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Libertarian94

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I also don't want the space program to be cut either. And wasn't Obama talking about defense cuts? Well, that won't make us vulnerable at all. I basically did a process of elimination.
Paul: isolationist with some bad ideas
Santorum: not enough experience
Gingrich: not far enough ahead in the polls (both America's and GBAtemp's)
Obama: wants to make america communist or dictatorship.
Romney is the last one standing.

Romney: Flip-flopper who does not know if he's for or against abortion, and the one who created the blueprint for Obamacare :) .

And Paul's idea is not isolationism, He wants to trade with countries and be friends with countries, he does not however want to interviene in countries and tell them how they're supposed to live :) .
Yeah, Paul wants to trade free market slave labor goods for shiny gold. I sure do love all my Chinese shit. God bless leaders like Ron Paul. Just let the slave children bodies pile up to the sky, and we can sled down them with products made from the next wave of slave kids

If you send money to china, they don't put it in a shoebox.
They're going to spend it.
Unfortunately they are buying america's debt and consumerism.
But there's a benefit, because those dollars come back.
Also, when you get products, and buy products cheaper from China.
Lets say a computer costs 100 dollars instead of 1000 dollars.
A person would then spare 900 dollars, and that helps the economy, because the last 900 dollars stays in that persons pocket.
Exactly, that's some good ol' fashioned slave labor. As long as it helps out the USA, those Chinese can tough out the lax workplace regulations, etc. It's all about the American dream. I wonder if I should threaten suicide to get a raise, like when those Chinese Foxxconn workers threatened mass suicide to improve work conditions. I mean, it's only fair, right ? That's free trade.

Well, If you don't like it, you can reject supporting it, by not buying any products made in China.
But remember, by boycotting China, you aren't starving the dictators, but the poor workers that barely get anything for starters.
I don't like the way animals are treated in slaugtherhouses, so i don't eat meat, but i can't force my moral-beliefs down upon others.
 

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I also don't want the space program to be cut either. And wasn't Obama talking about defense cuts? Well, that won't make us vulnerable at all. I basically did a process of elimination.
Paul: isolationist with some bad ideas
Santorum: not enough experience
Gingrich: not far enough ahead in the polls (both America's and GBAtemp's)
Obama: wants to make america communist or dictatorship.
Romney is the last one standing.
I think I'll reply to this one in particular.

Paul: Proof of isolationism? Removing the military threat we have on the world is not isolationism. Check out his anti-war ad, and pay attention to his point when he starts saying he's not an isolationist.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=tjK0YNBBTaQ

Santorum: Really. This is his flaw. This is what's holding you back from voting for him.

What about his support of Christian ideology becoming law? His anti-intellectualism? His anti-China feelings? His jingoism? Basically, Santorum himself?

Gingrich: I really don't want to get into Gingrich.

Obama: [citation needed][critical thought required]

Romney: Flip-flopper. Dishonest. Unrepresentative of the people. Anti-intellectual (for the masses).
Yeah I really liked that video but his views on other issues killed him for me.
Obama it is for me.
 

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I also don't want the space program to be cut either. And wasn't Obama talking about defense cuts? Well, that won't make us vulnerable at all. I basically did a process of elimination.
Paul: isolationist with some bad ideas
Santorum: not enough experience
Gingrich: not far enough ahead in the polls (both America's and GBAtemp's)
Obama: wants to make america communist or dictatorship.
Romney is the last one standing.
What's wrong with all of you!!! Does anyone actually know what communism is?????? Obama is not even a liberal, he's a moderate. A goddamn moderate!!!!! I would like him soooooooo much more if he was actually a liberal.
Here you go NeoSupaMario
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
 

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My science teacher once got so pissed off when of his teacher friends who hes known for years called Obama socialist.
He pretty much destroyed all of the republican candidates as unprepared or just really really stupid.
 

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I also don't want the space program to be cut either.
You and me both, but other than Gingrich's silly "moon colony as the 51st state" business, I don't think you're going to find anyone willing to leave NASA alone during this "fix the deficit" period. And honestly, if the deficit is as big a problem as you say, you should be okay with sacrificing some space cuts.

