Resumes with a female name were 41% more likely to receive a callback than resumes with a male name for software engineering jobs

[TraderPatTX]

I don’t need your poorly worded joke explained to me. I get what you going for and it just wasn’t funny. Try being a less shit person

If you are offended, then it was good comedy. You could have never lived thru the 70's or 80's with that attitude.

 

[CraddaPoosta]

If you are offended, then it was good comedy. You could have never lived thru the 70's or 80's with that attitude.

No one who thinks that people can choose their gender could have survived in any other decade. Period.

Tail wagging the dog, this is.

 

[LainaGabranth]

If you are offended, then it was good comedy. You could have never lived thru the 70's or 80's with that attitude.

But I did, and I still think your joke was boring.

 

[sombrerosonic]

This is a kinda off-topic but...... Dose it make it harder for a guy to get a tech job? and what if your trans? dose it make it easier or harder

 

[SG854]

When at what time has gender equality ever worked. Hell woman has always owned us.
You guys know why!

That is true Women do own us

 

[SG854]

Oh forgot to make a metaverse reference

Damn myself

Meta out

 

[CraddaPoosta]

That is true Women do own us

I'm still over here trying to figure out what a woman is.

I mean, if a Supreme Court Justice can't pin it down, and is responsible for interpreting the Constitution, I don't know where else to turn.

 

[deinonychus71]

I hope to see more and more men crying for being discriminated, as women have been exploited by men since 4000 bc

This represents the main reason why people have come to hate ''woke'' politics.
Even though it is rooted in a strong desire for equality and justice, some people -such as yourself- corrupt this noble idea and turns equality into a desire for revenge, or payback.

You want children to pay for the shortcomings of their parents. And you're not even subtle about it.

Gosh I miss old school socialism. Why fight for universal healthcare and free/fair education when you can just point fingers all day and actually achieve nothing.

 

[CraddaPoosta]

This represents the main reason why people have come to hate ''woke'' politics.
Even though it is rooted in a strong desire for equality and justice, some people -such as yourself- corrupt this noble idea and turns equality into a desire for revenge, or payback.

You want children to pay for the shortcomings of their parents. And you're not even subtle about it.

Gosh I miss old school socialism. Why fight for universal healthcare and free/fair education when you can just point fingers all day and actually achieve nothing.

Out of all of the people I have ever seen on this page, I want to smoke a bowl with you the most.

 

[RAHelllord]

This represents the main reason why people have come to hate ''woke'' politics.
Even though it is rooted in a strong desire for equality and justice, some people -such as yourself- corrupt this noble idea and turns equality into a desire for revenge, or payback.

You want children to pay for the shortcomings of their parents. And you're not even subtle about it.

Gosh I miss old school socialism. Why fight for universal healthcare and free/fair education when you can just point fingers all day and actually achieve nothing.

True equality requires unequal treatment for at least some time.

Image two people, like a woman and a men, or a black person and a white person. The woman / black person make 80% of the income of the men / white person for 40 years. At 40 years time all people get the same income for another 20 years. To make the math easier we'll just assume $20k per year is 100%.

The woman / black person have a wealth of $640,000 and the man / white person have $800,000 after 40 years. After 60 years we're at $1,040,000 for the former and $1,400,00 for the latter. Is this disparity in wealth equality to you?

This is a real problem that discrimination and "equality" currently have, whoever was ahead before things were equalized will still continue to lead forever, and whoever was behind will continue to lag behind.
A great example in the US is the wealth disparity between families that were enslaved and families that weren't. Since emancipated slaves often had nothing but the shirts on their back and were still heavily discriminated against they had it harder to build wealth than their white counterparts at the time. This directly affected their children who were also poorer. In general, the generational wealth has grown much slower for black people in the US than for white people, so even if we now have full equality somehow, they will forever lag behind assuming the wealth will continue to grow at equal rates for everyone.
This is in part why the late Martin Luther King Jr advocated for reparations for the black people, to ensure they can actually catch up at some point, instead of perpetually lagging behind.

 

[CraddaPoosta]

True equality requires unequal treatment for at least some time.

Image two people, like a woman and a men, or a black person and a white person. The woman / black person make 80% of the income of the men / white person for 40 years. At 40 years time all people get the same income for another 20 years. To make the math easier we'll just assume $20k per year is 100%.

The woman / black person have a wealth of $640,000 and the man / white person have $800,000 after 40 years. After 60 years we're at $1,040,000 for the former and $1,400,00 for the latter. Is this disparity in wealth equality to you?

