Gaming What You Like/Dislike About The 3DS

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Midna said:
How can an action be an exaggeration? You claim i couldn't have done it? Also...

Remember to update PSP files
Start looking for MiniUSB cable
Find MiniUSB cable under bed
Pick up MiniUSB cable
Walk to computer
Plug in USB side to computer
Realise you've left PSP on bed
Walk upstairs
Pick up PSP
Walk downstairs
Plug cable into PSP
Load files
Unplug cable from PSP

Silly points proving aside, this is nitpicking, and you've already listed it as a huge negative for the 3DS. Which is ridiculous.

Add those steps plus 2 or 3 more for the SD card. Or 20 or 30 more when you try to find where you lost the card. Nit-picking is what you are doing to someone's opinion. I said:

* no direct USB connection to PC = major dislike

And you went full steam ahead arguing against my opinion
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I am just defending it
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2010, soon to be 2011 and Nintendo have just had the sense to put removable flash in their portable since DSi and perhaps in 5 years might consider a USB connection, on their next-next-gen console
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Meanwhile the world is interfacing with the PC primarily with a USB cable. From bottom-end to top-end devices.
 

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I may not be the best person to ask about video playback on the PSP. I've tried, and had horrible results. Encoding a single movie took about as long as watching it would have. And the video didn't synch with the audio. I rather gave up after that.

Might as well explain the jack of all trades saying though. The saying means that if it can do everything, then it probably won't be as good with any of the tasks as something that is specifically designed for it.

Also, I meant video codec licensing fees. Nintendo has traditionally been very cheap in that regard. See: Wii doesn't actually use DVDs.

And I believe the PSP has USB support... because NOBODY has a Pro Duo adapter lying around.

Edit: You tried an HTML tag earlier. They don't work here, can open up possible exploits. Use BBCode instead. Completely unrelated, just a quick FYI.
 

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@foob
I disagree with your assessment that most desktops do not come with SD card reader.

Maybe this is true in Australia, but as far as I know every modern desktop in US comes with memory card reader. I ordered a desktop back in 2008 and it has a SD card slot.

Continuing on my post, if the purpose of USB is simply to provide SD card reader, the benefit is just too small. Nintendo is known to produce simple and affordable gaming device. Unless USB can enhance game play experience (like Wii's USB allowed guitar, keyboard, microphone, etc), Nintendo will not put it in there. Cost associated with is not limited to money. It also comes with training technicians and CS to deal with USB problem.

Like Midna pointed out, PSP has USB because Sony Memory Stick is not mainstream. It is not as popular as SD or CompactFlash.
 

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As Nintendo has said, there is literally no more space within the 3DS unit (when asked about a 2nd analog slider), so they couldn't have both an SD slot and a USB slot even if they wanted to. Of the two, the SD slot is the most reasonable, and the most portable, requiring nothing else but the slot to fill the space, and the card, which can be held inside the unit, so it's always with the device. By replacing with a USB connector, you lose out on portability by having to have cords or flash drives sticking out of the device. Flash drives and portable hard drives require more power, and other kinds of external hard drives, require their own power source, meaning more cords and less portability in those circumstances. Considering that Nintendo supposedly plans to make more use of external memory (a.k.a the SD card) for downloaded apps and such, I'd rather not have to lug around that extra stuff.
 

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^ What? If you talking about cords sticking out of device, the PSP has nothing sticking out. If not then you either have to lug a USB or memory card adapter.
 

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To the SD card and MiniUSB thing, you are still going to need to buy a SD card anyways, so whats the point. Anyways all of us are used to taking out our MicroSD card from our flashcarts and putting it on the computer.
 

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DiscostewSM said:
As Nintendo has said, there is literally no more space within the 3DS unit (when asked about a 2nd analog slider), so they couldn't have both an SD slot and a USB slot even if they wanted to. Of the two, the SD slot is the most reasonable, and the most portable, requiring nothing else but the slot to fill the space, and the card, which can be held inside the unit, so it's always with the device. By replacing with a USB connector, you lose out on portability by having to have cords or flash drives sticking out of the device. Flash drives and portable hard drives require more power, and other kinds of external hard drives, require their own power source, meaning more cords and less portability in those circumstances. Considering that Nintendo supposedly plans to make more use of external memory (a.k.a the SD card) for downloaded apps and such, I'd rather not have to lug around that extra stuff.

