Why do people get so triggered about introducing LGBT characters into movies?

[AdenTheThird]

You specifically said those laws still apply.

That wasn't a moral law. That was a law placed to separate people from high priests, and doesn't apply now.

 

[Psionic Roshambo]

Unless it's porn, or there is some sort of romantic element to the movie I really don't care if the character is gay or straight or has sex with toasters.... Just blow up the damn Death Star and stop making out with your sister... like eww... lol

Also on the subject of being gay or straight, I don't think seeing it on TV or the movies is going "turn" anyone gay... I think it's a genetics thing and at least for most people isn't a choice that can be influenced by any exposure to gay things. I say most people because I think the exception might be bi sexual people who really do feel attracted to both sexes? (I literally do not know if it's a real thing from my perspective you either are a woman and I like that a lot or a man and possible friend yet nothing more, but I digress.)

 

[Tigran]

That wasn't a moral law. That was a law placed to separate people from high priests, and doesn't apply now.

And this is why most people see Christians as hypocritical assholes.

You can't say "Oh.. This law applies... but that one doesn't... Even though they are literally in the same book right next to each other! Our god is a God of LOVE AND PEACE!!! Please ignore the fact he told soldiers to bash children against rocks and rip the wombs from women.... BUT DON'T YOU DARE ABORT! LOVE AND PIECE! Lets also forget that he was a complete dick with the tower of babel.. LOVE AND PEACE!"

And may I also remind you that Jesus basically said "Shut your trap about your religion it's between you and god and no one else!"

Yet 98 percent of Christians can't abide that either.

 

[AdenTheThird]

And this is why most people see Christians as hypocritical assholes.

You can't say "Oh.. This law applies... but that one doesn't... Even though they are literally in the same book right next to each other! Our god is a God of LOVE AND PEACE!!! Please ignore the fact he told soldiers to bash children against rocks and rip the wombs from women.... BUT DON'T YOU DARE ABORT! LOVE AND PIECE! Lets also forget that he was a complete dick with the tower of babel.. LOVE AND PEACE!"

And may I also remind you that Jesus basically said "Shut your trap about your religion it's between you and god and no one else!"

Yet 98 percent of Christians can't abide that either.

The law was in place so that people wouldn't practice the same methods as high priests... it's quite difficult to explain without offending anyone.
There are verses in the New Testament, today's law, about being homosexual and this is why it is not practiced among Christians. It is also referenced in the Old Testament, and that is why people are getting confused and angry.
I'm sorry. This is a very complicated and difficult topic to cover, and I understand your feeling. i'm sorry.

Also, I don't remember anything about the rocks and the ripping wombs from women, and He stopped the Tower of Babel because man was trying to reach Heaven for self pride. Where are you getting your information?

 

[Tigran]

The law was in place so that people wouldn't practice the same methods as high priests... it's quite difficult to explain without offending anyone.
There are verses in the New Testament, today's law, about being homosexual and this is why it is not practiced among Christians. It is also referenced in the Old Testament, and that is why people are getting confused and angry.
I'm sorry. This is a very complicated and difficult topic to cover, and I understand your feeling. i'm sorry.

Also, I don't remember anything about the rocks and the ripping wombs from women, and He stopped the Tower of Babel because man was trying to reach Heaven for self pride. Where are you getting your information?

Same place you do.. The bible. In fact I can name the book and verses for the ripping wombs from women, and the fiber and homosexuality in the Old testament, and Jesus saying to keep your trap shut in the new testament. Can you give me book and verse in the new testament about homosexuality being a sin?

