Resumes with a female name were 41% more likely to receive a callback than resumes with a male name for software engineering jobs

[smf]

Feminism, contrary to what insecure MRAs have convinced you, is not about woman supremacy or any nonsense like that.

You speak for all feminist? That is kinda patronizing.

 

[LainaGabranth]

You speak for all feminist? That is kinda patronizing.

Make a real objection.

 

[deinonychus71]

I'm going to assume English isn't your first language because I did not say you were a conservative, I said that pointing to people who are disenfranchised in a system as if the privilege they hold in other scenarios magically disappears because they're disenfranchised in one way is something conservatives do. It is also a very stupid thing to do.

The solutions offered are a good start, but then what do you say to people who are the result of generational inequalities and disenfranchisement that's been codified into law since the nation's inception? Black people haven't equal civil rights for even 100 years. There are people in this very thread who could have been alive at the time, that's how young our so-called equality is, and that's just for one group of people. We have a LONG fucking way to go beyond that. The elevation of various qualified people who are ignored in favor of in-group preferences that are culturally sourced is a good thing. It feels like virtue signalling to the psychotic right at this point when people say affirmative action is a bad thing from a "leftist" perspective.

Affirmative action is not the only solution I want, it's just one of many that I think are net positives for society as a whole in the long run.

It's not my first language, but I've also learned to read the subtext of a message. Apologies if the assumption was wrong. Call it a trauma from Twitter lol.

The solutions I proposed, which are also applied in many European countries (more or less successfully), would primarily impact the population that's been sitting on money made by their parents or profiting from it. Inheritance is one big contributor is maintaining the status quo and inheritance taxes are way too lax/generous in the US.
On top of that insisting on the importance of education. Whether someone comes from a school from a poor or rich neighborhood shouldn't impact their chances at life. That's a good place to dump federal money too, plus you never lose by financing the brains of tomorrow.
It will do what you want, by redirecting the money to people who need it the most.

That's of course only addressing the economic aspect. This isn't a way to say "that's the only problem" as if suddenly all sexism and racism would be gone once addressed. There's so many other aspects of the current society that need to be addressed.
As an example more representation in media to me is a definite net positive because it teaches the young (or well, confront the old) with the idea that we all live together and there's really nothing more normal than that.

 

[RAHelllord]

To answer your question: no it isn't. And yes that is a problem, and yes it's been going on for a very long time, especially in the US that loathes socialism.
In fact I agree with pretty much everything you said, save for the conclusion.

Suggesting correction through discrimination is not equality.

Let me give you an example. I have a friend who worked all his adult life at Walmart. He has no parents, no family to rely on.
Is he, or was he, at a personal level, "ahead of the curve". No of course not.
Yet the current politics would have you discriminate against him regardless, whether he's actually done something to deserve it.

Also comes the question: When will "enough" counter discrimination be "enough"? How long will the children have to pay the consequences for that? How many generations?

There are already more universalist answers to that if you look at most European countries. Someone who unfortunately has a more fragile health doesn't get to live in fear because we collectively handle the cost of healthcare. There are measures in place for all kids to access the same level of education to promote equality of chance to succeed in your studies and career. There are laws against inequalities of incomes, and companies that discriminate during the hiring process get severely punished, as it is (I believe?) the same in the US now.
The US are just so ridiculously behind when it comes to these questions, especially when it comes to healthcare and education, that I'm not surprised that more drastic solutions become more popular, but they aren't more just, they're just reversing the problem.

In a perfect world the discernment between people that need aid and people that can give aid would be done on a personal level, and in fact that would be pretty easy to implement with nothing more than properly scaling taxes. MLK Jr advocated that the black people be given special treatment because those were the people he was speaking for, but he also wanted to get rid of all classes either way, for everyone.

The people who need help will come in all shapes and from all backgrounds, and it's going to be a long process with many small adjustments along the way to get everyone up to the same level. But it's going to be a faster process if we start with the broad strokes while also directly looking out for other outliers.
Your friend as an example could be put into a new tax category as well as receive additional funding for medical help to offset or prevent additional burdens. But at the bigger scale schools in black communities are severely underfunded and the money has to come from taking funding from schools in predominantly rich white communities, or by increasing taxes for everyone, preferably based on their income.
If you want to make a painting both broad strokes and smaller ones will get you there further and quicker than just worrying about how to place every pigment manually. And you habe to watch and gently adjust your brushes and colors as you go along, just closing your eyes and slapping the canvas ain't getting you very far.

Your entire argument works on the premise that wealth is guaranteed intergenerational.

Let's take your take your theoretical structure is in fact true. But now, let's say that the (white) man ends up with cancer and spends his life's fortune fighting it. Or, let's just say he's an asshole and decides to spend the family fortune living out the golden years. What advantage does the white child now have? In this scenario, nothing.

You could extrapolate this. What if the white family was never good with money in the first place? What if one of these white children are orphans whose parents never wanted them and left them no wealth?

The idea of affirmative action policies makes a preconceived notion that white (male) = wealth and non-white (woman) = poor. For the latter, if the white (male) comes from no wealth, he is now disenfranchised because he has to work against diversity metrics to get into a workforce where he needs the income because he is not privileged. The latter is also racist/sexism as it makes a prejudice that the vast majority of women and blacks are always poor and/or uneducated.