You are thinking of USB flash/hard drives, correct?

They are talking about USB connection to the computer.
 

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Midna said:
I may not be the best person to ask about video playback on the PSP. I've tried, and had horrible results. Encoding a single movie took about as long as watching it would have. And the video didn't synch with the audio. I rather gave up after that.

1) in many download managers you can download videos that will play in the PSP fine, but what plays fine is time for another discussion
2) whether you enjoyed it or not is really irrelevant to the discussion. Plenty have no sync issues and sync issues can happen with many encodings on many different devices, quite unrelated to the PSP. The device isn't just for movies, but music and pics transfers, too. We have never been able to put our own pics on a DS and view them on the device's pic viewer. Not to mention play MP3 or WAVs, let alone with the refinement and extremely usable interface that Sony brings to the table. I don't think it's asking too much of Nintendo to give us that support but Nintendo will do what Nintendo will do. I'm not holding my breath. Point is it's simply a dislike.

Midna said:
Might as well explain the jack of all trades saying though. The saying means that if it can do everything, then it probably won't be as good with any of the tasks as something that is specifically designed for it.
I'm quite aware of the term and I would like to ask you: "what is the DS master at?"
Gaming? Like I said before, many games in many genres actually are better on the PSP. Others are better on the DS. So who is master? In which areas does the PSP bow down to the DS aside from obvious areas like touch interface? How does the fact that the PSP is a 'jack of all trades' influence or affect its gaming abilities? I would like to get down to your reasoning for that statement. I'm quite aware of the definition, but you haven't really said WHY or HOW being a jack of all trades, master of none affects the PSP. Any more info you can give here to give some weight to that?

Midna said:
Also, I meant video codec licensing fees. Nintendo has traditionally been very cheap in that regard. See: Wii doesn't actually use DVDs.
OF course they have been traditionally very cheap, and that's why they should change. Isn't it about time Nintendo stopped being this cheap? Wouldn't you like to see this too? Everyone knows they ARE cheap. I'm not discounting their innovation but c'mon, the device can do so much more with a little effort and minimal cost without sacrificing its core competencies (gaming) one bit. It's almost 2011.

QUOTE(Midna @ Nov 9 2010, 01:47 PM) And I believe the PSP has USB support... because NOBODY has a Pro Duo adapter lying around.
I believe it would have one regardless of removable storage format, but that's all down to opinion. How many cameras use SD cards and still come with a USB cable connection.


QUOTE(Midna @ Nov 9 2010, 01:47 PM)
Edit: You tried an HTML tag earlier. They don't work here, can open up possible exploits. Use BBCode instead. Completely unrelated, just a quick FYI.

Yes, I'm too used to using BBcodeXtra add-on for Firefox...half the time I forget about the formatting toolbar here!
 

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@foob
I disagree with your assessment that most desktops do not come with SD card reader.

Maybe this is true in Australia, but as far as I know every modern desktop in US comes with memory card reader. I ordered a desktop back in 2008 and it has a SD card slot.

It's the same here but there are many 'white-box' models (even though they are black or grey these days..hrm) from non-brandnames that don't have them and they are still out there kicking around being used daily. They all come without card readers integrated. Again I seriously doubt MOST have them. Most being most computers out there, not just most brand-name computers selling in the last few years.

trumpet-205 said:
Continuing on my post, if the purpose of USB is simply to provide SD card reader, the benefit is just too small.
The benefit is now too small because Nintendo are too cheap to license additional codecs or make a real multimedia device. On the PSP it's a huge benefit, I reckon. At least for the way I often use it. I love being able to hook it up and drag-n-drop.

trumpet-205 said:
Nintendo is known to produce simple and affordable gaming device. Unless USB can enhance game play experience (like Wii's USB allowed guitar, keyboard, microphone, etc), Nintendo will not put it in there. Cost associated with is not limited to money. It also comes with training technicians and CS to deal with USB problem.

