What in my post do you disagree with? Be specific.As a peasants i disagree. but you being a billionaire I'm sure leaving EU has benefited you a lot.
What in my post do you disagree with? Be specific.As a peasants i disagree. but you being a billionaire I'm sure leaving EU has benefited you a lot.
It's definitely helped to crystallise my wife and I's plans to get out of this country. Just a handful of years, with a bit of luck.It is an amazing success - for the EU that is. It's gonna break the UK, and it will be delicious.
The latest absolute nonsense being: "NI is in a privileged position being in both EU single market and UK!"
Literally anyone who isn't a brain-dead Brexitard, like obviously some people here "but... the whole UK had it..."
"Eh but now NI is the most exciting economic area in the world because of it!" (arguably)
"Again, the UK WAS most exciting economic area in the world IN ITS ENTIRETY BEFORE YOU COLOSSAL IDIOTS RUINED IT"
"[random cope about suvereinity and are cuntry while social and economic substrata of society drop like flies]"
British comedy reigns yet againA bunch of people seemed to think brexit would mean going back to the 'good old days' of 'british is best' and such. Like it was back in the 60s when we produced most of our own goods, were key players in manufacturing, were enjoying a period of rapid economic growth, etc.
Instead we've ended up with the good old strikes and recession of the 70s.
But we seem to be much better at giving the rest of the world something to laugh at nowadays, so there is that I spose.
When we made shit stuff, but had kept the rest of the world in their place by stealing from them and installing corrupt governments, so they couldn't develop and compete with us.A bunch of people seemed to think brexit would mean going back to the 'good old days' of 'british is best' and such. Like it was back in the 60s when we produced most of our own goods, were key players in manufacturing, were enjoying a period of rapid economic growth, etc.
Sounds like the USA.When we made shit stuff, but had kept the rest of the world in their place by stealing from them and installing corrupt governments, so they couldn't develop and compete with us.
It is an amazing success - for the EU that is. It's gonna break the UK, and it will be delicious.
If the 60s is the timeline for your quoted part then not by that point. The we'll take your cotton and sell you back cloth that you are effectively forbidden from making scheme (good times) had long since ended by that point (the Suez crisis was 1956 and that pretty much ended status as serious world power, cloth going way before then), anything after that was stuff like Argentine steel which is more of a financial concern/shenanigans that goes on to this day (what else are MI6 and the world's other foreign intelligence services going to do with their time?).When we made shit stuff, but had kept the rest of the world in their place by stealing from them and installing corrupt governments, so they couldn't develop and compete with us.
There are some seriously disturbed leave voters out there.
Wonderful comment. So much online discussion is polarised to the Nth degree that it's lovely to read something so nuanced and thoughtful. Just wanted to say that.Why? EU benefits from the strength of the union. Losing a member is not great for the whole. You can argue that a specific country may have benefitted, like Germany gaining some business players that the UK lost, but as a whole, the net market is smaller.
You can claim that we can have some schadenfreude after decades of the EU being made the scapegoat for most things bad in the UK, but it's more sad than anything else. This only benefits those who propagated that lie: the politicians and rich people (including a certain Australia media mogul and living societal cancer) that will make use of the deregulation and they can get away with now. The poor people that believed that lie that came from their representatives and their media will be the ones to suffer.
And yet it could be so much better here without massive upheaval. We've gone so far off course and for what?With or without Brexit, UK will always be a shit hole.
To enrich the Tories and the ImBrexiles. Off the skin of commoners.We've gone so far off course and for what?
It killed off anti EU sentiment and is bringing a significant amount of humble pie to a nation that for too long thought itself special and was treated as such.Why? EU benefits from the strength of the union. Losing a member is not great for the whole. You can argue that a specific country may have benefitted, like Germany gaining some business players that the UK lost, but as a whole, the net market is smaller.
None of this matters as long as the Brexit ImBrexile (swing) voters are coddled and treated as the most special voters ever. Seriously, I've never seen such a category that did so much harm be treated as if they were some sort of misguided heroes. Clearly democracy doesn't work if it can't even have the honesty to tell voters "you EFFED up". What a whole bunch of massive NPC snowflakes with fragile egos and none of the beauty and uniqueness of real snowflakes.Euroscepticism and anti EU sentiments (not necessarily the same thing -- the EU is the EU, Europe is something else) are still alive and well, including within the EU. To what extent they are enjoyed by the less invested in the concept* that might have gone along with something in the hopes it might have yielded some good and some bad, or be helmed by competent negotiators by people with a clue is a different matter.
Has done nicely for revealing all politicians of all stripes to be self serving if not morons then hands tied stagnation enjoyers. I can only hope it sticks this time but not like ample evidence of that has existed for decades, and centuries if you dig, millennia if you read between the lines.
*if Labour or some successor party (or at least a new leader) gets back in next time (likely enough, though not as likely/landslide like as it was a few months ago), even with a clear majority and no troubles with coalitions then movements back towards the EU would have to be very calculated. If by some miracle the EU said "yeah that was a trip, welcome back in as it was before" (maybe with a pay us the dues you missed and/or minor sit it out/observer only until next cycle) then maybe there would be enough support. https://assets.publishing.service.g...502291/54284_EU_Series_No1_Web_Accessible.pdf for the general state of play there for those that might have forgotten in the years since.
If the EU on the other hand plays hard ball (and barring some truly big debt crisis, war that matters, plague or humanitarian crisis it is the assumed path they would take, and said troubles would have to also be low enough to not be charity on the part of the UK) then when Labour turns around and presents that to a public vote (even if they could legally force it through then whether they should is a different matter) I doubt you will get everybody bar a few high tories and very old school labour saying yep.
Likewise campaigning on a "we are going back head held low" platform would be suicidal, or at best massively counterproductive if they wanted a comfortable majority within the country.
A middle path is unlikely to happen either -- The Republic of Ireland would probably block Schengen, I can't imagine getting rid of the pound is going to fly in the slightest and at that point you are almost back to original position.
Likewise if there is any movement on the canzuk thing and that comes with provisos against the EU (unlikely for Canada, rather more for Australia and NZ) then massive spanner in the works.