opinions on teaching about lgbtq+ in school

[Bunjolio]

And I am saying, trans women are men, and trans men are women. End of story. It isn't about putting myself in the position of someone experiencing their own fantasy that conflicts with reality.

There is no "phobia" here. I am not unreasonably fearful of a man who thinks he is a woman. I simply do not agree that he can ever BE a woman. And that's perfectly okay. Accept that not everyone agrees with you.

It's your own issue if you care that much what other people THINK. I can THINK whatever I want, just like you.

It becomes your issue if someone tries to harm you, or deny you your personal liberty to pursue happiness. You do NOT get to dictate to me or anyone else that we MUST agree that Dylan Mulvaney is a woman, simply because he THINKS he is (when he still has a functioning penis and testicles).

It's pretty simple. Got cock? Then you're a dude. Not a woman.

Cheers.

holy moly you really are a bigot..

 

[Dark_Ansem]

I already gave more detail - https://gbatemp.net/threads/opinions-on-teaching-about-lgbtq-in-school.640034/page-20#post-10251653

Shh you don't want to embarrass the hater gay basher with stories that put "his" lies to shame...

 

[Acid_Snake]

You abused a loophole, do you want a medal?

What loophole did I abuse? You probably don't even know US laws.

Also FYI: if you were really a refugee (doubtful) then you were there legally.

I never said I was there illegally, you're the one who assumed that because you don't know any better. I only said that I was never a resident nor had any other papers aside from the ones of my home country, and I nobody deported me.

I wouldn't be caught dead saying something like that, as it would be against my entire interests.

Oh so now you're against inmigration? When you were openly bashing Republicans for being biggots and deporting people back then? Damn son you change political sides faster than Taylor Swift changes boyfriends.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

I never said I was there illegally, you're the one who assumed that because you don't know any better. I only said that I was never a resident nor had any other papers aside from the ones of my home country, and I nobody deported me.

You may want to re-read the lies you write for your cheap attention seeking Thrill. It is almost like you're deliberately misleading people with half-truths and full lies about your *riveting* life story, as exciting as watching rainfall.

Oh so now you're against inmigration? When you were openly bashing Republicans for being biggots and deporting people back then? Damn son you change political sides faster than Taylor Swift changes boyfriends

I never said that either. But hey, I understand subtleties escape you, just like obvious things.

 

[mrdude]

I already gave more detail - https://gbatemp.net/threads/opinions-on-teaching-about-lgbtq-in-school.640034/page-20#post-10251653

Dude, I never read all that. To be fair when I was at college there were deaf people there and I just wrote stuff down when talking to them. I wished I could speak sign language at the time as there was this cute deaf chick that I quite fancied, alas though my course finished and so did my time with acquainting with deaf people. I sometimes see them when I am out shopping and stuff though signing to other deaf people. I've often thought that it must be a bit mental watching people dancing when you are deaf - they must look like idiots.

 

[WalterSlovotsky]

holy moly you really are a bigot..

I showed this before, but I will explain it again. A bigot is someone who refuses to even entertain an idea contrary to one they firmly hold.

If any of you can present an argument stronger than my belief, or something that aligns more closely with the truth, I will immediately abandon my old way of thinking.

It is not my fault that none of you has a solid argument to overcome "Men have a Y chromsome, and if they are healthy, a healthy set of dick-and-balls that can make babies".

MY stance doesn't relate to, depend on, or even acknowledge feelings. It seems that for a lot of people, perhaps you, included, feelings are all that matters.

I consider it awfully bigoted to choose your FEELINGS over scientific fact, and the idea that your FEELINGS are enough for you to insult other people who don't agree with you. I have never once insulted you and have no plans to do so. We're having a nice discussion, here. Please stop insulting me.

 

[Bunjolio]

I showed this before, but I will explain it again. A bigot is someone who refuses to even entertain an idea contrary to one they firmly hold.

If any of you can present an argument stronger than my belief, or something that aligns more closely with the truth, I will immediately abandon my old way of thinking.

It is not my fault that none of you has a solid argument to overcome "Men have a Y chromsome, and if they are healthy, a healthy set of dick-and-balls that can make babies".

MY stance doesn't relate to, depend on, or even acknowledge feelings. It seems that for a lot of people, perhaps you, included, feelings are all that matters.

