Rumors are floating around they tried to get Kamala to do it which she replied "Your not pinning this shit on me", guess he didn't want to leave vacation.
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Rumors are floating around they tried to get Kamala to do it which she replied "Your not pinning this shit on me", guess he didn't want to leave vacation.
honestly ignore valwinz
all he seems to do is ignore everyones valid opinions with no counter arguments at all and just donowall you an post twitter posts on cooldown
Sure, now i must be cheering and jumping of happines and say welldone Biden, you did great sir. How can someone be happy when he gave the order to abandon the Aghan people? He left them to their mercy. He didn't even anounce it, he just left quietly.
He could've solved this in a more better way. So was he compassionate to all the people he left to be murdered? All the young girls that are at the mercy of luck? Even when his advisors told him not do keep going with the way he did? At least he should've planned it strategic, so that people would have enough time to leave. If you dont see the problem, then grab a flight to Kabul and see how "compassionate" Biden was to the poor Afghan people.
But i guess you are a hardcore Biden fan. This alone would've cost Trump his presidency, would things turned like what happened now. But yeah, sure Biden gets free pass.
The point is due to Biden failure lots of people will now be murderded, used as slaves and young girls married against their will, so does that calls compassionate in your book?
Again, this could been done differently.
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Imagine you’re a young girl in Afghanistan. The US tells you you can go to school, have dreams, go to college, pick a husband. You study and work for 20 years and then BAM…Orange Man Bad and you’re a government assigned concubine.
There is a difference between "making sure the correct person is blamed" and "congratulating someone for the outcome".
Do you not see that?
If two cars collide the person who's fault it is gets penalized, it's not valid for them to say "this isn't fair, you're congratulating them for having an accident."
If Trump came out and said that it was inevitable but US troops had to come home and he personally accepted the outcome, then I'd think he had some kind of humanity. But it's clear that he used Afghanistan as a pawn in his game to get back into the white house.
No I'm a hardcore fan of the truth and logical argument. Trump is not a fan of either. It is clear you are not either.
If all the illegal stuff Trump has done did not cost him the presidency, then what makes you think this would?
Trump obviously didn't think it a good idea to actually implement this during his presidency though.
No, that is not ok in my book. But Trump set the wheels in motion for that to happen, his plan was always that the Taliban would win and young girls married against their will & he will use them to his advantage.
I don't see that Joe Biden could do anything to stop that.
As president of the USA, I'm not sure if it's even his right to stop that by invading the country.
If the Taliban invaded the USA because of violations of their laws, then you'd be upset.
Most western countries want the USA to end the death penalty, should we invade the USA?
Like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, the outcome would be the same.
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Mate how can you with a serious face say that he isnt responsible for the actions of what happened?
Look here:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9899117/Biden-DEFENDS-leaving-Afghanistan.html
He blames everyone except his failure of poor strategic withdrawal and the killing of innocent people.
Illegal stuff? Like making a phone call, taxes? Are you seriously comparing minor things like that to the murder of innocent people? Im now lost at words, wow.
The example of two cars makes not sense at all, first because BIDEN rejected everything that Trump has done and this one he could easily reject it too but he didnt! His plan backfired and now he is putting all the blame on others. Its so bad that Kamala Harris is distancing herself from this, where is she? Oh nowhere to be seen. And Joe is back to his "vacation" So much compassion for the Afghan people.
No, Trumps plan was a strategic withdrawal, a backup plan, he would leave power to the Aghan forces not the extremist, that was part of the deal too. The extremist would not have been in power if Joe didn't botch and abandon the Aghan people.
No it wouldn't be the same. If there was someone who stopped one of the 911 Hijackers, would the the planes struck the WTC? No, the outcome would have been different because one of the wheel in motion to carry a barbaric act is stopped meaning the wheel wouldve stopped and not going further.
Blaming Trump gains nothing. The thing is that not a single extremist tried anything during his presidency. He was there for 4 years! They knew not to mess with him.
Dont expect this to be Biden only mistake, there are 3 more years to go, God save us if something bad happens. Im really tired of all the war and pain in this world.
But yeah, still no answer as to why Biden ignored the advice the Pentagon gave him.
Its a sad time and i really do feel bad for the poor Afghan people who dont deserve this kind of betrayal. Biden should've done this more carefully.
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Put bluntly, there was no easier way to leave. Staying would only solidify the notion that the US is trying to turn the area into a puppet state or colony, which would spark even more conflict. This sort of thing is sad, but it is an issue for the larger international community.
