PS4 Pro announced, launches Nov 10, 2016 for $399

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Sony's mysterious PS4 Neo has been officially revealed as the PS4 Pro, and will be releasing this year on November 10, 2016. The console will cost $399USD/£349GBP, and will support 4K gaming and videos. Playstation VR will get a huge visual boost on the Pro, as well as older games getting "forward support" to allow them to be played in 4K resolution.

:arrow: You can see the entire conference, and GBAtemp's roundup of the event here.
 

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Let's face it, FPS matter, I'd rather have 60FPS over prettier graphics. There is no reason to go to 4k either. Maybe 2k for a giant display, but it's just overkill IMO.
 
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This name doesn't bother me nearly as much as the Wii U. I always hated that name and I think it hurt overall sales of the console by having a name so similar to the name of the console before it. Conversely, the labeling of the New 3DS has never bothered me.

I see why they've gone with it. Wii was meant to be i and i as two people standing together, as well as the obvious homonym to We. The idea was probably that it works well as We, or just U - i.e. more games are about the single player experience as Nintendo were looking to win back some midcore gamers after the perceived casualness of the original Wii, which earlier ports for the system like Human Revolution. Splinter Cell:Blacklist and Arkham City testify to.

But yeah, to wrench back on topic and dial down my Nintendo fanboyish tendencies, PS4 Pro is a crap name. Now we have PSP, PS Plus and PS4P, it's about as dumb as Microsoft choosing the name Xbox One (technically the Xbox Three, after the Three Sixty which was Xbox Two), so we used to call the original Xbox the Xbox 1 and now we can't and reading old forum threads before Xbox One came out can be confusing.

If you have a Wii U in the 1st place you are even below Amateur. The Wii U pro controllers even things out to Amateur level.

Speaking of fanboy things to say... I love it when it's stuff like this. I've played my Wii U more in the two months I've had it than the PS4 in the 18 months I've had that. I care about good games that are fun regardless of platform, and have been sorely disappointed with most of the indie and triple A titles the PS4 has available. I won't renew my PS Plus membership when it expires in January I think, got barely anything out of it.

For the record, I'd consider the Wii U Pro a better controller than my old Xbox 360 ones, the DS3/DS4 but (personal preference) not the GameCube or Xbox Elite controllers.

I'm a bit underwhelmed by this. After the leaked Scorpio specs, I was hoping Sony would boost the specs of the Pro to stay competitive when Microsoft releases the Scorpio in a year. As it stands, the PS4 Pro is going to look dated already in less than a year.

Haha it looks dated now and it's not even been released.

If we're gonna be constantly updating hardware let's all just go PC Master Race... ;-)

They've said they wanted their ecosystems to be a "service," which I can only take to mean new hardware every few years and games that scale across. But that kinda voids the point of a console, y'know? You start getting into Sega territory with screwing over your customers.

I think Micro$oft and $ony are already there, to be honest. I still see Nintendo as focusing more on the experience, game quality and value for money than either of those two, who really have just found more and more efficient ways to monetise their efforts, with Sony sacking off the Vita because they saw the PS4 as a better revenue generator and piled all their weight onto that instead.

I hate companies using horrible empty managementspeak phrases like "Our ecosystem is a tailored service" as well. It's just games, the device to play them on and some online services to tie everything together, let's stop making out like it's some high concept

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-we-built-a-pc-with-playstation-neo-gpu-tech
So yeah, 4K is impossible (except for PSN games, I'm sure PacMan UltraHD will manage 4K) and this is just marketing bullcrap.

Really sad that Sony can get away with misleading customers like that - someone should slap them with another Class Action. It seems they haven't learned anything from the Other OS fiasco.

Sadly enough that's not possible either - the Eurogamer article clearly explains that for Ultra settings the CPU is holding it back and 1080@60fps won't be possible.

Really? Well then I now have zero interest in this. Literally just a conduit for PSVR and fake 4K then. What a crock.
 
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See, they SAY "You can game at 4K!" but what I hear is "We have a shitty 4K upscaling process to make games look marginally better because there's no way in hell we fit a 4K capable GPU into a $400 console"
 

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Don't forget, both the Pro and Scorpio are essentially running underclocked Polaris-based card. They're essentially underclocked RX 470s, which don't even claim to be cards capable of targetting 4K.

Their choice of GPU is completely incompatible with their claims of 4K.
 
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The PlayStation line ever since the PS2 has also been marketed as a general media center, though, so them falling flat on that front is kind of a big deal
the PS4 was NEVER marketed as a media center EVER they actually did exactly the opposite. People are so fickle lol i love it, remember when Xbox One was announced and everyone was like WTF MS FOCUS ON GAMES because they were just marketing it as a football watching machine.

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It's damning when even the Xbox One S has a UHD Blu-Ray drive, however, The Xbox One S isn't even as powerful as the original PS4.
My point exactly, i could care less about watching movies on my gaming console, its a nice secondary feature not vital at all. It's obvious what angle MS is trying to take, their still sticking to the ALL IN ONE media center thing.

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Besides the masses aren't ready for 4k gaming yet, both system are just upscaling and no one owns 4k tvs because it's just not enough of a upgrade. When games are made IN 4K NATIVELY then i'll be interested.
 