Yes, I mentioned this earlier. I still counter this with "it's almost 2011", get with the times.


QUOTE(trumpet-205 @ Nov 9 2010, 02:51 PM)
Like Midna pointed out, PSP has USB because Sony Memory Stick is not mainstream. It is not as popular as SD or CompactFlash.
Again take a look at how many cameras take SD cards and whether or not they come with cables and reach your own conclusion.
 

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foob said:
Midna said:
Might as well explain the jack of all trades saying though. The saying means that if it can do everything, then it probably won't be as good with any of the tasks as something that is specifically designed for it.
I'm quite aware of the term and I would like to ask you: "what is the DS master at?"
Gaming? Like I said before, many games in many genres actually are better on the PSP. Others are better on the DS. So who is master? In which areas does the PSP bow down to the DS aside from obvious areas like touch interface? How does the fact that the PSP is a 'jack of all trades' influence or affect its gaming abilities? I would like to get down to your reasoning for that statement. I'm quite aware of the definition, but you haven't really said WHY or HOW being a jack of all trades, master of none affects the PSP. Any more info you can give here to give some weight to that?
If I do that, this thread will be instantly doomed to become a PSP vs DS warzone and eventually be closed. I have plenty of gripes about both the DS and PSP, but I'm not relating them here.

If you'll reread, I was not referring to the PSP, but the 3DS. I'm saying that Nintendo's time should be better spent on making a fantastic gaming system, instead of a media player. Especially given I'm never listening to music on a thing as bulky as that, and carry my iPod around with me.

But I'll answer your question. I find both the video and audio playing features of the PSP rather mediocre. It definitely has some good games, but I have to say the controls piss me off like nothing else. I don't need hand cramps and aching thumbs, Sony. Also: analog nub. That is all.

(To be clear, I'm no fanboy for any company. I support Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo. But that doesn't mean I can't be critical of them.)
 

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Midna said:
If I do that, this thread will be instantly doomed to become a PSP vs DS warzone and eventually be closed. I have plenty of gripes about both the DS and PSP, but I'm not relating them here.

You already did.
I find the PSP far more comfortable than any DS so far and the controls supremely well thought-out in gaming and non-gaming tasks.

I guess the analogue controller is up for debate (It can be a bit painful sometimes) and I might prefer the 3DS' position of it (perhaps even its concave shape and size). Then again some might be too annoyed that the dpad is on the bottom and that gloss is once again under their fingers.

A bit of a trade-off for both devices (but everything is).

If movie-playing (and audio) is mediocre on the PSP to you, then the 3DS should be...? We're talking smaller 15:9 screen (not 16:9 screen, and less resolution too). So even if the codec support is there, well we have a bit of an 'interesting' unique device here. Sony's PSP sound quality is of a VERY high standard so I'm guessing your dislikes are about the interface compared to dedicated audio devices(?)

I'm just trying to guess where your dislikes might be, correct me if I'm wrong. 'Cause I don't think the DSi or whatever in anyway matches what's on offer here, except in playful sound manipulation tasks, and I don't expect the 3DS to surprise me here, even though the DSi is a nice improvement over what came before.

The other point about not about carrying something that big for music. It's not really about primarily using it this way (at least for most people, I would argue) but using it for music IF and/or WHEN you are carrying it for gaming or movies anyway and decide you want to stop and listen to music instead (or simply want to use the rest of the battery wisely with the display off).

It's great that it does more. DSi does too, but with less codec support. Nobody will buy these instead of a smaller audio device, really. It's not about that. It's about doing more with the one device when deciding to carry it with you anyway.

Really Nintendo are a (distant) second best here. If anyone is a master of none, I'd pick them (despite them not being a jack of all trades!).

That said, I really can't wait to see the 3D on the 3DS and see where they are pushing the games.
 

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Wow, just Wow. I can't believe how much energy was put into such a TRIVIAL gripe about the 3DS. Only one person cares about a crappy USB cable, and I'm surprised that anyone else cares to respond to such a dislike.