I consider it awfully bigoted to choose your FEELINGS over scientific fact, and the idea that your FEELINGS are enough for you to insult other people who don't agree with you. I have never once insulted you and have no plans to do so. We're having a nice discussion, here. Please stop insulting me.

i get your opinion, but your opinion is wrong.

 

[supermist]

Bigots don't like it when we don't use politically correct language towards them.

 

[WalterSlovotsky]

i get your opinion, but your opinion is wrong.

Which are your feelings talking, unless you can provide evidence to support that argument. Can't just cross your arms, stick out your tongue, and say "YOU'RE WRONG, you BIGOT!".

I am all ears.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Which are your feelings talking, unless you can provide evidence to support that argument. Can't just cross your arms, stick out your tongue, and say "YOU'RE WRONG, you BIGOT!".

I am all ears.

Don't bother providing evidence to Walter. It has a reputation for making flamebait threads just to rile people.

 

[Bunjolio]

Which are your feelings talking, unless you can provide evidence to support that argument. Can't just cross your arms, stick out your tongue, and say "YOU'RE WRONG, you BIGOT!".

I am all ears.

ok so, lets say a trans person is so far along in their transition where you cant tell that they were once a man or once a woman, do you still consider them the sex they were born as? Lets say you saw a trans girl walking and you didnt know? If they were cute you would probably be like, "oh a cute girl/woman!"

 

[WalterSlovotsky]

Don't bother providing evidence to Walter. It has a reputation for making flamebait threads just to rile people.

Out of morbid curiosity, I chose to show ignored content.

I am not missing much. Just reminding you; I never see anything you run your mouth about, kiddo. My life is better with you on ignore. You never have anything to say in the first place.

Why don't you simply block me and move on from your obsession? Thirsty for those juicy, sweet Likes on a gaming forum?

Sigh. This is why I don't look into the septic tank very often. It's always the same shit.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Out of morbid curiosity, I chose to show ignored content.

I am not missing much. Just reminding you; I never see anything you run your mouth about, kiddo. My life is better with you on ignore. You never have anything to say in the first place.

Why don't you simply block me and move on from your obsession? Thirsty for those juicy, sweet Likes on a gaming forum?

Sigh. This is why I don't look into the septic tank very often. It's always the same shit.

You're obsessed and a bit on the Creepy side. Also, only truths from me.

 

[WalterSlovotsky]

ok so, lets say a trans person is so far along in their transition where you cant tell that they were once a man or once a woman, do you still consider them the sex they were born as? Lets say you saw a trans girl walking and you didnt know? If they were cute you would probably be like, "oh a cute girl/woman!"

Yes. You cannot transition. That pesky Adam's Apple is a dead giveaway.

Studies have been done, repeatedly, that show that human beings, across the planet, can correctly identify a person's natural gender from a still photo, with higher than 90% accuracy.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8474840/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6344795/

https://www.bumc.bu.edu/camed/2019/...the-sex-of-skeletons-based-on-elbow-features/

Peer-reviewed study, for everyone who wants to deny science.

A male can never be a female. A female can never be a male.

BUT, both have the right and the liberty to feel how they want, and to present themselves or express themselves however they want. I will fight and die for Dylan Mulvaney's RIGHT to call himself a woman. I just will never, ever call him "ma'am", or consider him anything but male.

That is completely fair. Do as you will. Do no harm to others. Allow everyone their own choices and their own liberty, and don't force your views on others. Live and let live.

Can't be more fair than that. I don't have to agree with you.

 

[KingVamp]

Forgot to mention.

At SCHOOL. Where you can get shot in a mass shooting any day of the week, and where teachers and staff are already so overworked that most of them do not give a shit about you.

Well, if people stop voting for these hateful and greedy politicians, we could reduce gun deaths, fund teachers better and, yes, help reduce the bullying of LGBT people.

What about the hips, though? What about vaginal muscles that make child-birth possible? What about providing nutrients to the child in utero? The male anatomy is not equipped for any of this, even if you transition from male to female. You simply don't have the parts to make this motor run.

You don't think the people that are working on this, aren't thinking of these things?

Not being a dick. Pure, objective, neutral science. A man, born a man, who transitions later in life, simply is not capable of doing what a woman, born a woman, is able to do, under normal healthy circumstance.

The healthiest male on the planet could still never do what a woman can do. No surgery will ever make that possible.

AGAIN, not being a dick. Cold facts.

I'm sure people didn't think we have uterus implants, and now we do. Not even every female have the perfect "motor" for birth. In fact, some are infertile.

