The escalation of the Israel-Palestine conflict

[Foxi4]

Bill Clinton was impeached for less

Bill Clinton was impeached for perjury before a grand jury which is a felony punishable by fine and/or imprisonment for up to 5 years under 18 U.S. Code § 1621.

can't believe i need to read this political shit here too.

Hamas themselves said that 50 people that was killed belong to their group. they are terrorist that put guns on little children and force them to go to the border. hamas hide behind helpless people. leader Hamas himself said that they not doing harmless protests. they want to hurt us as much as possible. israel doing what every country will do in their situation. protecting themselves.
It's either them or us.
when they protest they shooting on us and puting improvised explosive devices near to the fence. they using their own pepole as a shield.
they have so many other country's to go to. we have only one small country. and this country is more free and democratic than any other muslim country in the world.
90% of the money we and the world send to gaza is going to hamas. and instead of using the money to make the life of the poor pepole in gaza better they buying wepons, bombs and missiles.
you all relying on what you hear in the news.
i live there and i was in the army and now my brother is in the army and i know some things that they won't tell you in the news.
for example did you know that Israel tried number of times to deliver Humanitarian aid to gaza but hamas didnt let them pass. other example: one poor palestinian came to the fence and said to our soldiers that hamas want pay him unless they shoot him in the legs. they didnt do it. there are many more examples you not going to hear. one final thing. if protests really was harmless we wouldn't kill a single person.

On that last part, I did mention that HAMAS is paying civilians for becoming meat shields, but I posted the wrong figures - it's actually $200 for an injury, $500 for grievous injury and $3000 for death (paid out to the "martyr's" family, of course), significantly more than I originally thought. Israeli soldiers were instructed not to shoot to kill and were ordered to incapacitate attackers unless lethal force is absolutely necessary, so people are running at the border fence, getting shot in the leg, as most of the wounded were (to my knowledge) and then they're heading straight to the authorities to get their juicy check, and they will continue to do so because over there $200-$500 is a whole lot of money. It's truly disgusting. Speaking of casualties, remember that 8 month old child that, as we were told, died due to deployment of tear gas? The child shouldn't have been there in the first place, but besides that, as it turns out, she actually died due to a pre-existing medical condition, according to a statement by a Gazan doctor who examined her. All a lie to pin the death of a toddler on Israel, but now the photo's already out there, so the damage is done - everyone thinks IDF kill kids on purpose even though it's a complete falsehood.

 

[matthi321]

what a shithole

 

[Taleweaver]

Okay...this thread is becoming pretty long. As I hoped, I got some replies from different sides. I'm not going to comment on everything (just the direct quotes on my behalf), but that isn't because I'm not interested. I do know that true objectivity is hard to come by, and even though I don't like hearing some things, it wouldn't be fair to dismiss it...

Ok that's as far as I got.

I added the quotations because I wasn't familiar with the organisation. Since they (apparently?) offend you, I removed them. But if such a trivial thing sets you off, I don't think you'd want to continue reading in the first place.

This is what you get when you only read about the subject on Liberal news sites. Why not trying to educate yourself from others sources too? Don't take one groups word on it or what you learned in grade school (as they have implemented various tactics in the past 30 years to indoctrinate children into their party). College is a good resource, make sure to read Republican sites too and try out community focused stuff like Wikipedia. My Sisters husband is Jewish and he is also a democrat, but he will go on and on about how Obama and Clinton screwed things up more and more. See, normal democrats have their own minds, but Liberals are just sheep (same for Alt-Right whereas normal Republicans aren't so extreme, but don't let CNN tell you that.)

I haven't forgotten last time I attempted reasoning with you. Next time you ignore what I say, I'll return the courtesy and put you on my ignore list.

 

[lolboy]

i live there and i was in the army and now my brother is in the army and i know some things that they won't tell you in the news.

Me:
Everyone no need to seek the truth anymore! Some guy on gbatemp says he was in the army and he knows everything! If that is not convenient for you then wait there is more! His brother is also in the army!

Random guy:
Really? What did he say about killing of the innocent?

Me:
He said that there are no innocent people. All the people that were killed by snipers were carrying explosive devices and Hamas forced them!

