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Either you are a terrible liar, or you have a terrible memory.

The nights after Trump was elected:




Trump's Inauguration:


And that's just been around Election Time. Portland for example has been a warzone for over 5 years now.

Then there was the George Floyd riots, where people attacked the White House itself:




The Swamp's goal for all of this violence was to try to force Trump to use the military against the rioters - hoping it would create a massacre. Then they would use that massacre to accuse Trump of being a dictator.

As for the Democratic *Party* - well, they put all their hopes on Special Counsel Robert Mueller to arrest Trump for "Russian Collusion", claiming that "Russian Collusion" rigged the election for Trump.
Mueller's findings: Trump exonerated of any and all wrongdoing. No arrest.
After that, the Dems tried to impeach him despite there being no evidence of Trump committing any crimes.
They wanted Trump arrested and removed not because he committed any crime (which has been proven over and over again he did not), but because they wanted him gone by any means necessary.

(PS to others: The arguing over WW2 and the atom bombs is distracting. We should stay on-topic.)

Nobody seriously tried to overturn the 2016 election. Don't confuse trying to overturn an election with justified criticisms of Trump and the Electoral College system (Clinton won the popular vote against Trump). The Republican Party literally tried to change the results of an election they didn't like. The Democratic Party has never done anything comparable.

The Mueller report didn't exonerate Trump. Quite the opposite. It laid out all the ways in which he demonstrably obstructed justice. There was also no counterintelligence investigation as a part of the Mueller investigation, which is a significant part of the story to be left out.

There is plenty of evidence for the things Trump was impeached for, and bipartisan majorities voted to convict him on the second impeachment. Regarding both impeachments, many Republican senators who voted to acquit did so acknowledging that Trump was actually guilty but that it wasn't worth conviction. Regarding the second impeachment specifically, many Republican senators acknowledged and condemned Trump's actions leading up to and on January 6, but they voted to acquit solely because he wasn't president anymore.

It should go without saying, but the BLM protests, in addition to being 96-98% peaceful and having a central cause that's noble unlike trying to overturn a democratic election, have nothing to do with this conversation.
 

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There are genetic traits that were more successful in certain parts of the world though.
Like sickle cell anemia, which protects you from malaria.
yeah but that's not enough to classify humans into races.

Biologically speaking, race mixing can hav very detrimental results, just look at dogs with multiple breeds and how they have all sorts of problems. This doesn't happen with humans, the result of a white human breeding with a black human is another perfectly normal human being.

Also, biologically speaking, the manifestation of racial traits implies such race is indeed the one you'd observe genetically, but this again doesn't happen with humans, you can have extremely black people who happen to be genetically european, or white people who happen to be genetically african. You can look like one race, but be genetically built like another.

This is because there's no such thing as human races, we only have one race, and lots of different genetic makeup that may or may not determine how we look like depending on which genes are dominant and which aren't.
 

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  • The Democratic Party didn't try to overturn an election they didn't like, with or without violence.
  • Fascism is a far-right and authoritarian ideology (i.e. Trump). I'm far-left and pro-democracy. By no definition am I a fascist.
  • Name one group I'm bigoted against. The right-wing nutjobs in the US who are prejudiced against people of color, LGBT people, etc. are the bigots. By no definition am I a bigot.
  • I never said any party was "pure" or "free from corruption." However, the corruption on the right far exceeds the corruption on the left. The former president was demonstrably one of the most corrupt presidents we've ever had.
  • The former president is infamous for being one of the biggest liars in American history.
  • If you dig deep enough, you can find plenty of criticisms of Hillary Clinton's foreign policy by me on this forum. That doesn't change the fact that the Democratic Party is by far less hawkish than the Republican Party. I'm wondering if you have a point.
With respect, you sound ridiculous.
- No they don't need to overthrow an election, they just steal it with fake mail-in ballots, like the ones my cuban family received despite not being citizens.

- Fascism is not right-wing or left-wing, classifying fascism as right-wing when Mussilini himself used Lenin's 1917 revolution as an example of fascism, stupidity much?. Someone uses words without knowing what they mean...
Anyhow, Mussolini, the father of fascism and a well known radical socialist, would be very happy to see that you are one of his most advanced students.

- Anyone who is right-wing, conservative or christian. You literally go around saying that everyone in these groups must be eliminated from society, and you use false flag attacks and accuse them of violence (where there's none) to justify this extermination. Exactly like Hitler did to get rid of his opposition.