And wasn't Obama talking about defense cuts? Well, that won't make us vulnerable at all.
The United States military is disgustingly big. Obama's cuts to defense are minimal. The federal government does three big things: medicare, social security, and defense. If you want to talk about trimming the deficit, you're going to have to cut defense, especially with it being as wasteful as it is. Even with Obama's proposed cuts, it is still disgustingly big. Don't feel vulnerable.

Paul: isolationist with some bad ideas
Santorum: not enough experience
Gingrich: not far enough ahead in the polls (both America's and GBAtemp's)
Obama: wants to make america communist or dictatorship.
Romney is the last one standing.
Let me amend that for you:

Paul: isolationist with some bad ideas some really bad ideas.

Santorum: not enough experience, wants to add trillions to the debt, and wants contraception to be illegal.

Gingrich: not far enough ahead in the polls, isn't electable, has ethics issues, wants to add trillions to the debt, and has crazy ideas such as child janitors and states on the moon.

Obama: wants to make america communist or dictatorship. Obama is not a dictator nor a communist. Please support those points if you want me to respond to them, because they're baseless and I don't know where to begin other than to say that he's just not.

Romney is the last one standing wants to add trillions to the debt, flip-flops on every major issue, doesn't sit well with most voters (most consider him out of touch), has a very low approval rating, conservatives might not like that he basically invented RomneyCare/ObamaCare, and doesn't care about the poor and thinks they're already well-off due to safety nets.
I'm sorry. I don't know what I was doing when I typed about Obama being a dictator... I don't really know where that came from. But from my perspective, it looks as if he wants everyone to be perfectly equal no matter what. Meaning that if one guy goes to work and works his ass off while another guy stays at home and just watches tv, they'll get paid the same wage. That's what I understand communism to be, and (no offense) I don't think that's fair. (assuming that both guys are equally strong and capable; it's a different case if the guy who didn't work was too old/young and/or crippled.)
 

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I also don't want the space program to be cut either.
You and me both, but other than Gingrich's silly "moon colony as the 51st state" business, I don't think you're going to find anyone willing to leave NASA alone during this "fix the deficit" period. And honestly, if the deficit is as big a problem as you say, you should be okay with sacrificing some space cuts.

And wasn't Obama talking about defense cuts? Well, that won't make us vulnerable at all.
The United States military is disgustingly big. Obama's cuts to defense are minimal. The federal government does three big things: medicare, social security, and defense. If you want to talk about trimming the deficit, you're going to have to cut defense, especially with it being as wasteful as it is. Even with Obama's proposed cuts, it is still disgustingly big. Don't feel vulnerable.

Paul: isolationist with some bad ideas
Santorum: not enough experience
Gingrich: not far enough ahead in the polls (both America's and GBAtemp's)
Obama: wants to make america communist or dictatorship.
Romney is the last one standing.
Let me amend that for you:

Paul: isolationist with some bad ideas some really bad ideas.

Santorum: not enough experience, wants to add trillions to the debt, and wants contraception to be illegal.

Gingrich: not far enough ahead in the polls, isn't electable, has ethics issues, wants to add trillions to the debt, and has crazy ideas such as child janitors and states on the moon.

Obama: wants to make america communist or dictatorship. Obama is not a dictator nor a communist. Please support those points if you want me to respond to them, because they're baseless and I don't know where to begin other than to say that he's just not.

Romney is the last one standing wants to add trillions to the debt, flip-flops on every major issue, doesn't sit well with most voters (most consider him out of touch), has a very low approval rating, conservatives might not like that he basically invented RomneyCare/ObamaCare, and doesn't care about the poor and thinks they're already well-off due to safety nets.
I'm sorry. I don't know what I was doing when I typed about Obama being a dictator... I don't really know where that came from. But from my perspective, it looks as if he wants everyone to be perfectly equal no matter what. Meaning that if one guy goes to work and works his ass off while another guy stays at home and just watches tv, they'll get paid the same wage. That's what I understand communism to be, and (no offense) I don't think that's fair. (assuming that both guys are equally strong and capable; it's a different case if the guy who didn't work was too old/young and/or crippled.)
That's not what he's for and that's not really communism.
 

