Wikileaks reveals shocking documents.

[ManFranceGermany]

I think the liquidation of Julian Assange would send the right message. Our government is obviously too inept to do the job. I hope this clown leaks some Israeli docs. He'd last all of five minutes before the Mossad would kick down his door and stop the leaks forever.

Why? It just shows what your Government thinks about our Governments.
I don't agree with everything Wleaks does, but the truth is better than a lie and your Government lied a lot the last years.

Lies of omission aren't really lies if they're designed to protect.

what about the protection of people living in other countries, like Iran?
This people have the same right of security like u and me.
Not to forget that your Government said Iraq has Mass destruction Weapons, which was a lie too.

 

[OrR]

I'm surprised the CIA hasn't assassinated this guy already.

That would be the point at which I'd call people together to go burn some American flags. Coming from the middle of Europe, that would generate some embarassing TV imagery. Also, some more competent people might be provoked into thinking about how to kill Americans in large numbers. The CIA probably want to avoid that.

 

[_Chaz_]

Crazy stuff. Stuff like this and the attack on South Korea are not what we need right now.

I don't believe that this kind of thing is ever needed, or even remotely wanted by most.

 

[SubliminalSegue]

This really, honestly, isn't surprising. And frankly, I'm not worried. What I'm more concerned about is why our US government is too big of a weeping pussy to alarm it's citizens. Yeah, it'll cause riots, but at least they aren't...I dunno, LYING to us.

Everytime I read shit like this, I shrug it off. No, it doesn't mean WWIII, it doesn't mean that nukes are going to go off...as the infamous George Carlin once said, (and it's not a direct quote, mind you) "it's a war based off who can build bigger phallus shaped rocket. It all comes down to who has the biggest dick."

It's stupid. If we shut down other nukes, more will show up. If we don't, people will still complain that they're gonna die.

Shut up, sit down, and enjoy life. Stop worrying about every little thing.

 

[Pliskron]

All the leaks consist of obvious assessments and idle gossip. It's the motives of wikileaks that need to be called into question. Julian Assange has already said he wants to do damage to the US. Since past leaks were so forgettable I don't see anything very damaging here. Any policy wonk will tell you the same stuff as in these leaks. Julian Assange wants to be a star plan and simple. These docs have nothing of use to anyone no matter what side you're on.

 

[MEGAMANTROTSKY]

All the leaks consist of obvious assessments and idle gossip. It's the motives of wikileaks that need to be called into question. Julian Assange has already said he wants to do damage to the US. Since past leaks were so forgettable I don't see anything very damaging here. Any policy wonk will tell you the same stuff as in these leaks. Julian Assange wants to be a star plan and simple. These docs have nothing of use to anyone no matter what side you're on.

I disagree with your assessment of the documents. I find them very useful for exposing the criminality of the American bourgeoisie and the state. Wikileaks is not, of course, without their faults, but calling their motives into question is useless (as far as I can see, it is muckraking). What they have revealed needs to examined and put under the microscope. It is the American government and their enablers that needs to be "called into question."

 

[monkat]

It is the American government and their enablers that needs to be "called into question."

I'm not sure what needs to be questioned? Potential motives for each thing are pretty easily predicted.

 

[SubliminalSegue]

It is the American government and their enablers that needs to be "called into question."

I'm not sure what needs to be questioned? Potential motives for each thing are pretty easily predicted.

.......Reeeeeeeealllyy......

As Ricky would say "You got some 'splainin to do."

 

[Canonbeat234]

All the leaks consist of obvious assessments and idle gossip. It's the motives of wikileaks that need to be called into question. Julian Assange has already said he wants to do damage to the US. Since past leaks were so forgettable I don't see anything very damaging here. Any policy wonk will tell you the same stuff as in these leaks. Julian Assange wants to be a star plan and simple. These docs have nothing of use to anyone no matter what side you're on.

A 'fucking' men! There's a reason why the truth of 9/11 came out a few years later and not like in 2002. The information was too sensitive and it would have cause a backlash at the government for not protecting the American people. Why do we depend on them so much? Sure the government keeps the balances in check, I can't say the government did any useful besides that Health Reform...or going to the military for that matter.

 

[MEGAMANTROTSKY]

It is the American government and their enablers that needs to be "called into question."

I'm not sure what needs to be questioned? Potential motives for each thing are pretty easily predicted.