- That's not objectively true. Unless you have a list of every lie ever said by every president, in which case you'd find yourself having to point fingers in your direction too. Now I'm not saying Trump never lied, I'm not a cultist like you who would suck it up to a politician, that's just sad. But you can't say "this is the most lying president ever" and be taken seriously with such a childish statement. Also we all know how much the left hates the truth, you've already lied a few times in this thread and you keep lying despite people calling you out on your bullshit. You guys can't even stand basic truths such as the fact that only women can get pregnant, and you dare call the other side liers? You manipulate information and change history and definitions to fit your truthless ideals. You even behave like Grade A fascists while calling others fascists, which is exactly what the fascists (Hitler and Mussolini) did to gain power.

- The democratic party held power for 8 years after that piece of shit Bush fucked shit up in the middle east. What did you guys do to fix the issue? Oh right, bomb the hell out of them. More drone strikes were issues by Obama than any republican president, but hey they gave him the Nobel Peace Prize (they gave it to Hitler too though...).
Then came in Trump with historical paece treaties between Isreal and Saudi Arabia, and historical peace treaties between North and South Korea. What is Biden doing with that again? Oh right, there's bombings in Gaza again, and there's also bombings in the Korean border again.

With respect, you sound like an iliteraly braindead amoeba.
 

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'[...]

Drawing on the Variety of Democracies (V-Dem) data set, published by an independent research institute in Sweden that covers 202 countries and goes back more than two centuries, its authors assess to what degree each country suffers from “pernicious” levels of partisan polarization. Do their citizens have such hostile views of opponents that they’re willing to act in ways that put democracy itself at risk?

The authors’ conclusion is startling: No established democracy in recent history has been as deeply polarized as the U.S. “For the United States,” Jennifer McCoy, the lead author of the study and a political-science professor at Georgia State University, told me in an interview, “I am very pessimistic.”

On virtually every continent, supporters of rival political camps are more likely to interact in hostile ways than they did a few decades ago. According to the Carnegie study, “us versus them polarization” has been increasing since 2005. McCoy and her colleagues don’t try to explain the causes, though the rise of social media is obviously a contributing factor.

[...]

Among countries whose political institutions have been relatively stable, the pace and extent of American polarization is an eye-popping outlier. “Very few countries classified as full liberal democracies have ever reached pernicious levels,” the study’s authors write. “The United States stands out today as the only wealthy Western democracy with persistent levels of pernicious polarization.” When I spoke by phone with McCoy, she was even more categorical: “The situation of the United States is unique.”

To live in a country where political disagreements turn into personal vendettas is no fun, but a growing body of research reveals more systemic effects. Pernicious polarization makes good-faith efforts to tackle social problems such as public-health crises harder and bad-faith efforts to turn them into political gain easier. At worst, an erosion of trust in democratic norms and political institutions can end up as political violence and civil war.

[...]

Unfortunately, the data in the Carnegie study do not offer much cause for optimism. About half of the time a country experienced serious polarization since 1900, mutual distrust and hatred turned into a permanent condition. Although political tensions waxed and waned, these countries never fell below the level of pernicious polarization for any extended period. And many countries never recovered. Once pernicious polarization has set in, it stays.

[...]

The fundamental premise of democracy is that citizens agree to be ruled by whoever wins an election. But if many citizens come to believe that letting the other side rule poses a threat to their well-being, even their lives, they may no longer be willing to accept the outcome of an election they lose. This makes it easier for demagogues to attract fervent supporters, and even to turn them against a country’s political institutions. The January 6, 2021, assault on the Capitol is just such a symptom of the malaise.

[...]

In many of the countries that have experienced pernicious polarization, partisan political identity aligns almost perfectly with visible markers of ethnic or religious identity. In Lebanon and Kenya, for example, it is enough to see or hear a person’s name to know which way they’re likely to vote. When polarization spikes in these places, supporters and opponents of a political candidate don’t just yell at each other; they withdraw from all social cooperation, and their animosity grows vengeful and deadly.

[...]

Soothsayers of doom are in demand for a reason. American partisan polarization has, without a doubt, reached a perilous level. But America’s comparative competence at managing its ethnic and religious diversity, which has so far ensured that partisan political identities do not neatly map onto demographic ones, could be a saving grace.

We urgently need visionary leaders and institutional reforms that can lower the stakes of political competition. Imagining what a depolarization of American politics would look like is not too difficult. The only problem is that America’s political partisans may already hate one another too much to take the steps necessary to avoid catastrophe.'

-Yascha Mounk

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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...crat-republican-partisan-polarization/629925/
Corruption has just fucked up everything. Now I'm not saying its on one side, it's everywhere. but, it has gotten much much worse in the past 8 or so years.
 

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That's interesting, since it is rather antiquated. Why do you think they are choosing to use this term? Do they get this from pundits? Is it something they use because they don't feel at liberty to say another term they truely mean or is this organic?

They wouldn't be categorised as gay if they loved eachother in a platonic way.

LGBT+ are quite explicitly about hedonistic sexual practice or identity, without this connection not much would be left.

