The war on gay kids: "Give 'em a good punch"

[koimayeul]

I think I'll raise my sons on Professor Layton games so they will grow up to be perfect English gentlemen. Then I'll have no need to worry about them ever being gay.

Say I do have a gay son, which I almost was at one point, my line of thinking isn't that "You're gay at birth or you're not." Sexuality is a choice, and I'm not going to reject any homosexuals in my family. I'm just going to point them to Jesus and hopefully their journey with Him will change things. I'm not going to punch my children.

lol people still believe being gay is a choice.
It was proven ages ago, you're born gay or straight. You can't raise someone straight, you can just oppress a gay child into being so (which causes a remarkable amount of mental scaring, I might add).
Being confused about your sexuality is COMPLETELY different.

When the first original couple of human beings are male and female it leave no place to being born homosexual, just saying.

 

[Foxi4]

lol people still believe being gay is a choice.
It was proven ages ago, you're born gay or straight.

No you're not - it's a matter of chemical balance during growing up and influences of the society around you that builds a person's personality, sexuality and gender awareness. You're born a blank slate with no characteristic features whatsoever other than natural instincts.

Althought neither of the theories were scientifically proven as you claim.

 

[Zero Aurion]

Everybody who thinks sexuality is a choice, i want to know 2 things:
1. Why in thee blue hell would anybody choose to be hated by the majority of the world
2. When exactly did you decide to be what ever your sexual orientation is?

 

[MelodieOctavia]

I think I'll raise my sons on Professor Layton games so they will grow up to be perfect English gentlemen. Then I'll have no need to worry about them ever being gay.

Say I do have a gay son, which I almost was at one point, my line of thinking isn't that "You're gay at birth or you're not." Sexuality is a choice, and I'm not going to reject any homosexuals in my family. I'm just going to point them to Jesus and hopefully their journey with Him will change things. I'm not going to punch my children.

lol people still believe being gay is a choice.
It was proven ages ago, you're born gay or straight. You can't raise someone straight, you can just oppress a gay child into being so (which causes a remarkable amount of mental scaring, I might add).
Being confused about your sexuality is COMPLETELY different.

When the first original couple of human beings are male and female it leave no place to being born homosexual, just saying.

And I suppose you believe there is no homosexuality in nature either? Please. The "gay gene" has been found, it has been proven that it's something you're born with.

 

[Kioku]

...all I got out of that was that he's an ignorant twit..

 

[Foxi4]

And I suppose you believe there is no homosexuality in nature either? Please. The "gay gene" has been found, it has been proven that it's something you're born with.

Chromosome linkage studies

Chromosome linkage studies of sexual orientation have indicated the presence of multiple contributing genetic factors throughout the genome. In 1993, Dean Hamer and colleagues published findings from a linkage analysis of a sample of 76 gay brothers and their families. Hamer et al. found that the gay men had more gay male uncles and cousins on the maternal side of the family than on the paternal side. Gay brothers who showed this maternal pedigree were then tested for X chromosome linkage, using twenty-two markers on the X chromosome to test for similar alleles. In another finding, thirty-three of the forty sibling pairs tested were found to have similar alleles in the distal region of Xq28, which was significantly higher than the expected rates of 50% for fraternal brothers. This was popularly dubbed as the 'gay gene' in the media, causing significant controversy. Sanders et al. in 1998 reported on their similar study, in which they found that 13% of uncles of gay brothers on the maternal side were homosexual, compared to 6% on the paternal side.

A later analysis by Hu et al. replicated and refined the earlier findings. This study revealed that 67% of gay brothers in a new saturated sample shared a marker on the X chromosome at Xq28.Although two other studies (Bailey et al., 1999; McKnight and Malcolm, 2000) failed to find a preponderance of gay relatives in the maternal line of homosexual men, a rigorous replication of the maternal loading was reported on samples in Italy in England. One study by Rice et al. in 1999 failed to replicate the Xq28 linkage results. Meta-analysis of all available linkage data indicates a significant link to Xq28, but also indicates that additional genes must be present to account for the full heritability of sexual orientation. A recent study of 894 heterosexual and 694 homosexual men found no evidence of sex linkage.

Saying that "Gay" or "Hetero" is herreditary is like saying that black males have a biological inclination towards criminal activity or that asians are genetically worse drivers. There may be some genetic links, however they are not always present and they come in various combinations. People may be more or less inclined towards either side but it's the period of puberty that's the very epicenter of instilling a given sexuality. Nobody has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that sexuality is hereditary in any way.

 

[Sicklyboy]

Only sins to me are to deny the freedom of others and act against your own ideals.

I side with skellotonike views on the subject wholeheartedly. Also, parents are not to be loved by their kids but to raise them into proper sentient human beings. Period.