Random guy:
Wait what? Saddam and Al-qaeda had a baby and he is now raised by Hamas? We need to invade now!

 

[Foxi4]

Me:
Everyone no need to seek the truth anymore! Some guy on gbatemp says he was in the army and he knows everything! If that is not convenient for you then wait there is more! His brother is also in the army!

Random guy:
Really? What did he say about killing of the innocent?

Me:
He said that there are no innocent people. All the people that were killed by snipers were carrying explosive devices and Hamas forced them!

Random guy:
Wait what? Saddam and Al-qaeda had a baby and he is now raised by Hamas? We need to invade now!

You do realise that HAMAS themselves announced this, right? A high-ranking official said during an interview that among the casualties of the recent clash they've identified 50 HAMAS militants. They weren't innocent, they were Palestinian operatives. You don't have to "believe a guy on GBATemp", HAMAS themselves are telling you that this is the case. You can choose to be willfully ignorant, but don't double down on stupid - it's a bad look.

 

[lolboy]

You do realise that HAMAS themselves announced this, right? A high-ranking official said during an interview that among the casualties of the recent clash they've identified 50 HAMAS militants. They weren't innocent, they were Palestinian operatives. You don't have to "believe a guy on GBATemp", HAMAS themselves are telling you that this is the case. You can choose to be willfully ignorant, but don't double down on stupid - it's a bad look.

Dude...I get it. You like to defend Israel.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Bill Clinton was impeached for perjury before a grand jury which is a felony punishable by fine and/or imprisonment for up to 5 years under 18 U.S. Code § 1621.

I'm fully aware of the reason he was impeached. I'm also fairly confident in stating that Trump were in court right now, we'd have a similar statement in the Stormy Daniels front. Quite frankly I'm interested as to what he'd say under oath because there are a lot of things regarding ties to various entities that he's said in the past that he's either flip-flopped on or been proven to be lying about

 

[Foxi4]

I'm fully aware of the reason he was impeached. I'm also fairly confident in stating that Trump were in court right now, we'd have a similar statement in the Stormy Daniels front. Quite frankly I'm interested as to what he'd say under oath because there are a lot of things regarding ties to various entities that he's said in the past that he's either flip-flopped on or been proven to be lying about

He doesn't have to testify, and neither did Bill. Bill's biggest mistake was volunteering to testify and not pleading the fifth. A sitting president is not obligated to testify about their private matters, they are however obligated to tell the truth under oath. It is not illegal to fuck porn stars, it is illegal to lie before Congress. That, and Bill was a much bigger sleazebag than Trump - in many cases consent was... shall we say, "questionable". If he was a President today, he wouldn't just be impeached, #metoo would hang him. People have short memories.

 

[Xzi]

Bill Clinton was impeached for perjury before a grand jury which is a felony punishable by fine and/or imprisonment for up to 5 years under 18 U.S. Code § 1621.

If Trump ever goes under oath, he'll perjure himself ten times in ten seconds. It's why the whole "I want to interview with Mueller" schtick is disingenuous bullshit.

That, and Bill was a much bigger sleazebag than Trump - in many cases consent was... shall we say, "questionable".

Rofl, Trump's talked about fucking his own daughter and constantly makes sexual remarks about underaged girls. It doesn't get any more sleazebag than that. Here's Bill Gates' comments from just yesterday, discussing how creeped out he was about Trump knowing so much about his daughter, her appearance in particular:

http://time.com/5282132/bill-gates-donald-trump-daughter/

If Clinton was a playboy, Trump is a fucking pedo. Just another one of those "quirks" that his mostly-degenerate fanbase eats up about him. And questionable consent? "Grab her by the pussy" was not a Bill Clinton line, that much I can assure you.

 

[Foxi4]

If Trump ever goes under oath, he'll perjure himself ten times in ten seconds. It's why the whole "I want to interview with Mueller" schtick is disingenuous bullshit.


Rofl, Trump's talked about fucking his own daughter and constantly makes sexual remarks about underaged girls. It doesn't get any more sleazebag than that. Here's Bill Gates' comments from just yesterday, discussing how creeped out he was about Trump knowing so much about his daughter, her appearance in particular:

http://time.com/5282132/bill-gates-donald-trump-daughter/

If Clinton was a playboy, Trump is a fucking pedo. Just another one of those "quirks" that his mostly-degenerate fanbase eats up about him. And questionable consent? "Grab her by the pussy" was not a Bill Clinton line, that much I can assure you.