Anyone who uses a flash cart (everyone on GbaTemp), is used to taking the lazy steps to remove the micro sd from the flashcart, inserting into reader, and plugging into PC. It doesn't matter either way, since the same result can be achieved, with or without a micro USB connection.

I doubt Nintendo would want to create a USB sychronizing system with the 3DS, since it would probably just make hacking easier, and it's bad enough they adopted such a popular format as SD, which made hacking the Wii that much more convenient.

Sorry Foob, but you just come across as a PSP fanboy. I've owned my PSP since launch, and it's still on the original 1.5 firmware it came with, and I have no excitement towards the crappy experience the system offered. Its homebrew and emulation were always superior, and make similar efforts on the DS(Lite) seem pathetic. However, that isn't enough for me to praise the system, and I haven't felt the urge to play it since 2008. The only reason I ever used the USB cable to add homebrew to the Memory Stick Pro Duo, is because the format is so crappy and unsupported, that none of my card readers (or PC) had inputs for it.
 

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jan777 said:
DiscostewSM said:
As Nintendo has said, there is literally no more space within the 3DS unit (when asked about a 2nd analog slider), so they couldn't have both an SD slot and a USB slot even if they wanted to. Of the two, the SD slot is the most reasonable, and the most portable, requiring nothing else but the slot to fill the space, and the card, which can be held inside the unit, so it's always with the device. By replacing with a USB connector, you lose out on portability by having to have cords or flash drives sticking out of the device. Flash drives and portable hard drives require more power, and other kinds of external hard drives, require their own power source, meaning more cords and less portability in those circumstances. Considering that Nintendo supposedly plans to make more use of external memory (a.k.a the SD card) for downloaded apps and such, I'd rather not have to lug around that extra stuff.

You are thinking of USB flash/hard drives, correct?

They are talking about USB connection to the computer.

I was taking it along the point of it mimicking what an SD slot would be doing, so as to provide the same functionality whilst being portable to a degree. My initial statement still holds true, in that they couldn't have both, even if they wanted, so only one could be taken. To be quite honest, if the 3DS's internal memory is really 1.5GB as rumors suggest (less considering the system OS and permanent apps), then you aren't gonna be able to hold much on it, hence the need for an alternate form of storage, which is why I brought up flash drives and portable hard drives. They may not even allow pictures, videos, etc to be stored on the NAND like with the Wii, which could be why they are supplying free 2GB SD cards with each unit, and give less of a reason to have a USB connection with nothing to store data on from the computer if it were to replace the SD slot.
 

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foob said:
Midna said:
If I do that, this thread will be instantly doomed to become a PSP vs DS warzone and eventually be closed. I have plenty of gripes about both the DS and PSP, but I'm not relating them here.

You already did.
I find the PSP far more comfortable than any DS so far and the controls supremely well thought-out in gaming and non-gaming tasks.

I guess the analogue controller is up for debate (It can be a bit painful sometimes) and I might prefer the 3DS' position of it (perhaps even its concave shape and size). Then again some might be too annoyed that the dpad is on the bottom and that gloss is once again under their fingers.

A bit of a trade-off for both devices (but everything is).

If movie-playing (and audio) is mediocre on the PSP to you, then the 3DS should be...? We're talking smaller 15:9 screen (not 16:9 screen, and less resolution too). So even if the codec support is there, well we have a bit of an 'interesting' unique device here. Sony's PSP sound quality is of a VERY high standard so I'm guessing your dislikes are about the interface compared to dedicated audio devices(?)

I'm just trying to guess where your dislikes might be, correct me if I'm wrong. 'Cause I don't think the DSi or whatever in anyway matches what's on offer here, except in playful sound manipulation tasks, and I don't expect the 3DS to surprise me here, even though the DSi is a nice improvement over what came before.

The other point about not about carrying something that big for music. It's not really about primarily using it this way (at least for most people, I would argue) but using it for music IF and/or WHEN you are carrying it for gaming or movies anyway and decide you want to stop and listen to music instead (or simply want to use the rest of the battery wisely with the display off).