Oh.. you also forgot about the seeds... but I'm sure that's some "High Priest" bullshit too

 

[AdenTheThird]

Romans 1:26-27:

For this reason, God gave them up to passions of dishonor; for even their females exchanged the natural use for that which is contrary to nature, and likewise also the males, having left the natural use of the female, were inflamed by their lust for one another, males with males, committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was fitting for their error.
The seeds was said to accompany the previous law. You are correct in that.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

In the Bible, God created the Earth, and man in his own image. He intended for man to live forever, and created the Garden of Eden to house them. He created Eve to accompany Adam, and gave them free will, stating that the only thing they couldn't do was eat from the Tree Of The Knowledge of Good and Evil. Eve was looking at the Tree one day, when Satan, in the form of a snake (In Christianity, there is only one God, Satan was a fallen angel). He tempted Eve and lied to her, in order to get her to take a bite. She did, and in turn gave it to Adam, who took a bite as well. At this point, God saw what they had done and was angry. He cursed the two, banishing them from the garden for listening to Satan. Satan received eternal punishment as well, but it was too late. Sin had already entered the world.
That's the story of the Beginning in my own words, referenced from the NIV Bible.

Again, feel free to read the Creation story again, it never says the Serpent was either Satan or Lucifer.

Plus you'll find Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 contradict each other as to what day certain things were created on, but that can be chalked up to creative liberties being taken to make various tellings of the story fit into one narrative. The same thing happens later with the story of Abraham; it's generally accepted that there were multiple verbal accounts that were compiled and attempted to fit together once the Torah was written

 

[AdenTheThird]

Again, feel free to read the Creation story again, it never says the Serpent was either Satan or Lucifer.

Plus you'll find Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 contradict each other as to what day certain things were created on, but that can be chalked up to creative liberties being taken to make various tellings of the story fit into one narrative. The same thing happens later with the story of Abraham; it's generally accepted that there were multiple verbal accounts that were compiled and attempted to fit together once the Torah was written

What version of the Bible are you getting this from?

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Romans 1:26-27:

For this reason, God gave them up to passions of dishonor; for even their females exchanged the natural use for that which is contrary to nature, and likewise also the males, having left the natural use of the female, were inflamed by their lust for one another, males with males, committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was fitting for their error.
The seeds was said to accompany the previous law. You are correct in that.

I feel it's also necessary to mention that every verse in the New Testament on homosexuality was written by Paul, a man known to contradict Jesus' teachings on multiple occasions

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What version of the Bible are you getting this from?

The NIV, same as you, although I personally studied out of the NRSV

Edit: if you want to read up on the understanding of either 4 or 5 authors of Genesis, look into this and do some digging for yourself: http://www.religioustolerance.org/jepd_gen.htm

 

[Tigran]

Romans 1:26-27:

For this reason, God gave them up to passions of dishonor; for even their females exchanged the natural use for that which is contrary to nature, and likewise also the males, having left the natural use of the female, were inflamed by their lust for one another, males with males, committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was fitting for their error.
The seeds was said to accompany the previous law. You are correct in that.

What that says is God went "Whelp.. No more protection for you... so now your carnal desires go nuts." Which.. still kinda makes him at fault. Not to mention if it was men and women at fault, why do we constantly find homosexuality in animals that never bit of the fruit?

I feel it's also necessary to mention that every verse in the New Testament on homosexuality was written by Paul, a man known to contradict Jesus' teachings on multiple occasions

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The NIV, same as you, although I personally studied out of the NRSV

Also... For Pride to be a deadly sin... Allah seems to have a lot of it. "Oh no! Man is working together to reach the heavens... Better make them have endless wars and kill themselves all eternity of it! Oh no! They are worshipping things that arn't me! Better go wipe out mankind except for one family!" Let's not forget about the thousands he purposefully set up to die. He specifically hardened Pharaoh's heart to Moses' pleas so the Pharaoh would ignore them.... Then sent the plagues... So he is soley responsible for killing thousands of innocent people there as well. And lets not forget even in modern times all the kids and people he kills randomly. Hell.. For an onipotent god... He can't even protect people in his own damn churches. *Which again shouldn't even exist cause Jesus said to knock that shit out.*

Mathew 6:5-6 "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their reward. 6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.…"

In other words.. Keep that shit to yourself.