Yes. You cannot transition. That pesky Adam's Apple is a dead giveaway.

Adam's apple reduction surgery.

 

[WalterSlovotsky]

Forgot to mention.

Well, if people stop voting for these hateful and greedy politicians, we could reduce gun deaths, fund teachers better and, yes, help reduce the bullying of LGBT people.


You don't think the people that are working on this, aren't thinking of these things?


I'm sure people didn't think we have uterus implants, and now we do. Not even every female have the perfect "motor" for birth. In fact, some are infertile.

Which is why I was careful to qualify my definition of "male", with the statement "born healthy, with no birth defects".

I understand that there are conditions that would prevent either male or female human beings from being able to participate in natural reproduction.

Those are anomalies, though. If they were not anomalies, mankind would never have survived. MOST males and females, born healthy with no birth defects, will match the definitions of "male" and "female", and even if they HAVE birth defects, are born sans testes or without ovaries, are still, essentially, either men or women. Unless they are one of the 1,500-2,000 live births that are actual intersex, or were born with Klinefelter's Syndrome.

I am not uneducated on this. I refuse to argue anything I haven't studied, myself.

MOST, as in more than 95% of all humans, will be male or female, from birth, and that will not change, no matter what they do to their natural bodies later in life, by means of voluntary hormone treatments or invasive, mutilative, irreversible surgery.

None of this should be a decision that a child is mature enough to make. Leave the kids out of it.

SURGERY TO ALTER YOUR BODY IS NOT NATURAL. Especially when it is cosmetic or elective, with the sole purpose of altering one's outward appearance.

If I knew someone was getting surgery to get taller (which is a thing), then they would eventually be six feet tall, if that was what they were going for. They would PHYSICALLY be taller. But it wouldn't be natural, and is just artifice.

Just like "gender-affirming therapy". It is artificial, not natural, and not something I am in support of.

But I would never in my life try to stop you from doing what makes you happy. I simply don't feel like playing along.

Where is the harm in that? Does the whole world have to agree with you before YOU feel validated?

I would offer that you should care far less what other people think about you, and just do what pleases YOU. Fuck anyone else's opinions. If they don't matter, why do they matter so much?

Especially to folks who aren't "trans" and never planned to transition in the first place. You literally and figuratively have no skin in this game. You just want to virtue signal, and it's getting old.

You can signal your virtue without bashing others. I'm not bashing ANYONE. I am just stating why I don't agree with this cult mentality behind the idea that you can choose your gender, and that everyone else has to obey your FEELINGS.

No one is special, and your feelings are no more valid, and no less, than anyone else's.

So maybe EVERYONE just shut the fuck up and let other people live. How about THAT?

 

[Bunjolio]

Forgot to mention.

Well, if people stop voting for these hateful and greedy politicians, we could reduce gun deaths, fund teachers better and, yes, help reduce the bullying of LGBT people.


You don't think the people that are working on this, aren't thinking of these things?


I'm sure people didn't think we have uterus implants, and now we do. Not even every female have the perfect "motor" for birth. In fact, some are infertile.


Adam's apple reduction surgery.

there is so many resources for trans people, its awesome

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Yes. You cannot transition. That pesky Adam's Apple is a dead giveaway.

Studies have been done, repeatedly, that show that human beings, across the planet, can correctly identify a person's natural gender from a still photo, with higher than 90% accuracy.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8474840/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6344795/

https://www.bumc.bu.edu/camed/2019/...the-sex-of-skeletons-based-on-elbow-features/

Peer-reviewed study, for everyone who wants to deny science.

A male can never be a female. A female can never be a male.

BUT, both have the right and the liberty to feel how they want, and to present themselves or express themselves however they want. I will fight and die for Dylan Mulvaney's RIGHT to call himself a woman. I just will never, ever call him "ma'am", or consider him anything but male.

That is completely fair. Do as you will. Do no harm to others. Allow everyone their own choices and their own liberty, and don't force your views on others. Live and let live.

Can't be more fair than that. I don't have to agree with you.

i have seen people online where i cannot determine their original sex.

Post automatically merged: Sep 21, 2023

Yes. You cannot transition. That pesky Adam's Apple is a dead giveaway.

Studies have been done, repeatedly, that show that human beings, across the planet, can correctly identify a person's natural gender from a still photo, with higher than 90% accuracy.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8474840/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6344795/

https://www.bumc.bu.edu/camed/2019/...the-sex-of-skeletons-based-on-elbow-features/

Peer-reviewed study, for everyone who wants to deny science.