Mueller has already conceded that he's not going to push for an indictment and Trump can't be subponead, it's over. Even deposing him on mental health grounds as you suggest is impossible provided you know how the process actually works. Trump could be a genuine basket case wearing clown clothing to work and talking in tongues and you're still not going to get a Senate majority to approve Section IV, so he'd effectively get a 21-day vacation. Abandon hope. As for Bill, he's about as close as you can get to a rapist, but you're welcome to have a different opinion on Bill "Weinstein" Clinton.

 

[Xzi]

Mueller has already conceded that he's not going to push for an indictment and Trump can't be subponead, it's over.

I've only heard this from clearly fake right-wing sources like Giuliani. Mueller's team doesn't make a bunch of public statements, they stay professional.

As for Bill, he's about as close as you can get to a rapist, but you're welcome to have a different opinion on Bill "Weinstein" Clinton.

I don't defend Clinton's actions, it's just ridiculous that you refuse to acknowledge how much worse Trump's actions have been. Both Bill and Donald are known associates of Harvey Epstein.

 

[Foxi4]

I've only heard this from clearly fake right-wing sources like Giuliani. Mueller's team doesn't make a bunch of public statements, they stay professional.

I don't defend Clinton's actions, it's just ridiculous that you refuse to acknowledge how much worse Trump's actions have been. Both Bill and Donald are known associates of Harvey Epstein.

His team doesn't make any statements because they have nothing on the Donald. As for Epstein, he's not in charge of where Bill puts his penis. Like I said before, Trump is a package deal with the pussy already priced in, Clinton lied in front of Congress that he was clean when in fact, he was covered in effluvia. As it stands, one of them is a criminal, the other one is the sitting president of the U.S.

 

[the_randomizer]

Dude...I get it. You like to defend Israel.

As I recall, supporting a particular country isn't a criminal offense. And speaking of crimes, collusion with Russia isn't technically illegal, either. So there's that. Israel is the only US ally in the middle east.

As far as I can tell, MS-13 and Hamas can all burn in hell for all I care.

 

[Xzi]

His team doesn't make any statements because they have nothing on the Donald.

The fact that you or anyone calls him "the" Donald is a real testament to their level of impartiality on his guilt. US-based banks have refused to loan to Trump for the longest time because he welches on all his debts. Before Trump even thought about running for president he was getting his money from "elsewhere." You have to be shitting me if you think an independent investigation looking closely into all of Trump's finances won't find anything illegal. They've got fucking everything Cohen had, and he's definitely going down for a lot of it. None of it tying back to Trump, however? Very unlikely.

Like I said before, Trump is a package deal with the pussy already priced in, Clinton lied in front of Congress that he was clean when in fact, he was covered in effluvia.

Still ignoring the porn star hush payoff during the election period, but okay. You justify hypocrisy however you like.

 

[Foxi4]

The fact that you or anyone calls him "the" Donald is a real testament to their level of impartiality on his guilt. US-based banks have refused to loan to Trump for the longest time because he welches on all his debts. Before Trump even thought about running for president he was getting his money from "elsewhere." You have to be shitting me if you think an independent investigation looking closely into all of Trump's finances won't find anything illegal. They've got fucking everything Cohen had, and he's definitely going down for a lot of it. None of it tying back to Trump, however? Very unlikely.


Still ignoring the porn star hush payoff during the election period, but okay. You justify hypocrisy however you like.

You do realise that payments made to Michael Cohen implicate Michael Cohen, not Trump, right? Assuming that we are in the conspiracy theory reality you want to live in, this still isn't a problem for the POTUS. As of today no evidence presented implicates the president in any way, criminal or otherwise. You talk the big game, but you don't seem to be familiar with all the laws you're referring to. Michael Cohen can be hired by any company at any time, he's not Trump's slave and he wasn't a part of the campaign effort. What you're desperately clinging to is the "donation in kind" regulation, this does not wash when the payment is, number one, unrelated to Trump, and number to, not a donation towards the campaign. This does not violate campaign finance law. You know what does? Hilary's slush fund. It's funny how donations from Saudi Arabia dried up when she lost the race, look like the Saudis aren't that interested in charity. The investigation is a fool's errand and Mueller knows this, the DOJ will have to hand over documentation to the congressional committee and the whole deal will be promptly closed shut in due time.