This is a real problem that discrimination and "equality" currently have, whoever was ahead before things were equalized will still continue to lead forever, and whoever was behind will continue to lag behind.
A great example in the US is the wealth disparity between families that were enslaved and families that weren't. Since emancipated slaves often had nothing but the shirts on their back and were still heavily discriminated against they had it harder to build wealth than their white counterparts at the time. This directly affected their children who were also poorer. In general, the generational wealth has grown much slower for black people in the US than for white people, so even if we now have full equality somehow, they will forever lag behind assuming the wealth will continue to grow at equal rates for everyone.
This is in part why the late Martin Luther King Jr advocated for reparations for the black people, to ensure they can actually catch up at some point, instead of perpetually lagging behind.

Let's discuss WHY the falsified wage gap exists, since you want to lean on that.

What are the moving parts involved, here? Remember, you have a better education, by virtue of being educated outside of the US, than anyone here. Please flex that. Since you understand economics so well, I would love to hear you elocute your reasoning as to why the "pay gap" exists, when comparing men and women in the United States.

I ESPECIALLY SPECIALLY SUPER CEREALLY want to hear why you think a wealth gap exists between black Americans and white Americans. This is the one I am most excited to be educated by you on. 83 million people in Germany. One million Afrodeutsche. I'd love to hear all you have to tell about your close, personal experiences with "POC" in your Fatherland.

Please, my German, non-American friend, elucidate and enlighten us with your wisdom and close, personal relativity to the subject matter as it relates to AMERICAN workers and your idea of a wage gap in a country you are not a citizen of.

I hunger for your guidance.

 

[RAHelllord]

Let's discuss WHY the falsified wage gap exists, since you want to lean on that.

What are the moving parts involved, here? Remember, you have a better education, by virtue of being educated outside of the US, than anyone here. Please flex that. Since you understand economics so well, I would love to hear you elocute your reasoning as to why the "pay gap" exists, when comparing men and women in the United States.

Please, my German, non-American friend, elucidate and enlighten us with your wisdom and close, personal relativity to the subject matter as it relates to AMERICAN workers and your idea of a wage gap in a country you are not a citizen of.

I hunger for your guidance.

You're trying too hard little boy.

 

[CraddaPoosta]

You're trying too hard little boy.

I accept your capitulation.

Thanks for stopping by.

Stay classy.

 

[CraddaPoosta]

Directed at anyone who cares to engage; what is the impact of the unwed birth rate in America as it relates to generational wealth? Do we have anyone here who has an informed opinion to offer? I feel as if this particular statistic is often not addressed enough when it comes to economic disparity, and am eager to engage in civil debate.

 

[SG854]

This represents the main reason why people have come to hate ''woke'' politics.
Even though it is rooted in a strong desire for equality and justice, some people -such as yourself- corrupt this noble idea and turns equality into a desire for revenge, or payback.

You want children to pay for the shortcomings of their parents. And you're not even subtle about it.

Gosh I miss old school socialism. Why fight for universal healthcare and free/fair education when you can just point fingers all day and actually achieve nothing.

It was pretty stupid what he said. Why should men currently have to be discrimated against just because of what their ancestors did? Instead of treating them as individuals like how they should be treated. And be treated based on their own actions not the actions of someone else.

It's like my dad committing a robbery and people hate me and throw me in jail for what he did. I could live my life as a good person treating people nice but fuck me you are going to jail.


I'm pretty sure that same person will say it's racist to treat all black people as criminals just because the actions of a few and yet will hypocritically say to mistreat all men because of the actions of other men.

 

[deinonychus71]

True equality requires unequal treatment for at least some time.

Image two people, like a woman and a men, or a black person and a white person. The woman / black person make 80% of the income of the men / white person for 40 years. At 40 years time all people get the same income for another 20 years. To make the math easier we'll just assume $20k per year is 100%.

The woman / black person have a wealth of $640,000 and the man / white person have $800,000 after 40 years. After 60 years we're at $1,040,000 for the former and $1,400,00 for the latter. Is this disparity in wealth equality to you?