I have nothing against homosexuals, one of my best friends is actually gay, however, personally I wouldn't want my kids to be gay, and no friggin way in hell would I let them do girlish stuff, while they're my kids and at my place, they'll behave like they should, once they're adults then they can be whatever they want. xP

Because that's totally not denying others freedom and acting against their own ideals.

You're basically saying that if your son is born gay, you're going to raise them saying "once you're out of my house, you can love whoever you want to love, even if it is others of the same sex. Until then, though, you're liking members of the opposite sex whether you like it or not."

That's not something that you're just like "Oh, well, dad says I'm not allowed to like other boys, so I guess I'll try to be interested in girls even though I don't find any attractive qualities in them." It just doesn't work like that.

Also: anyone making a pool on how soon this all is going to get locked or deleted?

 

[Zero Aurion]

I love how ppl are avoiding my questions... you know why? Because they know they're wrong and they can't answer when they made the choice of their sexual orientation and why one would want to be hated by the majority of the worlds population

 

[MelodieOctavia]

And I suppose you believe there is no homosexuality in nature either? Please. The "gay gene" has been found, it has been proven that it's something you're born with.

Chromosome linkage studies

Chromosome linkage studies of sexual orientation have indicated the presence of multiple contributing genetic factors throughout the genome. In 1993, Dean Hamer and colleagues published findings from a linkage analysis of a sample of 76 gay brothers and their families. Hamer et al. found that the gay men had more gay male uncles and cousins on the maternal side of the family than on the paternal side. Gay brothers who showed this maternal pedigree were then tested for X chromosome linkage, using twenty-two markers on the X chromosome to test for similar alleles. In another finding, thirty-three of the forty sibling pairs tested were found to have similar alleles in the distal region of Xq28, which was significantly higher than the expected rates of 50% for fraternal brothers. This was popularly dubbed as the 'gay gene' in the media, causing significant controversy. Sanders et al. in 1998 reported on their similar study, in which they found that 13% of uncles of gay brothers on the maternal side were homosexual, compared to 6% on the paternal side.

A later analysis by Hu et al. replicated and refined the earlier findings. This study revealed that 67% of gay brothers in a new saturated sample shared a marker on the X chromosome at Xq28.Although two other studies (Bailey et al., 1999; McKnight and Malcolm, 2000) failed to find a preponderance of gay relatives in the maternal line of homosexual men, a rigorous replication of the maternal loading was reported on samples in Italy in England. One study by Rice et al. in 1999 failed to replicate the Xq28 linkage results. Meta-analysis of all available linkage data indicates a significant link to Xq28, but also indicates that additional genes must be present to account for the full heritability of sexual orientation. A recent study of 894 heterosexual and 694 homosexual men found no evidence of sex linkage.

Saying that "Gay" or "Hetero" is herreditary is like saying that black males have a biological inclination towards criminal activity or that asians are genetically worse drivers. There may be some genetic links, however they are not always present and they come in various combinations. People may be more or less inclined towards either side but it's the period of puberty that's the very epicenter of instilling a given sexuality. Nobody has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that sexuality is hereditary in any way.

Interesting. I don't mind being proven wrong. But the fact of the matter is, no one chooses their sexuality. They are born with it.

 

[Foxi4]

Interesting. I don't mind being proven wrong. But the fact of the matter is, no one chooses their sexuality. They are born with it.

That's simply not true. You may be born with an inclination towards either but at the end of the day, you are shaped by that what is around you and your own hormone production. Some produce more masculine hormones, some produce less. Some produce more feminene hormones, some produce less. The balance between those is the determinant of sexuality which is established during the period of puberty.

Ever heard of any 3-4 year old boys going all "oh, I am so gay for Leonardo Di Caprio" or girls saying "See that girl? Dat ass!"? No, you didn't because their bodies are not mass-producing hormones yet and their sexuality is non-existant. In most cases they don't care about the gender but the social constructs around them determine their approach towards their female/male friends.

 

[nryn99]

i don't think you are born with it, and i don't think you can choose to be gay either.

you grow up as one.

edit: foxi4's explanation is good.

 

[gamefan5]

God help the next person who derails this thread into an offtopic bitchy little flame war.

Hahaha. What did you expect? It's kind of a highly controversial subject XD.

As for me, If I'm a christian but If I found that my kids were gay. I would support them.

 

[MelodieOctavia]

Just saying, even if it was a choice, I would support my son in that decision. Curbing bad behavior is one thing, curbing sexuality is a completely different animal.

 

[matt382]

Everybody who thinks sexuality is a choice, i want to know 2 things:
1. Why in thee blue hell would anybody choose to be hated by the majority of the world
2. When exactly did you decide to be what ever your sexual orientation is?