It's great that it does more. DSi does too, but with less codec support. Nobody will buy these instead of a smaller audio device, really. It's not about that. It's about doing more with the one device when deciding to carry it with you anyway.

Really Nintendo are a (distant) second best here. If anyone is a master of none, I'd pick them (despite them not being a jack of all trades!).

That said, I really can't wait to see the 3D on the 3DS and see where they are pushing the games.
What, seriously? Maybe you have small hand or something, but the lack of support for the rest of my hands while I'm using the Cross-Circle-Square-Triangle buttons frequently gives me cramps. It's very annoying. They're also impossible to tab quickly. I had hell trying to beat Ocelot's torture in Metal gear Solid on PSP. It was damn near impossible on those buttons, and pretty easy on a real Dual Shock. Any intensive play with the D-Pad actually makes the edges of the buttons cut into my thumb. The analog stick is not only "occasionally painful", but completely unusable in my opinion. I cope with the PSP's controls because it has games I can't play on the DS. As I say, a system is all about its games. You were the one that turned this into a PSP vs DS argument, not me.

And now, unlike me, you're hammering on the DS with no support. See, thing is, I play games on my game systems. That's all. I don't care about anything else. Why are you bashing the DS? This thread has never been about the DS, at all. The only reason why the DS would come into play here is because the DSi has a media player, and we know that the DSi's support will be the floor for what the 3DS can do. the PSP got dragged into play, mostly as an example, because it has a USB port. Then, I make an offhand comment, relating only to the 3DS, and you go all out attacking the DS and boosting up the PSP. WTF?
 

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dsfanatic5 said:
However, that isn't enough for me to praise the system, and I haven't felt the urge to play it since 2008. The only reason I ever used the USB cable to add homebrew to the Memory Stick Pro Duo, is because the format is so crappy and unsupported, that none of my card readers (or PC) had inputs for it.

The USB cable is not for games, it's for other content. Sorry, but you miss the point completely. It's really irrelevant whether you like the PSP or not. My argument is Nintendo need to move beyond their 1980s mindset of a device just for games.
 

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Midna said:
You were the one that turned this into a PSP vs DS argument, not me.
My references to the PSP was how it does multimedia better and that Nintendo need to really stop being so cheap in this department. You totally brought the fanboy out after this. Go read again. 5-second olympics, encoding with mismatched audio/video and where time is better spent, jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none with nothing to back it up with, and so on...


Midna said:
And now, unlike me, you're hammering on the DS with no support.

What did you mean by "no support"?

Midna said:
See, thing is, I play games on my game systems. That's all. I don't care about anything else.
Right and that's great. I'm just saying others do care about non-gaming things too - hence the need to expand the capabilities of portable devices. Because it's 2010. 2011 when the 3DS will be released. There is a need for Nintendo to move out of the cave. The DSi's capabilities are a sign they are but they move very slowly.

QUOTE(Midna @ Nov 10 2010, 12:13 AM) Why are you bashing the DS? This thread has never been about the DS, at all.
No, it's about the 3DS and what little we don't know about the 3DS can be guessed with a level of certainty judging by the DS(i). Size, shape, most capabilities we already know, right? Music and sound manipulation stuff we see on the DSi will probably be seen in the 3DS too. So there's lots related. We don't know about codec support. Screen size, shape, aspect ratio we all know. No USB connection. We know all this with certainty. So both 3DS and DS both apply here. Nintendo have never taken multimedia seriously.

What is the harm in referring to both of them?

QUOTE(Midna @ Nov 10 2010, 12:13 AM)
The only reason why the DS would come into play here is because the DSi has a media player, and we know that the DSi's support will be the floor for what the 3DS can do. the PSP got dragged into play, mostly as an example, because it has a USB port. Then, I make an offhand comment, relating only to the 3DS, and you go all out attacking the DS and boosting up the PSP. WTF?

You don't make any offhand comments. You basically make snide remarks about unrelated things and expect me to not respond. Occasionally you make valid points. When I do respond, you mostly ignore my responses and then talk about something else you don't like about the PSP. I respond. I like responding. I like intelligent debate.

