roeVwade:Same-sex couples updating legal status after Supreme Court’s decision on abortion (Jay Reeves) [+CNN clip]

[TraderPatTX]

Well it's moreso the fact your positions are incoherent. In one stance, you're for bodily autonomy relative to harmless vaccination, and then suddenly when it's abortion, an issue that doesn't even concern you since you don't have a womb, you get all twisted about how it "needs to be banned" and so on.

My position's easy and needs no mental gymnastics. Bodily autonomy should be codified into law, or else the government can use it as a vector to oppress people with. Simple!

Now, explain to me why you think bodily autonomy should be limited by the government. Let's go.

Men can get pregnant too. Don't be a bigot.

You do have bodily autonomy, until somebody's right to life comes into play. Your rights end where somebody else's begins. You have a right to life, until you break into my home and attack me. Then you forfeit your right to life because my right to self defense takes precedence.

 

[SyphenFreht]

I've stated my opinion on abortion. Every leftist here can't debate it. That's not on me, that's on you.

We have debated it. You're the one who runs and hides when lambasted for posting irrelevant crap, bad links, personal attacks, and general hypocrisy when all of your main points of debate fall through. Show one post you've made that someone hasn't argued into obsoletion.

 

[TraderPatTX]

We have debated it. You're the one who runs and hides when lambasted for posting irrelevant crap, bad links, personal attacks, and general hypocrisy when all of your main points of debate fall through. Show one post you've made that someone hasn't argued into obsoletion.

Just because I don't spend 24 hours a day here does not mean I'm hiding. It just means I have a life. You should feel honored that I choose to spend time with you on here at all.

 

[LainaGabranth]

Men can get pregnant too. Don't be a bigot.

You do have bodily autonomy, until somebody's right to life comes into play. Your rights end where somebody else's begins. You have a right to life, until you break into my home and attack me. Then you forfeit your right to life because my right to self defense takes precedence.

So, this isn't an answer to my question. Let's try asking again!

Now, explain to me why you think bodily autonomy should be limited by the government. Let's go.

 

[Xzi]

Actually it was blue states who sacrificed grandparents by putting sick people into nursing homes.

Some, yes, I'm not going to deny that mistakes were made and a whole lot of people died as a result, across the entire nation. Trump disbanded the federal pandemic response team one year into his term, so that was a doozy of a fuck-up for sure.

The left supported the PPP loan program. I did not. All government programs like that are rife with corruption.

It was a Trump program which worked as intended, and I'm sure you supported him at the time. Likely you still do.

There's the both sides argument when the left can't defend something. So predictable.

Both sides are capitalist and don't represent the interests of anybody except the elites. Now you're starting to get it. Even George Washington warned us that a two party system would be trash, and here we are.

Anarchists want zero governmnet. Leftists want complete government control. The left uses anarchists to destroy a current government so they can implement fascism or communism.

There's plenty of infighting between communists and anarchists for that very reason. These days I'm leaning more toward the anarchy side of things myself, with some socialism mixed in. Honestly though I'd take even communism over the christo-fascist shithole that righties want to turn this country into. They could just move to Russia right now to experience that type of "utopia" anyway.

You hate that your positions get challenged and you can't defend them. Makes sense. I don't envy you at all.

Nothing you've said has challenged my beliefs or views on anything. You're stuck in the past and you want this country in a constant state of stagnation and decay to match that regressive boomer mindset. You'll be in the rearview mirror soon enough, along with all the sociopathic oligarchs that you worship.

 

[TraderPatTX]

So, this isn't an answer to my question. Let's try asking again!

Now, explain to me why you think bodily autonomy should be limited by the government. Let's go.

I've already explained my position. Explain to me why babies do not have the right to life. What crime did they commit?

 

[LainaGabranth]

I've already explained my position. Explain to me why babies do not have the right to life. What crime did they commit?

Should the government force you to donate blood to someone you don't want to?

TL Note: This is a rhetorical question, trying to change the subject is just concession :^)

 

[SyphenFreht]

Just because I don't spend 24 hours a day here does not mean I'm hiding. It just means I have a life. You should feel honored that I choose to spend time with you on here at all.

Your real world life and the amount of time you spend in it vs here is not even remotely what I was talking about.

Even amid a flurry of back and forths you have with various other users you've yet to dissuade any argument you can't logically debate, and it's not just mine. You frequently ignore facts and links by others while trying to push your own. You frequently ignore others' questions and then try to ridicule people when you don't think they've answered yours. You know exactly what I'm talking about; don't play dumb.

 

[LainaGabranth]

Your real world life and the amount of time you spend in it vs here is not even remotely what I was talking about.

Even amid a flurry of back and forths you have with various other users you've yet to dissuade any argument you can't logically debate, and it's not just mine. You frequently ignore facts and links by others while trying to push your own. You frequently ignore others' questions and then try to ridicule people when you don't think they've answered yours. You know exactly what I'm talking about; don't play dumb.

The right are afraid of debate because they can't virtue signal in it. Sad!!

 

[MartyDreamy]

I've already explained my position. Explain to me why babies do not have the right to life. What crime did they commit?

Because most of the times, when the "babies" are aborted, they're not babies. They're some cells.
Also, what if the baby is not a wanted baby
Example: rape, poor family
Would you still let the "baby" live, with traumas for coming from a rape, in foster houses/orphanage because their parents can't keep them
And don't use the excuses like "keep your legs closed next time" or "use the pill" because you don't know how much the pill can hurt a woman body.

All the people saying "don't abort them, we will keep them!", do they know how many children are waiting to find a family?

 

[The Catboy]

Actually it was blue states who sacrificed grandparents by putting sick people into nursing homes.