 

[SG854]

Romans 1:26-27:

For this reason, God gave them up to passions of dishonor; for even their females exchanged the natural use for that which is contrary to nature, and likewise also the males, having left the natural use of the female, were inflamed by their lust for one another, males with males, committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was fitting for their error.
The seeds was said to accompany the previous law. You are correct in that.

You better condemn the gays then if thats what God wants. If God wants people to see homosexuals as immoral, then you better make sure you are doing what God wants, and condemn them, or else that might mean no heaven for you.

People can interpret the Bible how ever they want, but does God want that? He might want you to interpret it a very specific way, and follow specific rules. If you interpret it however you want, and miss the original message, and not do what God originally wanted you to do, which then might anger your God and he will probably banish you. Which means people can't interpret the Bible however they want. They better interpret it correctly to avoid anger from their God. So you better interpret it correctly, and do what God wants or else bad things could happen to you.

 

[Tigran]

Well my question.. If the bible is the "WORD OF GOD" why are there so many damn versions of it. If it is the absolute "WORD OF GOD." there should be no variations at all.

 

[Kigiru]

> Fighting over an over 2000 years old book that has over 2000 different interpretations and translations.

Lel, just lel. This discussion is hilarious, please continue.

I have nothing against Gays, transexuals or any other people... but if you put a label "We have gays!" on shit, it's still in fact a shit. There are good products that are directed to people that like LGBT+, but they dissapears under the shit that has big, famous titles like Star Wars. Add to that overall hostility and being pro-censorship of people trying to be loud, visible faces of LGBT or BLM or any other movement like that and there are reasons to avoid these themes. There's no pleasure from watching bad movie and then after saying that i don't like it being called a "fucking white male" or something.

 

[SG854]

Well my question.. If the bible is the "WORD OF GOD" why are there so many damn versions of it. If it is the absolute "WORD OF GOD." there should be no variations at all.

People can argue the Bible all day and say the Bible doesn't or does say this or that. But in the End it's what God wants. No matter how right or wrong you interpret the Bible, no matter how many times the Bible was altered from its originally source, you must interpret it correctly, and gets Gods originally message from the heavily altered Book, or else that might piss of their God and possibly no heaven for them. If God want them to kill all Gays then they better do it. Or bad things could happen.

Does God care if they don't follow what he wants? Who knows? But better play it safe and kill gays just in case. Or maybe god doesn't want you to kill gays and you won't go to heaven if you do. Its like a gamble, make a choice, better interpret correctly or their could be pain and suffering for you.

 

[AdenTheThird]

Well my question.. If the bible is the "WORD OF GOD" why are there so many damn versions of it. If it is the absolute "WORD OF GOD." there should be no variations at all.

Because the original wasn't in English and there have been multiple attempts at translating that over the years.

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People can argue the Bible all day and say the Bible doesn't or does say this or that. But in the End it's what God wants. No matter how right or wrong you interpret the Bible, no matter how many times the Bible was altered from its originally source, you must interpret it correctly, and gets Gods originally message from the heavily altered Book, or else that might piss of their God and possibly no heaven for them. If God want them to kill all Gays then they better do it. Or bad things could happen.

Does God care if they don't follow what he wants? Who knows? But better play it safe and kill gays just in case. Or maybe god doesn't want you to kill gays and you won't go to heaven if you do. Its like a gamble, make a choice, better interpret correctly or their could be pain and suffering for you.

Going to heaven doesn't rely on bad choices on Earth. It relies on if you accept the Lord into your heart and ask him to forgive you for your sin.

 

[Viri]

Last of Us 2 made me think of this thread. Ellie, despite having a whole back story and already confirmed to like girls, I still see people spamming "sjw" all across the internet. I'm sure some are trolling and joking, but I'm sure a lot of them are serious. Most of the time, it isn't about gay people with bad storytelling (as if you can't have bad storytelling with straight people), but about some people simply not wanting to see it, but just wouldn't admit it. If Ellie was straight the whole time and shown her kissing guys, I doubt anyone would be claiming that it was "forced" or any other common complaints.