This is a real problem that discrimination and "equality" currently have, whoever was ahead before things were equalized will still continue to lead forever, and whoever was behind will continue to lag behind.
A great example in the US is the wealth disparity between families that were enslaved and families that weren't. Since emancipated slaves often had nothing but the shirts on their back and were still heavily discriminated against they had it harder to build wealth than their white counterparts at the time. This directly affected their children who were also poorer. In general, the generational wealth has grown much slower for black people in the US than for white people, so even if we now have full equality somehow, they will forever lag behind assuming the wealth will continue to grow at equal rates for everyone.
This is in part why the late Martin Luther King Jr advocated for reparations for the black people, to ensure they can actually catch up at some point, instead of perpetually lagging behind.

To answer your question: no it isn't. And yes that is a problem, and yes it's been going on for a very long time, especially in the US that loathes socialism.
In fact I agree with pretty much everything you said, save for the conclusion.

Suggesting correction through discrimination is not equality.

Let me give you an example. I have a friend who worked all his adult life at Walmart. He has no parents, no family to rely on.
Is he, or was he, at a personal level, "ahead of the curve". No of course not.
Yet the current politics would have you discriminate against him regardless, whether he's actually done something to deserve it.

Also comes the question: When will "enough" counter discrimination be "enough"? How long will the children have to pay the consequences for that? How many generations?

There are already more universalist answers to that if you look at most European countries. Someone who unfortunately has a more fragile health doesn't get to live in fear because we collectively handle the cost of healthcare. There are measures in place for all kids to access the same level of education to promote equality of chance to succeed in your studies and career. There are laws against inequalities of incomes, and companies that discriminate during the hiring process get severely punished, as it is (I believe?) the same in the US now.
The US are just so ridiculously behind when it comes to these questions, especially when it comes to healthcare and education, that I'm not surprised that more drastic solutions become more popular, but they aren't more just, they're just reversing the problem.

 

[LainaGabranth]

Let me give you an example. I have a friend who worked all his adult life at Walmart. He has no parents, no family to rely on.
Is he, or was he, at a personal level, "ahead of the curve". No of course not.
Yet the current politics would have you discriminate against him regardless, whether he's actually done something to deserve it.

Yep, that's what I was waiting on. This is the "There are people from privileged classes who have bad lives, so we can't try to mitigate inequality!" non-argument conservatives put out all the time. The undeniable fact of the matter is that there is a deeply rooted systemic inequality to the system and we need to start taking measures to fix it. The bandaid has to come off sooner or later, especially in a culture where anything other than the unobstructed continuation of the status quo like everything is perfectly fine is considered "communist" by people who think communism is when the government does anything. Do you have a better solution to affirmative action programs?

You're trying too hard little boy.

Literally the best way to reply to this shit LMAO

 

[deinonychus71]

Yep, that's what I was waiting on. This is the "There are people from privileged classes who have bad lives, so we can't try to mitigate inequality!" non-argument conservatives put out all the time. The undeniable fact of the matter is that there is a deeply rooted systemic inequality to the system and we need to start taking measures to fix it. The bandaid has to come off sooner or later, especially in a culture where anything other than the unobstructed continuation of the status quo like everything is perfectly fine is considered "communist" by people who think communism is when the government does anything. Do you have a better solution to affirmative action programs?

Nothing I said was conservative. Unless of course you believe that discrimination on the basis of social class and its many solutions to address it has somehow become a conservative take (hint: The working class, or proletariat is Marxist term).

But then again, given how you misrepresented what I said I'm not sure you took the time to understand my post.
"We can't try to mitigate inequality". Yes we can. Literally 95% of my post was agreeing to that.

Only, rather than arbitrarily picking what or who is discriminated against, I'd rather see the problem more globally. It's as RAHellord said it. Poors stay poor, people that were behind continue to lag behind.

-How- do you fix that? I've already provided some answers. Enforce consistent, free education for all kids regardless or where they live (get rid of the GPA non-sense). Provide universal healthcare regardless of your financial situation (taxes). Anonymize and/or punish discrimination during the hiring process, enforce transparency of salary for each employee.
How to finance that? Taxes. Income taxes (with brackets that increasingly impact the rich) + inheritance taxes so properties aren't just being passed around by the same people.

Your solution, which has unfortunately become so popular that people think that anyone who disagree with it isn't on the left, just fight discrimination with discrimination. It hurts the wrong people while actually solving none of the systemic issues resulting from unchecked capitalism. It will hurt some people who are already hurting AND It will do nothing to rich people, who are more than happy to throw money away so people can keep pointing fingers at each other for generations to come.

 

[Gamemaster1379]

True equality requires unequal treatment for at least some time.