I should have been more specific. What needs to be questioned is not simply why there is a war in the Middle East based on false and manipulated testimony, but in whose interests the war is being waged. In response to the USA's declining economic position, the elite of American capitalism is required to expand into other territories, whether those territories want them to or not. Meanwhile, while this elite (the bourgeoisie) is reaping record profits off of the corpse of the their economic opponents and their workers, the media needs to invent justification to forestall an uprising. Several hundred war crimes later, Assange and his organization reveals the truth of these crimes to the general public. Of course, I don't mean to make it sound so simple. There are far more factors involved than what I just listed.

I disagree that these "potential motives pretty easily predicted." The acquisition of super-profits cannot, in the end, explain all of this. Certainly profit is a motive, but above all we should be looking at how far the state and the bourgeoisie will go in order to continue this cycle. Even as we speak, the Obama administration is seeking a way to filter the internet in a way similar to the Chinese state. I assure you that it is not being considered for the interest of the American citizen.

 

[smellyunicorn]

Treason is still a capital crime....right?

 

[MEGAMANTROTSKY]

Treason is still a capital crime....right?

What do you mean?

 

[Law]

Treason is still a capital crime....right?

The guy who runs WikiLeaks isn't American, nor does he live in America.

"In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more serious acts of betrayal of one's sovereign or nation."

Unless you mean members of the government being convicted of treason, which is probably a whole different barrel of apples.

 

[misteromar]

I salute Julian Assange and everyone brave enough to provide wikileaks with docs. Its all stuff anyone with half a brain knows is going on, buts good to have the proof out there and main stream media attention.

I still want to know what is in the insurance file.

 

[RiderLeangle]

Time to dig some bunker and hide inside.
QUOTE(Knyaz Vladimir @ Nov 28 2010, 05:13 PM) Gun? Check. Gas mask? Check. Bunker? Check.

Hey, U.S.- BRING IT ON.

Just got to wonder... If there was some kind of war wiping out humanity... Would you even want to live through that?.. You'd be bored out of your damn mind with everything being destroyed...

 

[TLSS_N]

I assume that, within the coming week.. we will have a finger on who actually launched stuxnet. my guess would probably be that, it was coded by the bush admin, and given to israel shortly before B.O. gained power, That way they knew it would be used if it need to be.

 

[wyndcrosser]

I want to throw my two cents in here.

The information on wikileaks isn't even 100% or even 5% correct, or even valuable intelligence. I was a (erased) for 6yrs, both on the infantry and on higher echelons. Intelligence reports and such documents are those written up by CI specialist (Counter Intel), these reports are from local sources, etc. The sources are not always reliable or even 1% accurate and even we in the field take those individuals with a grain of salt. The fact that these got released as well as SIGACT dairies, is nothing big if you understand the material and what goes into it.

I assume that, within the coming week.. we will have a finger on who actually launched stuxnet. my guess would probably be that, it was coded by the bush admin, and given to israel shortly before B.O. gained power, That way they knew it would be used if it need to be.

People like you are what cause topics like this to blow up past one page, if you don't understand the world you live in, please don't attempt to document it to the world, and prove to others you are clueless.

It's not funny.

Wynd

 

[TLSS_N]

I assume that, within the coming week.. we will have a finger on who actually launched stuxnet. my guess would probably be that, it was coded by the bush admin, and given to israel shortly before B.O. gained power, That way they knew it would be used if it need to be.

People like you are what cause topics like this to blow up past one page, if you don't understand the world you live in, please don't attempt to document it to the world, and prove to others you are clueless.

It's not funny.

Wynd


I am not going to start anything here, I am just going to try to point out why I think this is 'an educated guess'. If you head on over to debka file you will read right off the bat.

QUOTE

The first batch of WikiLeaks 250,000 diplomatic files released Sunday, Nov. 28, covered five years of private conversations and briefings from 2005 between US embassy diplomats and Israeli security chiefs on Iran and the timeline for a prospective strike against its nuclear program.

do you remember when bush meat up with obama to talk about national security for a couple of hours? could he have informed him about this in advance perhaps? it's to early to tell, like I said. I was making an educated guess.

 

[Maz7006]

Faltering US attempts to prevent Syria from supplying arms to Hezbollah in Lebanon

Wrong

more like Iran.

Just sayin.

 

[Deleted-188346]

Eh, did anybody really think that ANY government is squeaky clean? That there are no dodgy dealings going on? Or ethically questionable activities aren't going on in the background?

This shit is always happening, and nobody has the power to reveal it, stop it, or prevent it.

Now, let's all play some Nintendo.