I like overblown talk about small things that Nintendo should improve and don't understand their cave mentality and obnoxious tight-fisted ways, especially after making a ton of money to spend on truly world-leading products. I dislike that their products are great in certain areas but totally caveman in others.
 

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QUOTE said:
What did you mean by "no support"?
QUOTE said:
Really Nintendo are a (distant) second best here. If anyone is a master of none, I'd pick them (despite them not being a jack of all trades!).
...Nintendo is bad at games in addition to media...
And by no support i mean nothing to back it up.
QUOTE said:
My references to the PSP was how it does multimedia better and that Nintendo need to really stop being so cheap in this department. You totally brought the fanboy out after this. Go read again. 5-second olympics, encoding with mismatched audio/video and where time is better spent, jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none with nothing to back it up with, and so on...
The "5 second olympics", as you call it, was a simple attempt to prove that removing an SD card is barely an inconvenience, let along a waste of time. The encoding issue was telling the bad experiences I've had with the PSP and MP4. The point there is that I find it incredibly inconvenient on the PSP, and I doubt Nintendo would do any better. Jack of all trades, as I said before, had nothing to do with the PSP whatsoever. I was saying, I would rather Nintendo focus exclusively on games than pump out a half baked user handled multimedia system.

QUOTEYou don't make any offhand comments. You basically make snide remarks about unrelated things and expect me to not respond. Occasionally you make valid points. When I do respond, you mostly ignore my responses and then talk about something else you don't like about the PSP. I respond. I like responding. I like intelligent debate.
I'll assume you mean that i don't usually make long posts, quoting and addressing every little thing you say, like i am now (Because you've actually gone slightly personal. This is no longer about the 3DS, but about me.) The PSP came into play here, because you were suggesting the 3DS needs features the PSP currently has. I responded to this by arguing that it really isn't that incredibly convenient on the PSP. In fact, it is, but only because PSP uses a proprietary clone of the SD card designed to divert more funds to Sony. The only other snide remarks I made was when you specially told me to tell you all my dissatisfactions with the PSP, to back up a statement that wasn't related to the PSP at all.

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I like overblown talk about small things that Nintendo should improve and don't understand their cave mentality and obnoxious tight-fisted ways, especially after making a ton of money to spend on truly world-leading products. I dislike that their products are great in certain areas but totally caveman in others.
I disagree. The lack of a media player in a game system is not "caveman". I find it unnecessary, personally. I have no issue with it's institution, but I doubt I'll use it for anything if it does get implemented.

As I've explained, just about everything i said was directly about the 3DS, and had little to do with the PSP. You apparently took my "This doesn't work well on the PSP, so i doubt it'll work well on the 3DS either" to mean "PSP sucks".

Also lol at Brian10122.
I agree, given this entire discussion is about modifying the 3DS design to allow for a card reader.
 

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<!--coloro:#006400--><span style="color:#006400"><!--/coloro-->...Nintendo is bad at games in addition to media...<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
Who said this? They both have strong and weak points regarding games and genres they are better or worse at.

I stated repeatedly both are good for certain games. No clear 'gaming' leader was my point. At least that's my opinion. Everyone has their own and if nobody's picked up a PSP in years for gaming, I can't argue against their experiences either.

<!--coloro:#006400--><span style="color:#006400"><!--/coloro-->And by no support i mean nothing to back it up.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
Do you need more back up on something? I can talk for ages.

<!--coloro:#006400--><span style="color:#006400"><!--/coloro-->The "5 second olympics", as you call it, was a simple attempt to prove that removing an SD card is barely an inconvenience, let along a waste of time.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
Compared to a cable it's an inconvenience, IMO. It's simply the worse solution. You responded to me on this point from the start. I backed it up repeatedly. We have said what needs to be said here. We disagree. Fair enough.