I think it goes much deeper than that. The european people of the world will cease to exist in any recognizeable way if their biospheres get repurposed as a breeding ground for the whole world population to breed in.

How is it just if all european peoples countries are taken from them for this project. They have never voted for this.

How do you think would this improve the situation?

Yes, the central value should be the labour of the people.

That's coming to an end anyway.

Would you allow for freedom of association for states?

I would argue that the 'diversity is our strengh' agenda is meant for this but in a different way. You can't just overcome race as if it is not a natural reality. So uniting on those grounds must happen yes, but I think there are limits how far this can go.

I see your point. Do you believe BLM is a organic movement or one instructed by globalist plutocrats?

Does Mexico allow for immigration like the USA does?

Yes. Even if they don't exploit them, they function to put more pressure on wages. It is a cyncial thing.

But if you have universal healthcare and let people from all around the world enter your country, you will attract people that will make you system collapse sooner or later.

No, not really. If you have around 10% of a populus that is determined and united to overthrow the system, it's pretty much over. The way these people can disrupt the system you can't get under control by any means. The local police, will they be motivated to act when confronted with such a scenario? Same goes for national guard and military. This are not some robots you can program to do any job.

It doesn't matter when the ruling class does whatever it wants regardless of which party is selected. It is just a bigger smokescreen.

Maybe, but it would make very clear who is in charge and responsible. This was the downfall of the sowjet system.
A smaller federal government with limited power, as designed, would limit the government's interference in the markets. I'm not advocating for zero regulations but the government is literally picking winners and losers based on ideology. See for example, Solyndra.

The dollar needs to be put back on the gold standard. Putin just did this with the ruble and it is doing fantastic.
 

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Corruption has just fucked up everything. Now I'm not saying its on one side, it's everywhere. but, it has gotten much much worse in the past 8 or so years.
The corruption has always been here. We are just waking up to how far it really goes with more waking up every day.
 
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And this here is the problem, and why we will never see a solution.

As long as we have political cultists like Lacius, completely incapable of seeing the crap of his own party, the US will continue its decline.

Because nothing screems democracy more than saying "lets ban all political parties and ideologies except mine, cause everyone else, except me, is radical and extremist".

I hope you do know that this is exactly how Hitler rose to power, by telling everyone that the others were violent and radical and that they should be banned from politics.

Hitler eventually did what you ask for Lacius, he banned the other political parties because of people like you who gave him the Nobel Peace Prize and clapped like seals when he said that the Jews were oppressing the poor German workers.

So yeah good idea Lacius, lets have the same exact fucking discourse and MO as Hitler did to get to power, that's definitely not authoritarian.
Zelenskyy just banned every opposition party in Ukraine and the left still cheers him. There is not a single authoritarian that a leftist does not love.
 

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- No they don't need to overthrow an election, they just steal it with fake mail-in ballots, like the ones my cuban family received despite not being citizens.
There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election. Among the few instances of fraud that were found, many of them were for Trump.

- Fascism is not right-wing or left-wing
Fascism is, by definition, a "far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

- Anyone who is right-wing, conservative or christian. You literally go around saying that everyone in these groups must be eliminated from society
I've never said anything like this, nor do I believe it.

- That's not objectively true. Unless you have a list of every lie ever said by every president, in which case you'd find yourself having to point fingers in your direction too. Now I'm not saying Trump never lied, I'm not a cultist like you who would suck it up to a politician, that's just sad. But you can't say "this is the most lying president ever" and be taken seriously with such a childish statement. Also we all know how much the left hates the truth, you've already lied a few times in this thread and you keep lying despite people calling you out on your bullshit. You guys can't even stand basic truths such as the fact that only women can get pregnant, and you dare call the other side liers? You manipulate information and change history and definitions to fit your truthless ideals. You even behave like Grade A fascists while calling others fascists, which is exactly what the fascists (Hitler and Mussolini) did to gain power.
I said one of the biggest liars in American presidential history, which is demonstrably true.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...isleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/

- The democratic party held power for 8 years after that piece of shit Bush fucked shit up in the middle east. What did you guys do to fix the issue? Oh right, bomb the hell out of them. More drone strikes were issues by Obama than any republican president, but hey they gave him the Nobel Peace Prize (they gave it to Hitler too though...).
Then came in Trump with historical paece treaties between Isreal and Saudi Arabia, and historical peace treaties between North and South Korea. What is Biden doing with that again? Oh right, there's bombings in Gaza again, and there's also bombings in the Korean border again.
With respect, you sound like an iliteraly braindead amoeba.
What kind of braindead amoeba? Lol.
 