The left supported the PPP loan program. I did not. All government programs like that are rife with corruption.

There's the both sides argument when the left can't defend something. So predictable.

Anarchists want zero governmnet. Leftists want complete government control. The left uses anarchists to destroy a current government so they can implement fascism or communism.

You hate that your positions get challenged and you can't defend them. Makes sense. I don't envy you at all.

Say you don’t know anything about politics without telling me

 

[TraderPatTX]

Your real world life and the amount of time you spend in it vs here is not even remotely what I was talking about.

Even amid a flurry of back and forths you have with various other users you've yet to dissuade any argument you can't logically debate, and it's not just mine. You frequently ignore facts and links by others while trying to push your own. You frequently ignore others' questions and then try to ridicule people when you don't think they've answered yours. You know exactly what I'm talking about; don't play dumb.

Oh, you think I'm trying to dissuade you? That's silly. You're part of the 4-6%. Why would I waste my time doing that?

 

[TraderPatTX]

Because most of the times, when the "babies" are aborted, they're not babies. They're some cells.
Also, what if the baby is not a wanted baby
Example: rape, poor family
Would you still let the "baby" live, with traumas for coming from a rape, in foster houses/orphanage because their parents can't keep them
And don't use the excuses like "keep your legs closed next time" or "use the pill" because you don't know how much the pill can hurt a woman body.

All the people saying "don't abort them, we will keep them!", do they know how many children are waiting to find a family?

A DNA sample would prove you wrong instantly.

A baby does not carry the traumas of rape of the mother. There have been thousands of people born from rape who lived full, rewarding lives loved by their mothers.

Keep firebombing pregnancy centers who are helping mothers.

Stop with the talking points. We all know abortion is not about women who were raped. Those abortions count for less than 10% of total abortions performed nationwide. You also wouldn't be performing 3rd trimester on a woman who was raped. That makes zero sense.

 

[SyphenFreht]

Oh, you think I'm trying to dissuade you? That's silly. You're part of the 4-6%. Why would I waste my time doing that?

You clearly didn't comprehend what you read. Do you know what dissuade even means?

 

[LainaGabranth]

A DNA sample would prove you wrong instantly.

A baby does not carry the traumas of rape of the mother. There have been thousands of people born from rape who lived full, rewarding lives loved by their mothers.

Keep firebombing pregnancy centers who are helping mothers.

Stop with the talking points. We all know abortion is not about women who were raped. Those abortions count for less than 10% of total abortions performed nationwide. You also wouldn't be performing 3rd trimester on a woman who was raped. That makes zero sense.

Actually the trauma can manifest itself through the child in things like neglect, or the socioeconomic conditions of the parent. For example, a lot of parents looking at his or her child after being raped are proooooooobably not going to be all "Ooohhh, I'm so thankful to have a kid!"

I mean, if you're in favor of the state saying rape victims have to raise their rapists kid, that's pretty strangely authoritarian for a would-be anti-authoritarian. Sad!

 

[SyphenFreht]

A DNA sample would prove you wrong instantly.

Hey sperm has DNA.

A baby does not carry the traumas of rape of the mother.

That hasn't been proven explicitly one way or the other.

Keep firebombing pregnancy centers who are helping mothers.

Ok. At least it keeps the topic at hand at the forefront of everyone's minds.

Stop with the talking points. We all know abortion is not about women who were raped.

Correct. It's about controlling the blacks, and only the blacks. /s

Those abortions count for less than 10% of total abortions performed nationwide. You also wouldn't be performing 3rd trimester on a woman who was raped. That makes zero sense.

But if all lives mattered, then you wouldn't be so quick to denigrate the lives of the women who were raped or otherwise victimized. Because you continually dehumanize women in the face of forcing birth is why no one takes your platform seriously. You want to enact a blanket law, you need to ensure that the fringe cases are dealt with meticulously, or you're going to have that pushback.

 

[TraderPatTX]

Actually the trauma can manifest itself through the child in things like neglect, or the socioeconomic conditions of the parent. For example, a lot of parents looking at his or her child after being raped are proooooooobably not going to be all "Ooohhh, I'm so thankful to have a kid!"

I mean, if you're in favor of the state saying rape victims have to raise their rapists kid, that's pretty strangely authoritarian for a would-be anti-authoritarian. Sad!

If you have to use the word proooooooobably in your argument, then you have lost the debate. I don't care about your feelings. There is no way you can prove your first paragaraph and your second paragraph is assuming a belief system on me. Didn't I just get yelled at for doing that to somebody earlier and here you are doing it to me. Wow.

 

[SyphenFreht]

There is no way you can prove your first paragaraph and your second paragraph is assuming a belief system on me.

1. No, it's been backed with science. Would you like some references?

2. And the fact that you think abortions should be banned is also a belief system. Are your hands dirty, carrying the pot from which you call the kettle black?

Didn't I just get yelled at for doing that to somebody earlier and here you are doing it to me. Wow.

Are you crying?

 

[LainaGabranth]

If you have to use the word proooooooobably in your argument, then you have lost the debate. I don't care about your feelings. There is no way you can prove your first paragaraph and your second paragraph is assuming a belief system on me. Didn't I just get yelled at for doing that to somebody earlier and here you are doing it to me. Wow.

Not an argument. Cope harder.

 

[The Catboy]

If you have to use the word proooooooobably in your argument, then you have lost the debate. I don't care about your feelings. There is no way you can prove your first paragaraph and your second paragraph is assuming a belief system on me. Didn't I just get yelled at for doing that to somebody earlier and here you are doing it to me. Wow.

Please touch some grass and stay away from women. Actually, get some therapy.