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I also don't want the space program to be cut either. And wasn't Obama talking about defense cuts? Well, that won't make us vulnerable at all. I basically did a process of elimination.
Paul: isolationist with some bad ideas
Santorum: not enough experience
Gingrich: not far enough ahead in the polls (both America's and GBAtemp's)
Obama: wants to make america communist or dictatorship.
Romney is the last one standing.
What's wrong with all of you!!! Does anyone actually know what communism is?????? Obama is not even a liberal, he's a moderate. A goddamn moderate!!!!! I would like him soooooooo much more if he was actually a liberal.
Here you go NeoSupaMario
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

However, Obama have pushed for different types of legislation that might be seen as communist.
Look up the Cybersecurity act, that would give the white house control over the american internet.
Look up the NDAA bill, that allows the President to order the assasination of a U.S citizen WITHOUT trial.

That's total government control, which usually gets assosiated with communism :).
 

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I also don't want the space program to be cut either. And wasn't Obama talking about defense cuts? Well, that won't make us vulnerable at all. I basically did a process of elimination.
Paul: isolationist with some bad ideas
Santorum: not enough experience
Gingrich: not far enough ahead in the polls (both America's and GBAtemp's)
Obama: wants to make america communist or dictatorship.
Romney is the last one standing.
What's wrong with all of you!!! Does anyone actually know what communism is?????? Obama is not even a liberal, he's a moderate. A goddamn moderate!!!!! I would like him soooooooo much more if he was actually a liberal.
Here you go NeoSupaMario
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

However, Obama have pushed for different types of legislation that might be seen as communist.
Look up the Cybersecurity act, that would give the white house total control over the american internet.
Look up the NDAA bill, that allows the President to order the assasination of a U.S citizen WITHOUT trial.
It's these kinds of wack-o things that make me dislike obama.
P.S. Thanks for the backup, Libertarian94 :)
 

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I also don't want the space program to be cut either. And wasn't Obama talking about defense cuts? Well, that won't make us vulnerable at all. I basically did a process of elimination.
Paul: isolationist with some bad ideas
Santorum: not enough experience
Gingrich: not far enough ahead in the polls (both America's and GBAtemp's)
Obama: wants to make america communist or dictatorship.
Romney is the last one standing.
What's wrong with all of you!!! Does anyone actually know what communism is?????? Obama is not even a liberal, he's a moderate. A goddamn moderate!!!!! I would like him soooooooo much more if he was actually a liberal.
Here you go NeoSupaMario
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

However, Obama have pushed for different types of legislation that might be seen as communist.
Look up the Cybersecurity act, that would give the white house total control over the american internet.
Look up the NDAA bill, that allows the President to order the assasination of a U.S citizen WITHOUT trial.
It's these kinds of wack-o things that make me dislike obama.
Regardless he's still not a communist.
 

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I also don't want the space program to be cut either. And wasn't Obama talking about defense cuts? Well, that won't make us vulnerable at all. I basically did a process of elimination.
Paul: isolationist with some bad ideas
Santorum: not enough experience
Gingrich: not far enough ahead in the polls (both America's and GBAtemp's)
Obama: wants to make america communist or dictatorship.
Romney is the last one standing.
What's wrong with all of you!!! Does anyone actually know what communism is?????? Obama is not even a liberal, he's a moderate. A goddamn moderate!!!!! I would like him soooooooo much more if he was actually a liberal.
Here you go NeoSupaMario
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

However, Obama have pushed for different types of legislation that might be seen as communist.
Look up the Cybersecurity act, that would give the white house total control over the american internet.
Look up the NDAA bill, that allows the President to order the assasination of a U.S citizen WITHOUT trial.
It's these kinds of wack-o things that make me dislike obama.
P.S. Thanks for the backup, Libertarian94 :)
And yet you support Romney.
 

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I didn't mean that I thought he was a communist; I meant that I thought he was trying to change the government from a democratic system to a communist-TYPE system.
And I don't really support Romney, I just think he's second best to Gingrich.
 

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im not from the states, so i dont know what happened, BUT what happened to Sarah Palin. isn't she not in the running?
 