<!--coloro:#006400--><span style="color:#006400"><!--/coloro-->The encoding issue was telling the bad experiences I've had with the PSP and MP4. The point there is that I find it incredibly inconvenient on the PSP, and I doubt Nintendo would do any better.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
Since Sony didn't supply any software for years, of course this was handled by third parties. All depends on how important these things are to you and what exactly you are using or wanting to do. Any of these problems can apply to any platform. Nintendo don't have to do a better job necessarily, they just need to offer the option to load our own content and provide the codec support. If they want to make it easier for the masses, that's fine too. I think lots will appreciate and use this, if they really wanted to make it easier.

For some users of course they won't use this and that's their choice. I think the market is big enough to support and want this now in their portable devices and in 1, 2 or 3+ years into the future the 3DS may be seen as extra primitive because of its lack of (or simply clunky) interaction with the computer and lack of real nice support for loading your own content (video, pics, audio with more formats).

I hate to bring <b>Apple </b>into this but they have sold millions of iPod Touch and iPhones. About 125 million of them. Please see DS sales figures for some reference.

Nintendo regard them as competition even though they are pretty lacking as games devices in some crucial areas (in my opinion). The point is people are spending on entertainment in other ways. Nintendo and Sony both see this <i>(Sony's "Marcus" ads are proof of this)</i>. 200 million expect to be sold by end of 2011. Isn't part of the iPod Touch and iPhone's appeal the fact that they can "do anything" and interface with the PC easily? I reckon it is and it will only increase as time goes on. Ease of use is also a big thing but that's no big deal on the DS or 3DS, I reckon.

I think it's a big mistake for Nintendo not to make connecting to computers and loading content on them as easy as possible (that means no card to take out, put in, take out). In my opinion this is easily done without sacrificing any gameplay aspects of the unit at all (tactile controls still there, everything still there as it is...). 3D and the 3D camera will be a big talking point for them (really big!), but they needed to go further in loading user content. Fine if we disagree...

<!--coloro:#006400--><span style="color:#006400"><!--/coloro-->Jack of all trades, as I said before, had nothing to do with the PSP whatsoever.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
Backtracking. To quote you again, in your exact words:
<b>"Systems that only do everything is Sony's field.
(Jack of all trades is a master of none, BTW.)"</b>

If that isn't a straight reference to the PSP, what is? You can correct me if you think I'm reading things wrong here.

<!--coloro:#006400--><span style="color:#006400"><!--/coloro-->I was saying, I would rather Nintendo focus exclusively on games than pump out a half baked user handled multimedia system.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
I don't see them as mutually exclusive. Plus Nintendo has <b>heaps </b>of resources to make this happen. It's a question of whether they want to or not. So you probably have your wish that their focus is narrow, despite plenty of resources to make it happen. Nintendo is a HUGE company not short on cash or man-power, so there is no risk on taking people away from games to implement this.

<!--coloro:#006400--><span style="color:#006400"><!--/coloro-->I'll assume you mean that i don't usually make long posts, quoting and addressing every little thing you say, like i am now (Because you've actually gone slightly personal. This is no longer about the 3DS, but about me.)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

Ouch, I quote and talk to much now! That hurts. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
Smacks for talking too much and nit-picking on the finer points of hardware <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> Actually I found some of your responses quite personal and frankly illogical, drifting from one hate to the next, acting as if because you don't use it it's really not needed. I don't like gloss or uncomfortable square designs but I know there are many that do and want it or don't mind it at all.

The feeling I get from you is "nintendo have it right, PSP sucks". I may give you the feeling that I am in the opposite camp (and maybe I am, call me what you want) but seriously...no USB connections in 2010/11 on a portable gaming device comes across as more than a touch primitive (to me), I don't care which company is involved.

Dealing with the SD card is more inconvenient and more time-consuming and generally more reliant on hardware the user may not have. Again, we can disagree here, that's fine and we have said it all. No, it's not a HUGE deal, but is it less convenient? I think so. Assuming Nintendo would even offer the codec support and half-decent playback features in the GUI.