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I'm ready for Biden to get us out of the Middle East entirely. Who gives a fuck if warmongering neocons bitch about it the whole time. Our presence there never did anyone any good, and it's still not doing anyone any good. Time to turn off the money spigot for all these weapons manufacturers and private mercenary groups, so it can be better spent elsewhere.
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I was in favour of forces being withdrawn from the Middle East under Trump and I'm in favour of it now - you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. If people in the Middle East want to live under a xenophobic, racist dictatorship (not all, but most) then that is the fate they've chosen.
To paraphrase my favourite comedian, the Middle East is like a boat, and the coalition is like a guy going through mid-life crisis. Having a boat is pretty cool - you can go on a cruise any time you want, except when it needs to be serviced, which is always. You spent so much on it already, you have to fix the boat, right? The moment you buy the boat, you're faced with a lose-lose choice every season - you can sink more money into the boat or you can sink the boat. At some point you have to grow up and realise that the boat is going through your savings. You need to realise that it's time to sell the boat to another sucker - somebody else can take care of it, otherwise you'll just sink along with it. You won't recoup your cost, ever, but you can finally stop worrying about the damned boat.
The *only* thing that's mildly annoying about the situation is the fact that the entirety of the establishment, both sides of the aisle, screeched to high heaven when Trump suggested that it's time to bring all the troops home from the dustbowl, and now that Biden bungs up doing exactly that it's a "sensible decision". I was told that creating a power vacuum in the Middle East will embolden terrorists and spread chaos across the region and abroad (and it demonstrably did, as everyone could've predicted) - I guess that's not a pressing concern now that the president is someone the establishment likes. Now it's okay to not care about people in the East having the same squabbles they used to have.
Long story short, the people of Afghanistan will have freedom when they start to desire it - you can't *make them* want democracy and equality with missiles, bullets and tanks. The occupying forces were never going to establish a long-lasting, peaceful, democratic state in the area - you can't do that in Afghanistan and you can't do it in Iraq. They'll build it themselves when the time comes, until then we can just stop spending money on the damned boat and redirect those funds towards things that actually matter to the average voter - at home, not abroad.
To paraphrase my favourite comedian, the Middle East is like a boat, and the coalition is like a guy going through mid-life crisis. Having a boat is pretty cool - you can go on a cruise any time you want, except when it needs to be serviced, which is always. You spent so much on it already, you have to fix the boat, right? The moment you buy the boat, you're faced with a lose-lose choice every season - you can sink more money into the boat or you can sink the boat. At some point you have to grow up and realise that the boat is going through your savings. You need to realise that it's time to sell the boat to another sucker - somebody else can take care of it, otherwise you'll just sink along with it. You won't recoup your cost, ever, but you can finally stop worrying about the damned boat.
The *only* thing that's mildly annoying about the situation is the fact that the entirety of the establishment, both sides of the aisle, screeched to high heaven when Trump suggested that it's time to bring all the troops home from the dustbowl, and now that Biden bungs up doing exactly that it's a "sensible decision". I was told that creating a power vacuum in the Middle East will embolden terrorists and spread chaos across the region and abroad (and it demonstrably did, as everyone could've predicted) - I guess that's not a pressing concern now that the president is someone the establishment likes. Now it's okay to not care about people in the East having the same squabbles they used to have.
Long story short, the people of Afghanistan will have freedom when they start to desire it - you can't *make them* want democracy and equality with missiles, bullets and tanks. The occupying forces were never going to establish a long-lasting, peaceful, democratic state in the area - you can't do that in Afghanistan and you can't do it in Iraq. They'll build it themselves when the time comes, until then we can just stop spending money on the damned boat and redirect those funds towards things that actually matter to the average voter - at home, not abroad.
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Trump's decision to withdraw from Afghanistan is one of the few during his presidency that I take no issue with. It's how he decided to go about it that was the problem, by ignoring the established Afghani government and going directly to the Taliban to negotiate with them instead. There's no guarantee that things would've turned out any different no matter what, of course, but at the very least he should've avoided lending legitimacy to the Taliban's claim over the country.
He should've said "according to an anonymous source", that was perfectly credible during the previous administration.
Given how quickly the Taliban took over the country, his assessment of the situation was orders of magnitude more accurate than Biden's.
About Biden disgusting speach
As a former presidential speechwriter I was shocked by the utter lack of empathy. No acknowledgement of the heart wrenching scenes we see playing out or the humanitarian catastrophe unfolding before our eyes. https://t.co/bLQgAr6D4h
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I have a hard time believing Trump "assessed" anything, I think he simply aligned ideologically more with the Taliban than any other group in Afghanistan, so he gravitated toward them without even considering his other options. Religious fundies of a feather flock together.
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