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I already said. He's trying to make everyone perfectly equal. For example: there are 2 guys with the same age and same capabilities. One goes to work and works his ass off. The other stays home and watches tv. They both get paid the same wage.
It's not as bad as that yet, but if Obama gets another 4 years to screw thongs up, I think it will happen.
EDIT: I was talking to smile72
 

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I already said. He's trying to make everyone perfectly equal. For example: there are 2 guys with the same age and same capabilities. One goes to work and works his ass off. The other stays home and watches tv. They both get paid the same wage.
It's not as bad as that yet, but if Obama gets another 4 years to screw things up, I think it will happen.
EDIT: I was talking to smile72

Yeah, that will never happen. That is completely delusional.
 

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I already said. He's trying to make everyone perfectly equal. For example: there are 2 guys with the same age and same capabilities. One goes to work and works his ass off. The other stays home and watches tv. They both get paid the same wage.
It's not as bad as that yet, but if Obama gets another 4 years to screw things up, I think it will happen.
EDIT: I was talking to smile72

Yeah, that will never happen. That is completely delusional.
It's just my opinion. You can disagree with it, but I am NOT dillousional.
 

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I also don't want the space program to be cut either. And wasn't Obama talking about defense cuts? Well, that won't make us vulnerable at all. I basically did a process of elimination.
Paul: isolationist with some bad ideas
Santorum: not enough experience
Gingrich: not far enough ahead in the polls (both America's and GBAtemp's)
Obama: wants to make america communist or dictatorship.
Romney is the last one standing.
What's wrong with all of you!!! Does anyone actually know what communism is?????? Obama is not even a liberal, he's a moderate. A goddamn moderate!!!!! I would like him soooooooo much more if he was actually a liberal.
Here you go NeoSupaMario
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

However, Obama have pushed for different types of legislation that might be seen as communist.
Look up the Cybersecurity act, that would give the white house total control over the american internet.
Look up the NDAA bill, that allows the President to order the assasination of a U.S citizen WITHOUT trial.
It's these kinds of wack-o things that make me dislike obama.
P.S. Thanks for the backup, Libertarian94 :)

Protip: The president didn't propose these laws. The REPUBLICAN Congress did. Although, the blame isn't totally theirs--because the Democrats also voted for these two types of laws.

The government, that is, Congress, wants control. Not the president. In fact, Obama did something fairly clever with the NDAA bill:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/03/1070450/--Obama-just-Vetoed-Indefinite-Military-Detention-in-NDAA?via=siderec

Excellent insight into why this move was smart from a commenter on reddit:

"Great. Obama resisted using a pointless veto which would have been overturned by Congress anyways and would have led to him being attacked for vetoing money to the troops.

Instead he used the threat of the veto to gut the bill of some of its worst provisions while also insuring that he would have greater leeway in enforcing other troubling provisions. Then he used this leeway to effectively nullify the troubling riders to the budget.

He has basically avoiding a needless political hissy fit over the defense budget while outmaneuvering Congress and defusing a policy bomb set by Republicans. This is why this man is president and the armchair politicians on Reddit are not.

EDIT: A post from Lawfare Blog on the matter: http://www.lawfareblog.com/2012/02/initial-comments-on-the-implementing-procedures-for-ndaa-section-1022/


Second EDIT:

The way I see it the president had 3 main options:

1) Veto the original bill. This would have led to a political pissing match over the defense budget and Congress would have likely overturned the veto and we would be stuck with a much worse bill. At best Obama would be able to negotiate a better version of the bill (which is what he actually did by threatening to veto.)

2) After winning his concessions he could have still vetoed the bill. This would understandably upset Congress and lead to a political bitch-fit and Congress may be so upset that they refuse to negotiate anymore and simply pass the original bill. At best Obama would have his concessions and a bill passed over his veto and would have weathered a needless political fight while damaging any remaining trust between the legislature and the executive.

3) What he did in actuality was win his concessions through the veto threat and then signed the bill with a signing statement. He then used the leeway in the bill to nullify many of the remaining trouble spots with minimal political fighting.

Basically the political system is pretty messed up but I believe Obama made the right decisions to ultimately prevent the worst riders to the budget being implented without a pointless political furor.

I know that some will say that even a symbolic veto would have been nice and that Obama should have done that. However as I implied in my second edit, I believe that a symbolic veto, although pleasing to many, would have quite likely done damage to the interest of improving actual policy."

 
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