Image two people, like a woman and a men, or a black person and a white person. The woman / black person make 80% of the income of the men / white person for 40 years. At 40 years time all people get the same income for another 20 years. To make the math easier we'll just assume $20k per year is 100%.

The woman / black person have a wealth of $640,000 and the man / white person have $800,000 after 40 years. After 60 years we're at $1,040,000 for the former and $1,400,00 for the latter. Is this disparity in wealth equality to you?

This is a real problem that discrimination and "equality" currently have, whoever was ahead before things were equalized will still continue to lead forever, and whoever was behind will continue to lag behind.
A great example in the US is the wealth disparity between families that were enslaved and families that weren't. Since emancipated slaves often had nothing but the shirts on their back and were still heavily discriminated against they had it harder to build wealth than their white counterparts at the time. This directly affected their children who were also poorer. In general, the generational wealth has grown much slower for black people in the US than for white people, so even if we now have full equality somehow, they will forever lag behind assuming the wealth will continue to grow at equal rates for everyone.
This is in part why the late Martin Luther King Jr advocated for reparations for the black people, to ensure they can actually catch up at some point, instead of perpetually lagging behind.

Your entire argument works on the premise that wealth is guaranteed intergenerational.

Let's take your take your theoretical structure is in fact true. But now, let's say that the (white) man ends up with cancer and spends his life's fortune fighting it. Or, let's just say he's an asshole and decides to spend the family fortune living out the golden years. What advantage does the white child now have? In this scenario, nothing.

You could extrapolate this. What if the white family was never good with money in the first place? What if one of these white children are orphans whose parents never wanted them and left them no wealth?

The idea of affirmative action policies makes a preconceived notion that white (male) = wealth and non-white (woman) = poor. For the latter, if the white (male) comes from no wealth, he is now disenfranchised because he has to work against diversity metrics to get into a workforce where he needs the income because he is not privileged. The latter is also racist/sexism as it makes a prejudice that the vast majority of women and blacks are always poor and/or uneducated.

In doing this, it only serves to create a generation of white (male)s that will become disenfranchised and struggle to get ahead (unless you believe being white is just SO amazing it'll somehow work itself out through the cosmos) -- and arguably, you create a generation of white families that now arguably suffer the same intergenerational wealth disenfranchisement that you argue blacks/women continue to suffer from.

 

[LainaGabranth]

Nothing I said was conservative. Unless of course you believe that discrimination on the basis of social class and its many solutions to address it has somehow become a conservative take (hint: The working class, or proletariat is Marxist term).

But then again, given how you misrepresented what I said I'm not sure you took the time to understand my post.
"We can't try to mitigate inequality". Yes we can. Literally 95% of my post was agreeing to that.

Only, rather than arbitrarily picking what or who is discriminated against, I'd rather see the problem more globally. It's as RAHellord said it. Poors stay poor, people that were behind continue to lag behind.

-How- do you fix that? I've already provided some answers. Enforce consistent, free education for all kids regardless or where they live (get rid of the GPA non-sense). Provide universal healthcare regardless of your financial situation (taxes). Anonymize and/or punish discrimination during the hiring process, enforce transparency of salary for each employee.
How to finance that? Taxes. Income taxes (with brackets that increasingly impact the rich) + inheritance taxes so properties aren't just being passed around by the same people.

Your solution, which has unfortunately become so popular that people think that anyone who disagree with it isn't on the left, just fight discrimination with discrimination. It hurts the wrong people while actually solving none of the systemic issues resulting from unchecked capitalism. It will hurt some people who are already hurting AND It will do nothing to rich people, who are more than happy to throw money away so people can keep pointing fingers at each other for generations to come.

I'm going to assume English isn't your first language because I did not say you were a conservative, I said that pointing to people who are disenfranchised in a system as if the privilege they hold in other scenarios magically disappears because they're disenfranchised in one way is something conservatives do. It is also a very stupid thing to do.

The solutions offered are a good start, but then what do you say to people who are the result of generational inequalities and disenfranchisement that's been codified into law since the nation's inception? Black people haven't equal civil rights for even 100 years. There are people in this very thread who could have been alive at the time, that's how young our so-called equality is, and that's just for one group of people. We have a LONG fucking way to go beyond that. The elevation of various qualified people who are ignored in favor of in-group preferences that are culturally sourced is a good thing. It feels like virtue signalling to the psychotic right at this point when people say affirmative action is a bad thing from a "leftist" perspective.

Affirmative action is not the only solution I want, it's just one of many that I think are net positives for society as a whole in the long run.