I do have a question though - if it turns out that Trump is indeed completely innocent in all this and the two-year investigation ends with no impropriety found, will you change your tune about Trump? Based on your rhetoric I think you just hate the man more than anything else and you got bit by the collusion bug, you see it everywhere and you'll never stop. You have Trump Derangement Syndrome big time and it's affecting your ability to reason.

 

[deinonychus71]

Don't forget that Europe gets royally screwed by Trump's decision... cause many European companies were trading with Iran (for oil, mainly, but not only) and the price of oil is/will skyrocket again, mainly affecting Europe. Any company doing business with Iran know (in dollars, which is the international currency anyway) is in trouble, and can potentially kicked out of the american market.
So it could have to do with Trump trying to mess up with Germany again, it wouldn't be the first time.

 

[Xzi]

As of today no evidence presented implicates the president in any way, criminal or otherwise.

Of course not, Trump is the big fish. Going after him first would make Mueller and his team look like idiots. They're flipping one person at a time on the way up to Trump, with 23 indictments so far.

I do have a question though - if it turns out that Trump is indeed completely innocent in all this and the two-year investigation ends with no impropriety found, will you change your tune about Trump? Based on your rhetoric I think you just hate the man more than anything else and you got bit by the collusion bug, you see it everywhere and you'll never stop.

I do hate Trump, yes. Not only as a sleazeball lying politician, but just as a man in general. He was born into wealth and has never done an honest day's work in his life. Once daddy's money was frittered away on bankrupt casinos and the like, he became a conman to pay the bills. Yet he has the gall to call anybody else lazy and dishonest.

Even minus the Mueller investigation, Trump has emoluments scandals, pay to play scandals, over 20 women accusing him of sexual assault, and more. Trump's swamp is spilling into other nearby states at this point.

 

[Foxi4]

Of course not, Trump is the big fish. Going after him first would make Mueller and his team look like idiots. They're flipping one person at a time on the way up to Trump, with 23 indictments so far.


I do hate Trump, yes. Not only as a sleazeball lying politician, but just as a man in general. He was born into wealth and has never done an honest day's work in his life. Once daddy's money was frittered away on bankrupt casinos and the like, he became a conman to pay the bills. Yet he has the gall to call anybody else lazy and dishonest.

Even minus the Mueller investigation, Trump has emoluments scandals, pay to play scandals, over 20 women accusing him of sexual assault, and more. Trump's swamp is spilling into other nearby states at this point.

There's a couple billion dollars in his account that indicate he's smarter and more hard-working than most of us, but that's okay. Like I said, everything is priced in and once this fake controversy finally blows over Trump can issue pardons to anyone who was unjustly persecuted against by the investigation team, most notably General Flynn who was doing his job, could legally meet with Kislyak and was caught in the good 'ol perjury trap for unnecessarily hiding his completely legitimate meeting. Still no evidence of collusion and we're 2 years in, but you can live the dream if you want - I'm done with the subject, I just wanted you to admit your bias. We can return to the subject at hand, which is the invasion of Israel's border.

 

[Xzi]

There's a couple billion dollars in his account that indicate he's smarter and more hard-working than most of us, but that's okay.

That's not how money works, and I'm sure you know that. Otherwise fast food workers would be the richest people in America given the amount of product they pump out per hour.

Still no evidence of collusion and we're 2 years in

The US Senate and every single US intelligence agency disagree. There's no evidence that corrupt Republicans are going to do anything about it, but we'll see how well that has worked out for them come November.

 

[Foxi4]

That's not how money works, and I'm sure you know that. Otherwise fast food workers would be the richest people in America given the amount of product they pump out per hour.


The US Senate and every single US intelligence agency disagree. There's no evidence that corrupt Republicans are going to do anything about it, but we'll see how well that has worked out for them come November.

Don't worry, we can revisit this conversation when Trump's America Season 2 starts.