<!--coloro:#006400--><span style="color:#006400"><!--/coloro-->The PSP came into play here, because you were suggesting the 3DS needs features the PSP currently has. I responded to this by arguing that it really isn't that incredibly convenient on the PSP. In fact, it is, but only because PSP uses a proprietary clone of the SD card designed to divert more funds to Sony.
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Yeah and as I stated, I don't think formats matter as much as universal compatibility does. Plenty of SD-using cameras out there. Sony itself makes SD-using video cameras and still cameras. They all come with USB ports and cables for near-'universal' compatibility, to put things simply. They do charge more for Memory Sticks but that is another issue. Cables mean universal compatibility with any computer with a USB slot (nearly all of them in the past 13+ years). SD is popular but nowhere near this level of popular or near-'universal' compatibility.

<!--coloro:#006400--><span style="color:#006400"><!--/coloro-->The only other snide remarks I made was when you specially told me to tell you all my dissatisfactions with the PSP, to back up a statement that wasn't related to the PSP at all.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
Actually I count quite a few from you regarding your dissatisfaction with the PSP or with me (hah!). Let's not go there.


<!--coloro:#006400--><span style="color:#006400"><!--/coloro-->I disagree. The lack of a media player in a game system is not "caveman". I find it unnecessary, personally. I have no issue with it's institution, but I doubt I'll use it for anything if it does get implemented.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
And I can fully understand not everyone will want it of course. I just think heaps of people (heaps!) do expect these things in portable entertainment devices now and more will during the selling lifetime of the device.

<!--coloro:#006400--><span style="color:#006400"><!--/coloro-->As I've explained, just about everything i said was directly about the 3DS, and had little to do with the PSP. You apparently took my "This doesn't work well on the PSP, so i doubt it'll work well on the 3DS either" to mean "PSP sucks".<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
To be honest, a lot of your comments had heaps of "PSP sucks" tone, from you not liking the audio (reason being?) to video (encoding problems?) to comparing the comfort on it to the dualshock, which I think is unfair but hey...

But you can't argue the resolution and size of the screen, right? Just because you don't use the PSP for video or audio or prefer a dedicated audio device doesn't mean they suck for these tasks compared to their direct competition (Nintendo). Of course we can compare size and usability of it as an audio device to decicated audio devices or full-size controllers but that's fruitless. And that's what I'm trying to make a point of. I don't understand exactly where your 'hate' is regarding the device. You may not like the games; fair enough. I see it as a very good example in lots of areas inside and outside gaming (in particular) where it shines really well.

Anyway......with all that said I'm probably guilty of being a big fan of the PSP here ('cause I am), but I don't think my arguments are unjustified. I tend to think the PSP is unappreciated for many of its fine (really fine) qualities and it's an area Nintendo can learn from, especially 5+ years after the release of the PSP and the huge competition from Apple and others for our entertainment dollars.

3D will be killer in the 3DS and the 3D camera and other features should be fun but I would be lying if I didn't shake my head at some of the omissions. That's it!
 

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I cannot quote all that. I'll just say this regarding my jack of all trades quote. I don't have a particularly good memory, and that's not what i saw when i looked back at my posts. yeah, guess that was a shot at the PSP, based on its mediocre performance in the areas aside from gaming. As I say, if it's going to do everything, it's not always going to do everything well.

The games are in fact the only thing i like about the PSP. That's why i bought it, that's why i buy every console. They have games I cannot play on other hardware. To pass those games off as bad because they're not for a specific system is frankly... retarded. It's also known as fanboyism.

I don't like the audio playing capabilities, because it provides you with a giant list of everything you have in your folder, in a completely un-customizable order. The files cannot be played anywhere except for this menu.

I don't think the PSP sucks at all. I have some dissatisfactions with it. I also have a few gripes about the DS. Neither is perfect, perhaps neither is better.

I do apologize if I've inadvertently taken any personal jabs. When i get into a debate, I think i tend to do that sometimes. I did not mean that you were talking too much, just that you systematically addressed every single point in my posts, something I don't usually have the patience for.

I'll concede that the 3DS oughta have USB support. I don't view it as perfectly necessary, but you're right. It probably doesn't actually cost that much, and it wouldn't be that hard to put in. Though given the 3DS' rather large price, I'm still not sure they need to be paying for video, audio and image codec licensing fees in addition to money spent on hardware.
 

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