemise the language here....right?), they seriously need to reevaluate the community they're releasing it to. If hackers really wanted to disallow piracy, they would develop everything in secret and never release anything: that way if someone wants to pirate games, they can figure it out themselves and so everything they get punished for falls on them.

They would share with the people they trust and nothing more. They just want attention and then they go and REEEEEE with it leads to piracy. Like wtf dude

 

[Kioku]

Anyways @tomGER, I respect your standing and moral grounds. However, you should have known better than to question the entitlement of this forum. I foresee a lock in the near future.

 

[jt_1258]

This thread is not about game sells, piracy itself hurting Nintendo or anything like that. It's about piracy getting connected to homebrew developers!

Since people already seem to not get this post - TL;DR Do your piracy but remember that it could always lead to others that did nothing wrong getting bad karma because they get associated with piracy!

The last 2 days have been one of the most hyped times for homebrew as I thought it would be amazing that we could finally mod our games but since people discovered a way to create a "backup-loader" in the loadiine-style and started spreading my ZIP to locations of the internet I'm not allowed to talk about, here is my standpoint on LayeredFS, SDFilesSwitch and hekate:

Hekate has been one of the best things that happened to this community since it gave immense boosts to time and creativity spend on homebrew and so am I also thankful that SDFilesSwitch has nearly become the standard SDFiles in this community but I'm not here to thank you all, I'm instead here to get angry at you all. LayeredFS needs a certain kernel-patch, a kernel patch that requires us to (currently) patch some official Nintendo code to make it work, this code is copyrighted and as such it's completely illegal to share that code. While most people probably shared that file with good intention, I'll have to remind everyone that this file is not allowed to be shared and as such would also fall under GBATemps general rules. While people would be really happy if I included that kernel patch in the zip I would never do that and since I won't, other people already did. I found immense numbers of modified versions of my SDFiles created for piracy and not for the original intention of allowing people access to the homebrew scene and all it's amazing projects. This is sadly not the only part. I have seen tons of SDFile builds that still feature all the talented contributes, developers and me under the credits list. That means that if some pirate starts their piracy-infested SDFiles build, I and others would be the first thing they would see what may sound like a good thing, I mean, we get some credits, right?

But it really isn't! - The names of the developers and mine will be remembered by those who started the piracy infested SDFiles and will throw bad light at us, people that just wanted to share homebrew and create open-source stuff.

My request here is that you, as a consumer, developer or creator should think about your sources and if you'd really want to go down the path and download these illegal kernel patches just to insert some backups into you game and if you do, I'd like to ask you if you're okay with people like nwert leaving because their product and name is getting connected to piracy.

The """backup-loader""" already caused immense damage to the community and features we would have gotten by nwert like emuNAND. Piracy is also the fault that the homebrew scene got this awful bias opinion from nearly all sites, even though we only try our best at creating stuff that thinks outside the limited box Nintendo gives us.

I'm probably speaking for a lot of us if I'm saying that we're not connected, responsible or justifiable for the content of those modifications. We will never support piracy!

and please don't spread your piracy boastfulness over all forums, you can enjoy piracy and backup loaders but please, just don't brag about it. ._.

ooh, I've never seen those kinds of formating in threads here

 

[Kioku]

They would share with the people they trust and nothing more. They just want attention and then they go and REEEEEE with it leads to piracy. Like wtf dude

I don't even think it's the piracy that's the issue. If they couldn't foresee that, then I've got nothing to say. For me, it's the general attitude against a certain stance that shows issue.

 

[ehnoah]

i mean, at the End everyone of them pretty sure do Piracy as well, it is more like a "Codex" to not do Piracy to never get in trouble hacking companies left and right, same goes for me, I hack Payment Systems, left and right. But since I "tell" them I do, I get slipped out so... yeah pretty much the same.

At the End, ofc. sad he is gone, but TX will take over EmuNand Part only part might be dieng is Homebrew, that no one really cares for, at least on this Forum

PS: Never heard of my German Fellower who created this Thread, what did he done? What he developed?

 

[nesadi]

Wow, this thread is filled with entitled idiots, and it's sad if this is representative of the gbatemp community.

 

[Kioku]

ooh, I've never seen those kinds of formating in threads here

It makes me think of adware for some reason.

 

[tomGER]

Chill out dude. Only about 1-2% of the world pirates anything. Whether that be video games, music, movies, etc... Content providers want you to think otherwise since they are greedy, filthy, human beings like the rest of use. The reason why it's only 1-2% is because it usually takes a high, to advanced knowledge of computers to hack anything in the world. 99% of the population doesn't even know the difference between a .exe file and a .rar file. Even very well layed out turorials are more trouble than it's worth for 99% of the population. So, in the end, don't lose any sleep over it, and enjoy the fact that you have a certain knowledge that 99% of the population does not have.

Again, not what this post is about - It wasn't even mentioned ...

are people really bitching about this.....

What do most people who hack a console want out of it? Run Linux? Create custom programs? Maybe duplicate the OS for other platforms? Fuck no it's so people can play games without buying them. Why buy what you can get for free? Some people don't have morals! Do I like things that way? No of course not, but surely just telling your child they're misbehaving isn't sufficient for actually getting their behavior to change.

Hackers have been trying to develop console tools solely for the development of homebrew and yet it almost always leads to piracy. Not just because these hacks make it possible, but because that's what many actually want out of it. But if hackers are really going to get salty over people using their shit for pirated games (glad I don't have to euphemise the language here....right?), they seriously need to reevaluate the community they're releasing it to. If hackers really wanted to disallow piracy, they would develop everything in secret and never release anything: that way if someone wants to pirate games, they can figure it out themselves and so everything they get punished for falls on them.

That's one of the first valid pro-arguments I have heard in this thread and I can get behind, the problem is that a lot of hackers are already slowly drifting into developing stuff secretly what is kinda sad since Open-Source solutions can bring us much much more

 

[gameboy]

most people dont buy every single game anyway so if someone were to 'pirate' a bad game they would not play it through, delete it and not give it a review or recommendation , okay good... but if someone bought a game and forced themselves to finish it even though it was terrible and gave it a bad review and told people not to buy, big problem.

 

[WiiUBricker]

I think hackers, piracy or not, will always get bad karma from the general public. Just look at sites like Nintendolife or Gonintendo that get swarmed with hate comments towards hackers everytime an article related to hacking is posted.

The general public doesn’t know the difference. To them, hackers are all bad. I think we should stick together as a group and enjoy what we can have.

Also, it’s not like people will use LayeredFS forever. They will quickly forget about it once a more convenient method of warez launching is accomplished. They might even forget about it once Team Executer’s product finds its way to the households.

 

[CallmeBerto]

I don't even think it's the piracy that's the issue. If they couldn't foresee that, then I've got nothing to say. For me, it's the general attitude against a certain stance that shows issue.

Oh I got that from OP post. It's more they don't like their name attached to it. I get it but this comes with it. In a perfect world everyone would pay for their shit but we don't live in that kind of world and we never will soooooo

 

[Lemon_]

put me in the screencap

 

[A Generic User]

That's one of the first valid pro-arguments I have heard in this thread and I can get behind, the problem is that a lot of hackers are already slowly drifting into developing stuff secretly what is kinda sad since Open-Source solutions can bring us much much more

Yeah I don't like it either but ultimately it's the developer's choice of whether to release it or not, and I'll have to respect said choice.

 

[Mark McDonut]

This is the edgiest, most summer set of replies I've seen in a long-ass time.

When you guys are done looking cool, check out the rules section. If this website is so dickhard for piracy where's the links to files?