A male can never be a female. A female can never be a male.

BUT, both have the right and the liberty to feel how they want, and to present themselves or express themselves however they want. I will fight and die for Dylan Mulvaney's RIGHT to call himself a woman. I just will never, ever call him "ma'am", or consider him anything but male.

That is completely fair. Do as you will. Do no harm to others. Allow everyone their own choices and their own liberty, and don't force your views on others. Live and let live.

Can't be more fair than that. I don't have to agree with you.

so you support a trans persons rights for her to call herself a female, but wont support her and instead misgender her?

 

[WalterSlovotsky]

so you support a trans persons rights for her to call herself a female, but wont support her and instead misgender her?

I support a trans person's right to call himself or herself whatever he or she pleases, 100%. I would NEVER deny them that. It's not my place. Their body, their rules. I don't owe them any "support" whatsoever. Only non-interference. I owe them the same respect I would wish to receive, which is to leave them alone to their own devices. No pun intended.

I also support my liberty to refuse to play along with them. I am GENDERING them, not MISGENDERING them. They are the ones misgendering themselves. Which, again, I am fine with.

Just allow me the liberty and freedom to opt out. I refuse to play the pronoun game, and no one will ever force me against my will to play along with others.

I refuse to lie, under any circumstance, and for me to refer to Dylan Mulvaney, for example, as a woman, that would be me lying. I will not. I refuse. I say NO.

The compromise is simply, stop making a big deal out of it. Stop bringing it up. It isn't that important to anyone who doesn't live their entire lives viewing the world through the lens of their sexuality, first and foremost. Life is SO much more than sex, sexuality or gender, but for SOME folks, it's literally everything to them, and it's all they have so they feel unique and special.

Can't I just say, "You go play your game. I am not interested. Have a great time, though!"?

Isn't that alright? Isn't that fair?

 

[Bunjolio]

I support a trans person's right to call himself or herself whatever he or she pleases, 100%. I would NEVER deny them that. It's not my place. Their body, their rules.

I also support my liberty to refuse to play along with them. I am GENDERING them, not MISGENDERING them. They are the ones misgendering themselves. Which, again, I am fine with.

Just allow me the liberty and freedom to opt out. I refuse to play the pronoun game, and no one will ever force me against my will to play along with others.

I refuse to lie, under any circumstance, and for me to refer to Dylan Mulvaney, for example, as a woman, that would be me lying. I will not. I refuse. I say NO.

The compromise is simply, stop making a big deal out of it. Stop bringing it up. It isn't that important to anyone who doesn't live their entire lives viewing the world through the lens of their sexuality, first and foremost. Life is SO much more than sex, sexuality or gender, but for SOME folks, it's literally everything to them, and it's all they have so they feel unique and special.

Can't I just say, "You go play your game. I am not interested. Have a great time, though!"?

Isn't that alright? Isn't that fair?

Many trans people were born in the wrong body. By callign them by the sex they were born as, you are misgendering them. Maybe you should be a decent human being!

 

[WalterSlovotsky]

Many trans people were born in the wrong body. By callign them by the sex they were born as, you are misgendering them. Maybe you should be a decent human being!

No one has ever been born in the wrong body. Your body is your own, and you should learn to not hate it, if not love it.

It is impossible to misgender anyone. It IS possible to accurately gender someone.

I find it lacking in decency to force others to agree with you, based on your feelings.

If they tried to pass a law in the United States that would prohibit adults from getting "gender-affirming therapy", I would fight that tooth-and-nail. I would be right there in a rainbow shirt sucking on a rainbow Push Pop with a huge rainbow dildo that I was swinging around like a morning star about to go to battle.

Right there witcha, homie. When it comes to law and legislation, I am 100% your ally.

When it comes to PERSONAL action and decision and thought, though? I retain my right to liberty, and no one is going to tell me how to think. I WILL protect you and fight for you, for your liberty and bodily autonomy, to the death. All day. No question.

But you aren't going to try to force me to call a man a woman. Period. If you get to choose, so do I.

I'll fight for you to call YOURSELF a woman. I just won't and don't have to agree with you, or play along with you. You do what makes YOU happy, and leave me alone, too. Let me call a spade a spade, and don't get butthurt about it if I don't dance to your song selection.

THAT. IS. FAIR.