[Poll]Do you think Mexico will pay for the wall?
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edit: oh you mean the wall, my bad 20 billion
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Edit: 20 billion
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You are being pretty condescending. We know what math is and what a source is. Do you treat people like this in "real life" too?
No. It was a joke lol.
Bottom line NAFTA is a big deficit, cutting that in half will more than cover the wall to prevent the compadres from jumping a fence.
I'm not from US or whatever but remember Trump is a businessman afterall, pretty sure that he'd win
You do realize that even with a Wall that won't stop illegal immigration, right?
I mean, look at this:
That's the actual fence which is at the border at the moment.
It's more than 3m tall, I don't see how a Wall would make up for the fence which supposedly mexicans "jump" over.
Illegal immigration is not done by jumping the fence, it done by other meaning, being it tunnels or crossing over harsh environment which is not protected by the fence. The Wall will do jackshit to immigration, I can guarantee you that.
Sounds like a great argument against NAFTA, but I fail to see what it has to do with Trump's wall.
I've heard that your president is dumber than ours... Something i truly believed impossible.
I also heard that, the first "Payment" will be courtesy of texas... so... giddy up taxes!
To be honest, in México, we don't even pay for our own health (that's becasue we have a FUCKING DISGUSTING PUBLIC HEALTH SYSTEM)
So, even if your beloved president says:
"México will pay for it, if not, their fired"
And even if my president says:
"Yes yes, I'm your bitch, spank me harder, spank me harder, Ahh!"
Us, as Méxican citizens pretty much WONT allow it.
More likely, we'll stop paying our taxes, and that's something we have done before.
So... it's a hard vision here.
In one hand you have us, the mexican citizens that always "fights back" against everything (I don't like to flow with the current, so I'll be sit tight in my home laughing at everyone)
And in the other hand you have the dumb american racists that will do whatever they can to stop "us-the mexicans" to cross your beloved border, even if that means that they'll pay more taxes in order to accomplish the caprices of your president.
Now... how does is feel to have a dumber president than Bush?
We're used to it... but you, oh, you're just starting.
(I don't take this very serious, pretty much nothing will happen)
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Maybe if it was an electrical fence...
Te imaginas si lo fuera?
The quantity of cables that would fit there just to steal the electrical energy?
Free energy!
I also heard that, the first "Payment" will be courtesy of texas... so... giddy up taxes!
To be honest, in México, we don't even pay for our own health (that's becasue we have a FUCKING DISGUSTING PUBLIC HEALTH SYSTEM)
So, even if your beloved president says:
"México will pay for it, if not, their fired"
And even if my president says:
"Yes yes, I'm your bitch, spank me harder, spank me harder, Ahh!"
Us, as Méxican citizens pretty much WONT allow it.
More likely, we'll stop paying our taxes, and that's something we have done before.
So... it's a hard vision here.
In one hand you have us, the mexican citizens that always "fights back" against everything (I don't like to flow with the current, so I'll be sit tight in my home laughing at everyone)
And in the other hand you have the dumb american racists that will do whatever they can to stop "us-the mexicans" to cross your beloved border, even if that means that they'll pay more taxes in order to accomplish the caprices of your president.
Now... how does is feel to have a dumber president than Bush?
We're used to it... but you, oh, you're just starting.
(I don't take this very serious, pretty much nothing will happen)
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You do realize that even with a Wall that won't stop illegal immigration, right?
I mean, look at this:
That's the actual fence which is at the border at the moment.
Maybe if it was an electrical fence...
Te imaginas si lo fuera?
The quantity of cables that would fit there just to steal the electrical energy?
Free energy!
Estaria de poca haha
I can already see people putting their cables hanging from the fence just to grab some free energy xD
Will Mexico hand us a check for the wall? Hell no! Will Mexico pay for the wall? A distinct possibility.
One way of collecting the money from Mexico would be to impose a tariff. That's not ideal, but it's definitely plausible. The mexican peso is now at an all-time low, and it's directly correlated to Donald Trump's victory. Just imagine the amount of damage Trump could do to the Mexican economy if he wanted.
Another way he could accomplish the task would be a "border-crossing fee". This idea is much more civil, it's our wall and if you use it, you pay to use it. Though, it would take significantly more time to collect enough to pay for the wall this way.
Or, if Trump wanted to be particularly nasty, he could freeze the ability of Mexicans working here to send money back to their families in Mexico. an excerpt from the Washington Post, "In the memo, Trump said he would threaten to change a rule under the USA Patriot Act antiterrorism law to cut off a portion of the funds sent to Mexico through money transfers, commonly known as remittances. The threat would be withdrawn if Mexico made “a one-time payment of $5-10 billion” to pay for the border wall, he wrote."
And here's a link to an article explaing one way of making Meixco pay for the wall: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...3375f271c9c_story.html?utm_term=.b4fc54b45975
And one, final quote for those too lazy to follow the k=link and read the article:
Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto told an assembly of top diplomats last week that “Mexico of course will not pay” for Donald Trump’s wall. His predecessor, former president Vicente Fox, put it more bluntly in a tweet storm last week, declaring: “TRUMP, when will you understand that I am not paying for that [f----n] wall.”