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at this rate i rather see the US being a colony again especially since UK politics are so much better since the 18th century (similar to Canada or Austrailia) have a PM that listens to the royals but keep most of the freedoms we have today we have failed as an independant republic and the english monarchy thiough evolved has stood strong since the dark ages
 

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Nobody seriously tried to overturn the 2016 election. Don't confuse trying to overturn an election with justified criticisms of Trump and the Electoral College system (Clinton won the popular vote against Trump). The Republican Party literally tried to change the results of an election they didn't like. The Democratic Party has never done anything comparable.

The Mueller report didn't exonerate Trump. Quite the opposite. It laid out all the ways in which he demonstrably obstructed justice. There was also no counterintelligence investigation as a part of the Mueller investigation, which is a significant part of the story to be left out.

There is plenty of evidence for the things Trump was impeached for, and bipartisan majorities voted to convict him on the second impeachment. Regarding both impeachments, many Republican senators who voted to acquit did so acknowledging that Trump was actually guilty but that it wasn't worth conviction. Regarding the second impeachment specifically, many Republican senators acknowledged and condemned Trump's actions leading up to and on January 6, but they voted to acquit solely because he wasn't president anymore.

It should go without saying, but the BLM protests, in addition to being 96-98% peaceful and having a central cause that's noble unlike trying to overturn a democratic election, have nothing to do with this conversation.
Rachel Maddow, is that you?
 

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There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election. Among the few instances of fraud that were found, many of them were for Trump.


Fascism is, by definition, a "far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism


I've never said anything like this, nor do I believe it.


I said one of the biggest liars in American presidential history, which is demonstrably true.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...isleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/



What kind of braindead amoeba? Lol.
I'm going to enjoy watching you people be blindsided when states start recalling their electors.

Wikipedia just changed the definition of recession and locked the page. The CDC was caught changing the definition of vaccine. And the left can't even define a woman anymore. Weird how the left is always changing the definitions of words to suit the narrative.

Using WaPo as a source? Do you know how many ex-CIA and ex-FBI employees work there? :rofl2:
 

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I'm going to enjoy watching you people be blindsided when states start recalling their electors.

Wikipedia just changed the definition of recession and locked the page. The CDC was caught changing the definition of vaccine. And the left can't even define a woman anymore. Weird how the left is always changing the definitions of words to suit the narrative.

Using WaPo as a source? Do you know how many ex-CIA and ex-FBI employees work there? :rofl2:
Bad news, I saw an "article" saying that "fact checkers" say Wisconsin can't recall their electors.

That was literally all it said as a news item. Someone's getting desperate. :rofl2:
 

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Bad news, you are no longer left-wing enough for liberals.

Here's your deplorables t-shirt. Beer and cookies are on the snack table.
Thanks for the warm welcome and invitation. Can we combine left social positions with right wing statehood?
 

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Thanks for the warm welcome and invitation. Can we combine left social positions with right wing statehood?
Sure we can go for a small stream-lined Federal government and states can enact whatever social positions they want within their borders. But they shouldn't be financing and influencing the elections in other states pushing their views. That's for the citizens of each state to decide.

To change people's minds you need to attend the monthly meetups where we all shoot targets at the gun range and then finish off the day eating lots of tasty BBQ meats and drinking beer and we argue our viewpoints with one another.
 
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Sure we can go for a small stream-lined Federal government and states can enact whatever social positions they want within their borders. But they shouldn't be financing and influencing the elections in other states pushing their views. That's for the citizens of each state to decide.

To change people's minds you need to attend the monthly meetups where we all shoot targets at the gun range and then finish off the day eating lots of tasty BBQ meats and drinking beer and we argue our viewpoints with one another.
Would you allow for freedom of association?
 

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USA just provoked China, no one really knows what the goals are. This was made under Democrat government witch, in theory, is the least lunatic side of US politics.

So I don't know where is this division, if both sides are highly aggressive and don't care if tomorrow will be a nuclear tomorrow.

Maybe the division is poor and rich, or minorities and white, but I'm sure now that Democrats and Republicans are exactly the same thing.
 

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And thus my point is proven.
What point? I don't believe I was replying to you.

Riots aren't the same as a coup,
So you are okay with your side causing violence, as long as - and since it's - "not a coup"?

injustice isn't the same as insurrection,
Are you claiming that injustice is better than "insurrection"? Do you actually want injustice?
Or if you are actually against injustice, do you believe it is "just" to burn down or vandalize the neighborhoods of innocent people in response to political issues?



and the far left is not the same as the far right.
How so? What does this mean?
Who exactly is "far left" or "far right"? What if someone is neither?
Or is it whichever side you are on are "the good guys" and anyone who disagrees with you are "the bad guys"?

It even ends with "Skip the pointing out of Nazi apologetics, lets get back to center." Golden.
Oh, now it makes sense.
You just wanted to have the thread go off-topic, and me calling it out made you mad.
 
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