In doing this, it only serves to create a generation of white (male)s that will become disenfranchised and struggle to get ahead (unless you believe being white is just SO amazing it'll somehow work itself out through the cosmos) -- and arguably, you create a generation of white families that now arguably suffer the same intergenerational wealth disenfranchisement that you argue blacks/women continue to suffer from.

Intergenerational wealth is more than just inheritances, but in cases of freak accidents or freak occurrences like that different social programs should immediately kick in and provide a high quality safety net for everyone, it's just that this same safety net will likely more often be used with minorities due them statically being more susceptible to fall behind on the metric thanks to past systemic discrimination.

In a perfect world with competent law makers everyone would get the help they need according to their personal circumstances, but that also means that some people won't need help at all and thus can't profit from those things. But again, that in turn should already mean they don't need them to get ahead. If anyone falls between the cracks the help needs to be adjusted to account for them, this needs to be a constant process that is being watched and reevaluated as we go along through the decades.

 

[Qismat]

Agree with your idea 70% but not 30 %

 

[mrdude]

It seems to me that this is a misleading statistic. Yes, indeed, women are more likely to respond to their resumes for several reasons. The main one is that the employer wants to see a beautiful woman who is pleasant to look at and the second is that the resume of a woman is more literate than that of a man. They have a better way to articulate their thoughts. But men can also compete with women's resumes and sop writing consultants can help. You can write the same literate and beautiful resume. Then your new employers will want to see you in their company.

What a load of rubbish. This bit especially, "the resume of a woman is more literate than that of a man. They have a better way to articulate their thoughts". I don't think you have much life experience at all if you think that's the case. I think today's youth are pretty dense compared to their predecessors, more than likely because education now has woke socialist types that have difficulty with even the basic concepts and find it difficult to identify what a woman and a man actually are and the differences between them.

 

[caipora]

https://economics.yale.edu/sites/default/files/marley_finley.senior_essay.pdf


I wonder what are the feminists going to say about this.

Imagine working your ass off and then getting turned down because you don't have a vagigia.

I bet a feminist would say something about this IF the GBAtemp community wasn't comprised of 99% of men.
Imma give an example: me and my girl friend (a friend who is a girl lol) both worked on bars. I would rarely receive tips, but it would always be holeheartly, like "nice work kid". This friend of mine would receive more often, most of the times by men and, most of them, usual clients, and they would always hit on her, sometimes in front of their wives - yes they were years older than her. She would just do her job and be gentle and motherfuckers would think that they had a thing going on, sometimes they would tip her willing to have sex with her.
This article you put on seems to me like the HR or boss idfk was like "Hmmm lotta dudes i have these alread-- AWOOOGA look at this BABE damn, i could be staring at those fresh pair of milkers and thick legs AND pay her less! Win win situation"

Edit: damn this is old already

 

[sombrerosonic]

I bet a feminist would say something about this IF the GBAtemp community wasn't comprised of 99% of men.
Imma give an example: me and my girl friend (a friend who is a girl lol) both worked on bars. I would rarely receive tips, but it would always be holeheartly, like "nice work kid". This friend of mine would receive more often, most of the times by men and, most of them, usual clients, and they would always hit on her, sometimes in front of their wives - yes they were years older than her. She would just do her job and be gentle and motherfuckers would think that they had a thing going on, sometimes they would tip her willing to have sex with her.
This article you put on seems to me like the HR or boss idfk was like "Hmmm lotta dudes i have these alread-- AWOOOGA look at this BABE damn, i could be staring at those fresh pair of milkers and thick legs AND pay her less! Win win situation"

Edit: damn this is old already

Also i think City was banned... like a few months ago

 

[caipora]

Also i think City was banned... like a few months ago

Good, there's other dudes here that i would be happy if they got banned
Politics and World News board should be renamed Right-Wing Scarecrowning and Virtue Signaling

 

[LainaGabranth]

Also i think City was banned... like a few months ago

LOL??? What the fuck did I miss? Did he go nuclear again?

 

[sombrerosonic]

LOL??? What the fuck did I miss? Did he go nuclear again?

yea city is banned, try to get on his profile. dead.

 

[Maximumbeans]

What a load of rubbish. This bit especially, "the resume of a woman is more literate than that of a man. They have a better way to articulate their thoughts". I don't think you have much life experience at all if you think that's the case. I think today's youth are pretty dense compared to their predecessors, more than likely because education now has woke socialist types that have difficulty with even the basic concepts and find it difficult to identify what a woman and a man actually are and the differences between them.

Hm, maybe, but then there are plenty of 'anti-woke' types who struggle with basic concepts like vaccination and a spherical Earth. The problem is partly that the younger generations are bombarded with ""alternative facts"" to the degree where they can't actually separate tested truth with wild ignorant speculation. "A wealth of information creates a poverty of attention", as Herbert Simon said. This is true irrespective of any political spectrum.

 

[mrdude]

Hm, maybe, but then there are plenty of 'anti-woke' types who struggle with basic concepts like vaccination and a spherical Earth.

Yes I agree, there are lots of idiots on the planet. There's a lot of people not blessed with common sense and need spoonfed their news/information and told what to think even as adults. You only need to look at a vast percentage of the worlds western population to see that humans are doomed as a species. Luckily there's some people on the planet blessed with fully working brains to keep those less fortunate alive for now, however once the robots and AI take over, those same people will become surplus to requirements and be nothing but a drain on the planets natural resources. These types will most likely die off in the next few generations, and the world will keep on spinning.