To answer your first question.. They aren't choosing to be hated by the world, they are choosing to have a relationship towards the same gender.

Personally I think people are gay because they feel more comfort and connection being with the same gender, than the opposite gender.

EDIT:
In all fairness, to think that the main focus of homosexuality is the fact that they could be hated is slightly ignorant.

 

[notmeanymore]

I think I'll raise my sons on Professor Layton games so they will grow up to be perfect English gentlemen. Then I'll have no need to worry about them ever being gay.

Say I do have a gay son, which I almost was at one point, my line of thinking isn't that "You're gay at birth or you're not." Sexuality is a choice, and I'm not going to reject any homosexuals in my family. I'm just going to point them to Jesus and hopefully their journey with Him will change things. I'm not going to punch my children.

Being a homosexual is a choice? Why in the hell would anybody choose to be hated by the majority of the world's population? If you believe sexuality to be a choice... tell me, at what point did you decide to be straight?

Why? For love. What more reason could they need?

As for when I decided to be straight, 13 or 14. Past generations this wasn't as clear cut a choice as it is now. Homosexuality is so pervasive in our culture that the question is asked to people who wouldn't have otherwise considered it to begin with.

 

[DarkShinigami]

and once again i loose faith in humanity(crap my faith in humanity is getting so small it'd be best not to use that statement)

 

[nando]

Interesting. I don't mind being proven wrong. But the fact of the matter is, no one chooses their sexuality. They are born with it.

That's simply not true. You may be born with an inclination towards either but at the end of the day, you are shaped by that what is around you and your own hormone production. Some produce more masculine hormones, some produce less. Some produce more feminene hormones, some produce less. The balance between those is the determinant of sexuality which is established during the period of puberty.

Ever heard of any 3-4 year old boys going all "oh, I am so gay for Leonardo Di Caprio" or girls saying "See that girl? Dat ass!"? No, you didn't because their bodies are not mass-producing hormones yet and their sexuality is non-existant. In most cases they don't care about the gender but the social constructs around them determine their approach towards their female/male friends.

you seriously think hormones decide your sexuality? then explain bears (not the animals but the gay men that are huge and hairy), how could they possibly be producing too much estrogen? what specific hormones are you talking about?

 

[Foxi4]

you seriously think hormones decide your sexuality? then explain bears (not the animals but the gay men that are huge and hairy), how could they possibly be producing too much estrogen? what specific hormones are you talking about?

It's not about the amounts of each but about the balance between them, and you missed the part about "during the period of puberty". Simpifying matters of sexuality to genetics is a crime againts reason.

 

[koimayeul]

Because that's totally not denying others freedom and acting against their own ideals.

You're basically saying that if your son is born gay, you're going to raise them saying "once you're out of my house, you can love whoever you want to love, even if it is others of the same sex. Until then, though, you're liking members of the opposite sex whether you like it or not."

That's not something that you're just like "Oh, well, dad says I'm not allowed to like other boys, so I guess I'll try to be interested in girls even though I don't find any attractive qualities in them." It just doesn't work like that.

Also: anyone making a pool on how soon this all is going to get locked or deleted?

Freedom as adults for sure. As growing kids not so much as the world we live in is a dangerous place with abducters, killers, rapers, thieves and so forth.. Parents duty to shelter kids from that, until they can deal with it properly. Just think, who would like to tempt the devil with cute naive children in flower dresses; not me that is certain!!

I love how ppl are avoiding my questions... you know why? Because they know they're wrong and they can't answer when they made the choice of their sexual orientation and why one would want to be hated by the majority of the worlds population

That choice is made throughout a person's whole existence as far as self awareness go. About the hate from the majority of the world on gay, or should is say homosexual people as the word gay seem to focus only on male and not female lesbians, it is thankfully and hopefully being more and more accepted.

 

[nando]

you seriously think hormones decide your sexuality? then explain bears (not the animals but the gay men that are huge and hairy), how could they possibly be producing too much estrogen? what specific hormones are you talking about?

It's not about the amounts of each but about the balance between them, and you missed the part about "during the period of puberty". Simpifying matters of sexuality to genetics is a crime againts reason.

most kids know they are gay before puberty hits. i knew i was attracted to men long before that. it has nothing to do with hormones.

i recall when i was about six watching a beer commercial of adults by a swimming pool. i remember noticing a particular man with really hairy legs. i remember liking it very much. i remember knowing it was wrong according to everyone around me. i never talked about it, there was nothing in my environment to encourage me. i simply grew with my internal struggle till i was out on my own. my environment didn't advocate any reason for me to grow up gay. i didn't even know gays really existed, i thought i was on my own.