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[POLL] U.S. Presidential Election 2016

Whom will/would you vote for?

  • Laurence Kotlikoff (Independent)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Tom Hoefling (America's Party)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Mike Maturen (American Solidarity Party)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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Clydefrosch

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Still, it's a pretty shrill thing to say on ether side that they should have just voted for Donald or Hillary.
that may very well be so, but reality has a way of not giving a crap is something is shrill or not. because that was their only choice.

under the rules of your own political system, third parties have no actual standing in elections. they might have had a tiny chance in this one, if all of those that wanted neither candidate actually had agreed on a single other third party candidate ti vote. but they didn't and they couldn't, because of course, those people all have much much more diverse interestes than just 'neither donald nor hillary'.
the rational conclusion is thus, third parties can't ever win. meaning you have to take a step back, assess the situation and vote for whatever comes closer to what you really want. in your own and everybody elses best interest.

which is apparently a problem for voters (yes, all over the world, but its much more apparent in two party systems) in general, since almost all of them seem to vote as if republicans and democrats where a sports team that you support through thick and thin. which they aren't. god knows how the last 50 years of american politics would have looked like if people actually voted purely by comparing party/candidate program to their own self interests (which countless pools and studies have show, they don't. they think they do, but they don't because they barely spend any time actually informing themselves. no, watching three debates and some youtube snippets of a speech is not informing).
we'd definitely wouldn't have come to this election, because at least then, people wouldn't have constantly felt disappointment when their candidate, surprisingly, didn't act in their self interest.
on the other hand, we probably wouldn't have gotten Sanders either. Though it doesn't exactly matter, since now, none of his thoughts and ideas will have any chance to find their way into politics. not for the next four years at least.

or somehow manage to change your system to a multi-party one. where if a party gets 10% of the votes, they get 10% of the seats in whatever political institution. meaning that, in some cases, to rule, the republicans would have to forge a coalition with one of those 10%ers, giving them the chance to bring in some of their fresh ideas. in such a system, a third party vote wouldn't be wasted.

I have to admit Trump will not be popular with many people, but he is no Hitler. He will do things his way and that may be change America needs.
i mean, torture, death penalty, people with disabilities, minorities, lack of actual political background... but I'm sure, any global crisis he causes, he'll cause mainly by accident.
well, if the republican party manages to get the senate and house of representatives (those are the two, right?), he might just leave the kind of political legacy behind that will be part of all the history books one day.
 
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Republicans have all majority power now (president, house, senate, and supreme court) I think they can make peace

also podesta just told everyone at hillarys hq to go home, hillary doesnt seem she is going to do her concession speech tonight
 
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Has there ever been a presidential battle where neither candidate got the majority popular vote? As in at least 51%?
 

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