They are both wrong. Trump absolutely can make Mexico pay. And the answer lies in a provision of the corporate tax-reform plan House Republicans are planning to take up after Trump’s inauguration — the so-called “border adjustment.”
One way of collecting the money from Mexico would be to impose a tariff. That's not ideal, but it's definitely plausible. The mexican peso is now at an all-time low, and it's directly correlated to Donald Trump's victory. Just imagine the amount of damage Trump could do to the Mexican economy if he wanted.
Another way he could accomplish the task would be a "border-crossing fee". This idea is much more civil, it's our wall and if you use it, you pay to use it. Though, it would take significantly more time to collect enough to pay for the wall this way.
Or, if Trump wanted to be particularly nasty, he could freeze the ability of Mexicans working here to send money back to their families in Mexico. an excerpt from the Washington Post, "In the memo, Trump said he would threaten to change a rule under the USA Patriot Act antiterrorism law to cut off a portion of the funds sent to Mexico through money transfers, commonly known as remittances. The threat would be withdrawn if Mexico made “a one-time payment of $5-10 billion” to pay for the border wall, he wrote."
And here's a link to an article explaing one way of making Meixco pay for the wall: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...3375f271c9c_story.html?utm_term=.b4fc54b45975
And one, final quote for those too lazy to follow the k=link and read the article:
Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto told an assembly of top diplomats last week that “Mexico of course will not pay” for Donald Trump’s wall. His predecessor, former president Vicente Fox, put it more bluntly in a tweet storm last week, declaring: “TRUMP, when will you understand that I am not paying for that [f----n] wall.”
They are both wrong. Trump absolutely can make Mexico pay. And the answer lies in a provision of the corporate tax-reform plan House Republicans are planning to take up after Trump’s inauguration — the so-called “border adjustment.”
The Great Wall of Mexico* since Trump stupidly wants us to build it, we make it, we call it
Even if Trump makes something against México (because, as he says, México reaches from the US border to La Patagonia Argentina), that'll be the stupidest movement ever.
I say this because, in TLCAN (as far as the story of my country goes) If USA decides to breake that agreement, pretty much of the south part of USA will regain Mexican territory/ownership... thing.
In the Tratado de Guadalupe Hidalgo, it is stated that Santana GAVE Texas, California, Los angeles, etc. AS LONG AS THE US shares a bridge with México to export and import any product (TLCAN)
So, I truly hope Trump breakes that TLC...
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Remember... Mexicans can do tunnels too.... just sayin'
I say this because, in TLCAN (as far as the story of my country goes) If USA decides to breake that agreement, pretty much of the south part of USA will regain Mexican territory/ownership... thing.
In the Tratado de Guadalupe Hidalgo, it is stated that Santana GAVE Texas, California, Los angeles, etc. AS LONG AS THE US shares a bridge with México to export and import any product (TLCAN)
So, I truly hope Trump breakes that TLC...
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Remember... Mexicans can do tunnels too.... just sayin'
You're telling me that if we (the US people) breaks this agreement part of OUR country will "revert" to Mexican territory?
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I find it very difficult to believe the Trump would let that fly.
trump will not build any wall its just an stupid ideaThe Great Wall of Mexico* since Trump stupidly wants us to build it, we make it, we call it
You do realize that even with a Wall that won't stop illegal immigration, right?
I mean, look at this:
That's the actual fence which is at the border at the moment.
It's more than 3m tall, I don't see how a Wall would make up for the fence which supposedly mexicans "jump" over.
Illegal immigration is not done by jumping the fence, it done by other meaning, being it tunnels or crossing over harsh environment which is not protected by the fence. The Wall will do jackshit to immigration, I can guarantee you that.
LOL that fence is cute, but soon we will have this:
Paco cannot jump this.
I think he will leverage this to get Mexico to cover up front, if not, then Mexico will suffer as Trump puts the squeeze on the NAFTA agreement and the jobs flood out of Mexico and back to America
.I'm sorry your country sucks, but that doesn't give Mexicans the right to cross into my country. Sorry that's not racist, I just like to follow the laws. That's what we do here in America.
As far as the agreement goes... yep.
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LOL that fence is cute, but soon we will have this:
Paco cannot jump this.
I think he will leverage this to get Mexico to cover up front, if not, then Mexico will suffer as Trump puts the squeeze on the NAFTA agreement and the jobs flood out of Mexico and back to America
I'm sorry your country sucks, but that doesn't give Mexicans the right to cross into my country. Sorry that's not racist, I just like to follow the laws. That's what we do here in America.
You do realize that MANY african immigrants uses MY country to reach YOUR country and that's not only "mexicans" who want's to step a foot in your territory?
LOL good luck taking back an inch of territory with that puny army of federales!
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