I played the first Last of Us, and got bored half way. But then someone streamed it, and I seen the ending. I hated the ending, I would have shot and killed her to get the cure and save the world.

Seeing the new game last night reminded me of that.

 

[The Catboy]

As for the content and not current sinning standards, eating ham and all the sacrifice and ritual rules were eliminated when God sent his One and Only Son to Earth to die for all of our sins. After He did, the eating ham and such rules were no longer necessary. Homosexuality, along with the other basic rules and Laws stated in the Old Testament, are still in place because Jesus dying on the cross did not affect those laws directly. Sorry for the long reply.
I guess this is what I'm trying to say: We don't believe in homosexuality, but we don't publicy shun people who do. We might talk with people about their life choices or ask them why they do it, etc., but telling them that they're sinning makes people angry and doesn't help anyone.

Putting the Eden story aside because my post was a very horrible TL: DR version of the story.
The New Testament doesn't seem to mention that homosexuality was omitted from those sins, expect for the lines Romans 1:26-27. These lines also seem to spark a lot of debate if it's condemning homosexuality directly or condemning those who experiment with their sexuality and there's also a debate saying that it's actually condemning Pagan worship.
This all being said, it seems rather odd for the same deity to be able to create an entire everything and yet get bent so out of shape about someone's sexuality. But to really answer the question, no one really chooses their sexuality, it just happens. Just like how you know your sexuality and gender is the same as others.

 

[Saiyan Lusitano]

Not so much "TRIGGERED!!!" but how gay, lesbian, etc characters are handled, sometimes if not a lot they're forced and shoved in our faces as if the director and all involved in the show/movie/game couldn't have made that relationship feel normalized without telling us "Look, they are gay and you gotta accept that!". It's kind of the same shit with laughtracks; "Laugh now because it's funny!".

Strand from FearTWD is a gay dude and they did a good job with him but the show now lost Madison (she was fired for being too old or some bullshit) and Nick so I'm probably gonna give up on FearTWD. Each episode just feels like a chore to watch (those damn flashbacks every now and then).

Madison and Troy would have made a wonderful couple but I'm getting off-topic now.

 

[Saiyan Lusitano]

no one really chooses their sexuality

This is a seriously flawed logic you have and it opens doors to people who want to be accepted for being sick fucks. If a pedo wants to say that, then he/she will and if an incest person does, the same goes along. There has been talk about 'Pedosexual' being added to LGBTQ and whatever other letters it uses. It probably will be added to the movement because of inclusion, diversity, progressive thinking and what else may come along with it.

Now, there's also other ones like; People who sexually love animals, People who love dead people, People who marry anime characters, Trans-Racial People and so on. Like you say, no one really chooses their sexuality.

58 genders apparently exist so anything can happen, I guess.

Anyway, anyone who's gay, lesbian, trans or bisexual is fine and I don't give a flying fuck but you got to realize your common sense goes against yourself and people fucked in the head are free to exploit your own logic to get in and make it legal.

 

[FAST6191]

I dare say you are the one with flawed logic.

While I am not entirely convinced that nobody chooses, to say nothing of the Kinsey scale, I have no problem believing that most do not.

The thing is though all those covered by gay alphabet soup are not inherently harmful/harmful above baseline (if two gay friends break up we have a consultation with Drs Beam and Daniels just the same as two with opposite genitals sort of thing). By and large the point of the movement is to get that concept recognised, stable and any relevant legal code sorted. I might take arguments to the effect of the militant wing of that is rather larger than the current situation needs but different discussion for a different day.

The matters of which you speak do risk harm to themselves or others and thus can not fall under that. Whatever talk of pedosexual being added you have heard is talk by fucking morons or false flag operations.

It may be that some pull double duty -- I am sure the same person that can talk someone who is gay down from the ledge that has grown up under some kind of religious nonsense can also help someone supplant the desire to touch kids.