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I really can't BELIEVE that it's not even real 4K.
I mean, I know that consoles suck shit and are still underpowered in comparison to PCs, but I really expected, that if they're even gonna go against the most common pro-console argument; "You buy one console and you're safe till the next one" and release a new more powerful model, AT LEAST MAKE THAT POWERFUL. It just blows my mind. They're releasing a completely new unit to render the games at 1440p and then upscale to 4K? Then start a bunch of bullshit about high dynamic rendering as if that's something groundbreaking? Half Life 2 LC did HDR back in 2005..
 

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I really can't BELIEVE that it's not even real 4K.
I mean, I know that consoles suck shit and are still underpowered in comparison to PCs, but I really expected, that if they're even gonna go against the most common pro-console argument; "You buy one console and you're safe till the next one" and release a new more powerful model, AT LEAST MAKE THAT POWERFUL. It just blows my mind. They're releasing a completely new unit to render the games at 1440p and then upscale to 4K? Then start a bunch of bullshit about high dynamic rendering as if that's something groundbreaking? Half Life 2 LC did HDR back in 2005..
Have fun paying $1200 for a console if you seriously expected that
 

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the PS4 was NEVER marketed as a media center EVER they actually did exactly the opposite. People are so fickle lol i love it, remember when Xbox One was announced and everyone was like WTF MS FOCUS ON GAMES because they were just marketing it as a football watching machine.

My point exactly, i could care less about watching movies on my gaming console, its a nice secondary feature not vital at all. It's obvious what angle MS is trying to take, their still sticking to the ALL IN ONE media center thing.

While I agree, what is quite galling is the following :-

  • Sony created Blu-ray.
  • Sony licensed this technology to Microsoft, among others.
  • Microsoft use a UHD Blu-ray drive in their Xbox One S mid-cycle console refresh.
  • The original PS4 doesn't use a UHD Blu-ray drive.
  • The mid-cycle refresh PS4 Pro also doesn't use a UHD Blu-ray drive.

So we're in an interesting position where the creator of the format's flagship consoles don't have UHD Blu-ray drives but it's chief competitor's console does. This is just all kinds of dumb and backwards. So Sony are left with an updated console that as a Blu-ray player is less capable than Microsoft's one, that will also be less powerful than the next version of that console when it comes out within the next 6-8 months, that can't do true 4K gaming and is basically just a glorified conduit for their niche PSVR technology, which (and I'd love to be proved wrong) is likely to be about as popular as Nintendo's Virtual Boy.

Jesus. I thought they were dumb when I saw how they handled the Vita, but this is next generation stupidly. Quite literally.
 
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Have fun paying $1200 for a console if you seriously expected that
I really can't BELIEVE that it's not even real 4K.
I mean, I know that consoles suck shit and are still underpowered in comparison to PCs, but I really expected, that if they're even gonna go against the most common pro-console argument; "You buy one console and you're safe till the next one" and release a new more powerful model, AT LEAST MAKE THAT POWERFUL. It just blows my mind. They're releasing a completely new unit to render the games at 1440p and then upscale to 4K? Then start a bunch of bullshit about high dynamic rendering as if that's something groundbreaking? Half Life 2 LC did HDR back in 2005..
The stupidity in this comment hurts my head.

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Have fun paying $1200 for a console if you seriously expected that
When will people understand this?

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While I agree, what is quite galling is the following :-

  • Sony created Blu-ray.
  • Sony licensed this technology to Microsoft, among others.
  • Microsoft use a UHD Blu-ray drive in their Xbox One S mid-cycle console refresh.
  • The original PS4 doesn't use a UHD Blu-ray drive.
  • The mid-cycle refresh PS4 Pro also doesn't use a UHD Blu-ray drive.

So we're in an interesting position where the creator of the format's flagship consoles don't have UHD Blu-ray drives but it's chief competitor's console does. This is just all kinds of dumb and backwards. So Sony are left with an updated console that as a Blu-ray player is less capable than Microsoft's one, that will also be less powerful than the next version of that console when it comes out within the next 6-8 months, that can't do true 4K gaming and is basically just a glorified conduit for their niche PSVR technology, which (and I'd love to be proved wrong) is likely to be about as popular as Nintendo's Virtual Boy.
Xbox S also isint even as powerful as the original PS4 so make your choice whats more important? power or movies? It's obvious Sony doesn't see 4k bluerays as a selling point. The Scorpio will be $700 and fail miserably, by that time Sony will announce a PS5 anyway.

BTW neither console can do 4k gaming. That's why 4k is a complete gimmick right now.
 

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The stupidity in this comment hurts my head.
I don't understand where you're coming from, he's given a very good point. Just because you disagree doesn't make it stupid...
When will people understand this?
What is there to understand? You want a higher resolution, you need to pay for a GPU capable of outputting that resolution at a stable framerate
 

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The stupidity in this comment hurts my head.

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When will people understand this?
You probably misunderstood my point. I wasn't expecting the $599 system to do it, but if they were gonna make a new model, I actually EXPECTED them to push something fucking real that can actually do something other than play 24 fps games in 1080p.
 

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I don't understand where you're coming from, he's given a very good point. Just because you disagree doesn't make it stupid...

What is there to understand? You want a higher resolution, you need to pay for a GPU capable of outputting that resolution at a stable framerate
He compares high end gaming pc's to fucking consoles that's what hurts my head. If consoles ever competed with PC's they would be over $1000 and NO ONE except HARDCORE gamers would buy them. Which is why the Scorpio will fail.
 
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